GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #3

[newone]

From the same link:
"But Nowsch's attorneys say they're investigating claims from witnesses that Meyers and Nowsch dealt prescription pills, and the shooting could have stemmed from a drug deal gone wrong."

So she dealt prescription pills too is the word on the street? Do I have that right?

Read the comments too... The lying family is overshadowing this case by a lot!

I must need more coffee or something.....can't find comments for this - (help me w/link please for just comments thx)

 

[Miss Muffet]

Formally, that happens at some point during the court proceedings. I'm not sure exactly when. There will be some proceeding in which the judge asks "How do you plead?" or some words to that effect.

But his client doesn't have to claim anything in particular at this point in time. Until that plea is formally entered in court, the lawyers can consider many different types of defenses, depending on what (if anything) their client says, and what other witnesses say, and what physical evidence the police have.

That happens at arraignment The plead is guilty or not guilty. At that point he doesn't need to say "by reasons of insanity" or "self defense." Arraignment happens too early in a case for a defense lawyer to have a trial strategy.

 

[Hiandmighty]

There are facebook comments right below the article. I don't know if there is a link for it.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It's possible that the "Meyers and Nowsch dealt prescription drugs" refers to one-way transactions: Nowsch sells, TM buys. IMO, that phrasing doesn't necessarily mean that TM also sold. Although it could mean that. If you have an expensive prescription drug habit, what better way to pay for it than by becoming a dealer yourself?

Some of the comments on that article are pretty vicious. RM has dug himself and his family into a very deep hole with all of the lies and omissions. And instead of finally getting smart and closing his mouth, he continues to talk. It seems as if he's trying to find the perfect combination of "facts" that will keep his family's reputation clean, maintain the innocence of his children, and paint EN as the bad guy and his family as the innocent victims. But it's already too late for that, and the more he talks the worse he and his family look.

Exactly right. Prescription habits are expensive and becoming a dealer eliminates that problem. But I agree that sentence can be read either way.

And BM needs to realize that the defense is conducting their own investigation and they are going to find out everything they can about TM and it will be presented in court.

 

[sonjay]

That happens at arraignment The plead is guilty or not guilty. At that point he doesn't need to say "by reasons of insanity" or "self defense." Arraignment happens too early in a case for a defense lawyer to have a trial strategy.

Thanks for the clarification. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That plea determines whether a trial will even be held, because "guilty" would mean no trial is needed.

I think (and I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong), an affirmative defense -- generally meaning self-defense or insanity -- I think those kinds of defenses do at some point require some sort of official notification by the defense to the state. Because those types of defenses mean that the state doesn't have to prove the defendant "did it" -- they mean that the state has to prove the defendant wasn't insane or wasn't committing self-defense.

Cases where the defendant's defense is "I did it but I was insane" and "I did it, but it was self-defense" are prosecuted and defended differently from "I didn't do it."

 

[Miss Muffet]

Where do we see drive bys? Areas that are controlled by drug and gang violence.

Yep! And the intended targets of drive by shooters are people involved with drugs and in conflict with the shooters.

 

[Gin]

Exactly right. Prescription habits are expensive and becoming a dealer eliminates that problem. But I agree that sentence can be read either way.

And BM needs to realize that the defense is conducting their own investigation and they are going to find out everything they can about TM and it will be presented in court.

JMO--Whatever the defense finds will be added to discovery. There will be lots of bits and pieces to add up, make sense of. The DA's team will be explaining all this to the family. I don't think they are going to like the fact that the situation is going to examined with a fine tooth comb from many, many different angles.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I give up.

No! Don't give up! We need you! We need everyone here. Each of us pick up on something the rest of us might have missed. Just today someone caught the son wearing a t-shirt for a drug cleansing product. I wouldn't have caught that if someone else didn't notice that! LOL

 

[sonjay]

Exactly right. Prescription habits are expensive and becoming a dealer eliminates that problem. But I agree that sentence can be read either way.

And BM needs to realize that the defense is conducting their own investigation and they are going to find out everything they can about TM and it will be presented in court.

Assuming this case goes to trial, I imagine there will be quite a bit of fighting about how much of TM's background will be admissible. There's a fine line -- and sometimes a very gray area -- between "attacking the victim" and introducing evidence that shows the victim's own contributions to their victimhood. I would guess the defense will find out a lot about TM that they ultimately won't be allowed to introduce as evidence.

 

[newone]

Assuming this case goes to trial, I imagine there will be quite a bit of fighting about how much of TM's background will be admissible. There's a fine line -- and sometimes a very gray area -- between "attacking the victim" and introducing evidence that shows the victim's own contributions to their victimhood. I would guess the defense will find out a lot about TM that they ultimately won't be allowed to introduce as evidence.

that's what those pre-trial conferences are about........will be interesting.....

 

[Miss Muffet]

has anyone figured out WHY there would be bullet holes in Driver's Side -- that would indicate to me that the shots were fired from driveway as vehicle was entering cul de sac--not leaving...MOO

Which validates Brandon shooting first. If the Meyerses want to insist that Brandon didn't shoot first, then they need to accept that the driver would have to be the shooter instead of EM. They can't have it both ways if evidence doesn't add up. LOL It's not a coincidence that the first shots heard were three. And the remaining shots weren't fired until after a pause in gunfire and a squeal of tires.

 

[Gin]

Assuming this case goes to trial, I imagine there will be quite a bit of fighting about how much of TM's background will be admissible. There's a fine line -- and sometimes a very gray area -- between "attacking the victim" and introducing evidence that shows the victim's own contributions to their victimhood. I would guess the defense will find out a lot about TM that they ultimately won't be allowed to introduce as evidence.

JMO-I think if this case centers on drug deals, it will be nearly impossible to keep that out and portray her as, say, a park do gooder.

Also, I wonder exactly how long this relationship has been going on. I think it's been since the suspect was a minor. If there were drug deals while he was still legally a child...doesn't look good at all. Middle aged adult (s) contributing to the delinquency, etc.
And just for the record, the suspect certainly doesn't sport a halo, I get that.

 

[jjenny]

Minors who break laws are charged as adults day in and day out. As young as 13.
And the suspect is legally an adult now, so that point is moot.

 

[jjenny]

Which validates Brandon shooting first. If the Meyerses want to insist that Brandon didn't shoot first, then they need to accept that the driver would have to be the shooter instead of EM. They can't have it both ways if evidence doesn't add up. LOL It's not a coincidence that the first shots heard were three. And the remaining shots weren't fired until after a pause in gunfire and a squeal of tires.

Per what suspect told his friends, he didn't even notice anybody shooting at him. But keep on spinning.

 

[Miss Muffet]

In the meantime, the Claus brothers are digging into Nowsch's past, revealing he suffered a skull fracture as a baby that at one point resulted in a felony child abuse charge for his father. It could have legal implications if the DA does pursue this as a death penalty case.

http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Defense-investigating-drug-claims-in-Tammy-Meyers-death-293978251.html

That's so sad! Someone else in this threat commented that his small size looked like the result of being malnourished throughout his childhood. Now that we know he was abused as a baby, it's very possible he endured a lifetime of abuse.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Forgot the quote-- see below.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Per what suspect told his friends, he didn't even notice anybody shooting at him. But keep on spinning.

Unless the friends are informants, your point doesn't fly.

 

[jjenny]

Unless the friends are informants, your argument doesn't fly.

They informed the police (it's in a police report) so I have no clue what you mean by that. Do they need an official badge?

 

[jjenny]

That's so sad! Someone else in this threat commented that his small size looked like the result of being malnourished throughout his childhood. Now that we know he was abused as a baby, it's very possible he endured a lifetime of abuse.

Maybe he can use that "abuse" excuse to avoid the death penalty. By the way I am pretty sure they are underestimating his height. He looks to be higher than 5' 3''.

 

[Gin]

Minors who break laws are charged as adults day in and day out. As young as 13.
And the suspect is legally an adult now, so that point is moot.

JMO--I don't believe the point is moot, but we can agree to disagree. AFAIK, The suspect did have a relationship with this family while still a minor. The details of that relationship, even a couple of years ago, may have significant relevance.