GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #3

[jjenny]

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Police affidavit doesn't say the story changed.

 

[jjenny]

Because I read the affidavit. I know what the police wrote in it.



Please go re-read what I wrote above. I detailed how it was revised.

Did you miss the reporting in the early days of this case? The first few days after the shooting? The original Meyers version of what happened never had Brandon in the car. He was home sleeping, and came out of the house with his gun to return fire at the silver car as it sped away.

Who was the one telling that story? Wasn't it the father? He was not even there.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Do you think that LE would put what would essentially be Brandon lying in the warrant when they would have had to have seen surveillance video of of the green car returning to the home and going back?

Brandon has lied so many times, there's no way the police can be certain of anything. I'm not talking about the father's stories. Brandon himself has lied many times. The warrant isn't the be all and end all. I know you like to view the warrant as fact, but innocent people can be arrested with a warrant. That's why we have a court system; otherwise, police would be judge, jury and executioners.

 

[time]

BBM. I myself found, after reading the arrest warrant affidavit several times, that I'm more suspicious about the sequence of events. IMO, EN's friends accounts and the son's and daughter's accounts differ in several crucial areas that convince me that the incident could not have unfolded the way the victim's family members described it.

I haven't seen anyone claim or imply that TM deserved to be gunned down -- not for any reason whatsoever.

Under the scenario that I think is more likely, TM would be even more of an innocent victim than she would be in the story claimed by the Meyerses. I don't think she went home and told her son to arm up and go hunting for EN. I don't think she was even in the car that evening, for any of incident.

I honestly am having trouble with the son's statements that mom wanted him to go out with a gun and he wanted to call 911. Not to mention the rest of what exactly happened. I'm glad to see some of you are keeping track of the inconsistencies and questioning.

 

[SStarr33]

Brandon has lied so many times, there's no way the police can be certain of anything. I'm not talking about the father's stories. Brandon himself has lied many times. The warrant isn't the be all and end all. I know you like to view the warrant as fact, but innocent people can be arrested with a warrant. That's why we have a court system; otherwise, police would be judge, jury and executioners.

Sonjay stated he/she feels they never came back to the house. Brandon can lie about that all he wants, but if it is on video, the lie will not stand and, yes, the police can be certain about that.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think many of us can agree that there is a dearth of facts regarding this case. My concern is that when we're discussing facts, rumors get thrown into the mix and discussed as if they are facts, when they're not.

Any solid theory or solid scenario must be based on verified facts, otherwise it's nothing more than baseless conjecture and rumor-mongering.

'Somebody-said-that-somebody-said-they-heard-from-someone-else' is not a reliable foundation upon which to base a solid scenario.

Even Conrad Claus, when asked by a reporter in a recent interview about rumors that were circulating, told the reporter that he wants to investigate those rumors to determine if they have any foundation in fact. He refused to comment on the rumors. He refused to take those rumors and run with them.

Why? Because they might not pan out as factual or truthful and he wants the truth - not egg on his face.

He's not disregarding the rumors. He is investigating them. Just as some of us want to investigate them. We just have more limited resources. I guarantee he is discussing them with his team. Just like some of us want to discuss them here with this websleuth's team. When LE is investigating and lawyers are creating defenses, they BRAINSTORM with each other to determine what scenarios fit the facts and what things need to be further investigated.

 

[sorrell skye]

Who was the one telling that story? Wasn't it the father? He was not even there.

I think many of the so-called 'discrepancies' can be traced back to RM. As you stated - he wasn't there. Anything he has told the media should be taken with a mountain of salt, because he's been relaying 2nd-hand info of a tragic incident involving his wife that occurred when he was hundreds of miles away.

I don't have any links bookmarked of any media videos of BM speaking. If anyone does, and if those videos contain footage of BM reporting seemingly contradictory info to the statements in the arrest affidavit, can you please post the links?

It would be very helpful for me, personally, as well as for the discussion in general. I didn't follow this case from the beginning, so I didn't see the early videos. If BM is captured on video making contradictory claims, or if the daughter is captured on video making contradictory claims, I think it would be useful for the discussion of this case.

For the record, I don't necessarily trust written media reports, since reporters can hear things incorrectly or may unintentionally misinterpret something they hear through their own bias filter (as we learned earlier today regarding media reports about the court hearing related to the GSR test). I want to hear it directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

TIA

 

[SStarr33]

He's not disregarding the rumors. He is investigating them. Just as some of us want to investigate them. We just have more limited resources. I guarantee he is discussing them with his team. Just like some of us want to discuss them here with this websleuth's team. When LE is investigating and lawyers are creating defenses, they BRAINSTORM with each other to determine what scenarios fit the facts and what things need to be further investigated.

Well, we are not allowed to discuss people here who are not official POIs. I've gotten TO'd more times than I can count for overstepping those TOS.

It is what it is.

 

[Miss Muffet]

But that wasn't my question. Do you think that LE would put easily provable lies in a warrant?

Remember the wording the captain used when talking about the comprehensive report? He said they needed time to put together something that makes sense. I specifically remember "makes sense." With all the lies they were told by the Meyerses, LE was probably equally challenged when writing the arrest warrant. It's not perfect because this case isn't perfect.

I'll bet LE isn't the least bit concerned about the discrepancy of the statement and whatever video there is of the car because they view all that irrelevant to what happened in front of the house. They're focus is on what happened in front of that house, when TM was shot.

Motive is irrelevant to them. That's why they're not interested in the drug aspect of the case. They're not even very interested in the road rage scenario they presented in the warrant. BECAUSE they believe the only important evidence is what happened in front of the house. They think a disproven fact about what happened away from the Meyers' house isn't doing to disprove what happened in front of the Meyers' house.

They only have what they can work with---a bunch of lies they needed to sift through. They picked the lies that matched the other evidence as best as they could. If they waited for it to make sense and be perfect, an arrest warrant would have never been written and nobody would have been arrested. That's how screwed up the testimony has been from the Meyerses. LE did the best they could with what the Meyers family members told them.

 

[sorrell skye]

Brandon has lied so many times, there's no way the police can be certain of anything. I'm not talking about the father's stories. Brandon himself has lied many times. The warrant isn't the be all and end all. I know you like to view the warrant as fact, but innocent people can be arrested with a warrant. That's why we have a court system; otherwise, police would be judge, jury and executioners.

BBM

I've seen this claim repeated in these threads many times.

Can you provide links to video footage of BM lying? I would be genuinely interested in viewing any video footage of BM allegedly lying, because if it's true that he lied (and it's captured on video), then I'll re-examine my position.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Police affidavit doesn't say the story changed.

That would be a silly thing for police to include in a Criminal Complaint/Declaration of Warrant/Summons. These documents are not intended to include every piece of evidence. If so, there would be no need for discovery before a trial because the defense would have access to everything right there in the warrant.

 

[SStarr33]

Remember the wording the captain used when talking about the comprehensive report? He said they needed time to put together something that makes sense. I specifically remember "makes sense." With all the lies they were told by the Meyerses, LE was probably equally challenged when writing the arrest warrant. It's not perfect because this case isn't perfect.

I'll bet LE isn't the least bit concerned about the discrepancy of the statement and whatever video there is of the car because they view all that irrelevant to what happened in front of the house. They're focus is on what happened in front of that house, when TM was shot.

Motive is irrelevant to them. That's why they're not interested in the drug aspect of the case. They're not even very interested in the road rage scenario they presented in the warrant. BECAUSE they believe the only important evidence is what happened in front of the house. They think a disproven fact about what happened away from the Meyers' house isn't doing to disprove what happened in front of the Meyers' house.

They only have what they can work with---a bunch of lies they needed to sift through. They picked the lies that matched the other evidence as best as they could. If they waited for it to make sense and be perfect, an arrest warrant would have never been written and nobody would have been arrested. That's how screwed up the testimony has been from the Meyerses. LE did the best they could with what the Meyers family members told them.

This is not what we were talking about.

 

[sorrell skye]

That would be a silly thing for police to include in a Criminal Complaint/Declaration of Warrant/Summons. These documents are not intended to include every piece of evidence. If so, there would be no need for discovery before a trial because the defense would have access to everything right there in the warrant.

I would think that if a witness in a murder investigation had lied, investigators would be very interested in following up on that, to determine if the witness had been truthful in their statements to investigators.

These LV Metro homicide detectives have been around the block more than a few times. I trust that they know how to conduct a homicide investigation and that they know to follow-up if they suspect a witness may have been deceptive.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Sonjay stated he/she feels they never came back to the house. Brandon can lie about that all he wants, but if it is on video, the lie will not stand and, yes, the police can be certain about that.

I don't think one video camera can prove or disprove who was in the car and where the cars went after they passed the camera. There could have been various times one car eluded the other briefly, only to be found on another street out of the camera's site.

 

[SStarr33]

I don't think one video camera can prove or disprove who was in the car and where the cars went after they passed the camera. There could have been various times one car eluded the other briefly, only to be found on another street out of the camera's site.

Again, that was not the question.

 

[sonjay]

I would think that if a witness in a murder investigation had lied, investigators would be very interested in following up on that, to determine if the witness had been truthful in their statements to investigators.

These LV Metro homicide detectives have been around the block more than a few times. I trust that they know how to conduct a homicide investigation and that they know to follow-up if they suspect a witness may have been deceptive.

BBM. Do you have any reason to believe that they're not following up on deceptive witnesses in this case?

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think many of the so-called 'discrepancies' can be traced back to RM. As you stated - he wasn't there.

Some of the discrepancies came right out of Brandon's mouth. I posted video a while back of Brandon claiming he promised LE to keep quiet about EN because they said it would hinder their investigation. Meanwhile, they never told LE about EN. We can debate what the captain meant when he said it was accurate that they didn't learn about the Meyerses knowing EN OR we can acknowledge that LE does not state anywhere in the warrant that Brandon or his sister named EN. Not anywhere in the warrant does it say that. If Brandon had told them and they asked him to be quiet, it would include in the warrant that Brandon identified EN as the shooter. It doesn't. So, there is an example of just one lie Brandon told that's caught on video, and it's a pretty big lie IMO.

 

[sorrell skye]

Remember the wording the captain used when talking about the comprehensive report? He said they needed time to put together something that makes sense. I specifically remember "makes sense." With all the lies they were told by the Meyerses, LE was probably equally challenged when writing the arrest warrant. It's not perfect because this case isn't perfect.

I'll bet LE isn't the least bit concerned about the discrepancy of the statement and whatever video there is of the car because they view all that irrelevant to what happened in front of the house. They're focus is on what happened in front of that house, when TM was shot.

Motive is irrelevant to them. That's why they're not interested in the drug aspect of the case. They're not even very interested in the road rage scenario they presented in the warrant. BECAUSE they believe the only important evidence is what happened in front of the house. They think a disproven fact about what happened away from the Meyers' house isn't doing to disprove what happened in front of the Meyers' house.

They only have what they can work with---a bunch of lies they needed to sift through. They picked the lies that matched the other evidence as best as they could. If they waited for it to make sense and be perfect, an arrest warrant would have never been written and nobody would have been arrested. That's how screwed up the testimony has been from the Meyerses. LE did the best they could with what the Meyers family members told them.

BBM

They [LE] picked the lies that matched the other evidence as best as they could...

I strongly disagree.

I believe LE based their arrest warrant on the evidence - not on alleged lies.

 

[sonjay]

BBM

They [LE] picked the lies that matched the other evidence as best as they could...

I strongly disagree.

I believe LE based their arrest warrant on the evidence - not on alleged lies.

Well, the warrant cites BM & KM describing two separate incidents, separated by the trip home to send KM inside and get BM and his gun.

The warrant also cites EN's two friends describing one single incident.

Both versions can't be true, yet both versions were in the warrant.

So at this point, I guess we're all free to pick whichever version we choose to believe.

I, myself, am picking the version that does not paint TM as some sort of vigilante who went home to get her armed son to out with her to hunt down EN.

 

[Miss Muffet]

BBM

I've seen this claim repeated in these threads many times.

Can you provide links to video footage of BM lying? I would be genuinely interested in viewing any video footage of BM allegedly lying, because if it's true that he lied (and it's captured on video), then I'll re-examine my position.

I have provided video of it previously. It's in one of these threads for you to find if you want to listen to it.