GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #4

[sonjay]

I StreetViewed the scenery until it matched both the house with the CCTV and the house on the other side. The house is right by the intersection of Cherry River and Carmel Peak. You'll see the house with the CCTV camera has a single tree circled by three layers of bricks in a light gravel area on one side of the property and light and dark gravel on the other side while across the street is a house with multiple palm trees of various sizes and other trees.

Thanks. Yep, that's the one I found.

Between the darkness and distorted wide-angle view from the camera, I wasn't sure if that was the right place.

 

[Miss Muffet]

But if we throw out the driving lesson/road rage story as a cover story for the TM & BM hunting for EN part, then the whole thing comes together and makes sense.

I'm not throwing out a huge chunk of the warrant simply because doing so makes everything else come together. There are many scenarios we could create that would make sense if we just threw out huge portions of the warrant.

You can throw out whatever you want, whenever you want, of course. For now, I'm looking for solid reasons to throw something out.

Perhaps as an exercise we could look evidence for taking stuff out instead of looking for evidence to keep stuff in. Just for the fun of it. Who knows, it might reveal something none of us expect.

 

[sonjay]

I was going to do an edit to my last post, but given what I've found, I thought I'd do a new post instead. The CCTV footage was taken elsewhere than has been described. The CCTV camera does not show - nor can it show since it is physically impossible - the Audi driving along Carmel Peak past Mt Shasta as RM stated in my previous post, but instead what it shows is that at 11:22 PM the Audi was driving EAST on Cherry River and turning on Carmel Peak. BM's description of events states it was driving WEST. If this is the case, it would lean toward this being a single event, though if that's the case I'm still trying to make sense of where everyone had been going spatially leading up to the fatal shooting.

Alternative scenarios with this new info that is that that the CCTV time was an hour off, so the car in the picture drove by at 10:22 mean a couple things. This would mean the verbal altercation happened around 10:15 and that something like an hour elapsed from the first event to the fatal shooting or that something else is off. Also this could mean that the car pictured has nothing to do with the case.

Actually, BM's description of events (in the arrest affidavit) doesn't have the silver car driving on Cherry River at all. Nor does KM's description.

 

[sonjay]

I'm not throwing out a huge chunk of the warrant simply because doing so makes everything else come together. There are many scenarios we could create that would make sense if we just threw out huge portions of the warrant.

You can throw out whatever you want, whenever you want, of course. For now, I'm looking for solid reasons to throw something out.

Perhaps as an exercise we could look evidence for taking stuff out instead of looking for evidence to keep stuff in. Just for the fun of it. Who knows, it might reveal something none of us expect.

Believe me, I've been looking for any evidence at all that any driving lesson or road rage happened. I have come up empty-handed.

When something makes no sense, and there's no evidence at all that it happened, then it's not implausible to suggest that it never happened.

If you -- or anyone -- can manage to find any evidence at all that driving lessons or road rage happened that night, I will quite willingly put driving lessons and road rage back into my theory.

 

[Miss Muffet]

If this is our Audi, this is when it was heading to the M's house right before TM was shot. I'm going to compare this to the warrant tomorrow.

That is a person standing in the driveway. The gunfire from the first scene might have brought him outside. If he's only outside putting garbage on the curb, he may have gone back into the house before the shooting happened. I'm not sure what he could have seen or heard. Seeing him indicates to me that there are probably many eye and ear witnesses throughout the entire neighborhood. We just haven't heard from them or read reports LE talked to them. I'm sure they did. That's how they got this video after all.

 

[newone]

EN wasn't allowed to go home that night as his mom had temporarily banned him. Me too on where/when EN got picked up as I don't understand why he'd go to/return the area that he considered dangerous. If EN was picked up elsewhere, I don't see why EN/driver would go along Ducharme by the school unless the Audi driver wanted to see what EN was talking about.

I didn't know that.....was that in MSM?

 

[Miss Muffet]

Believe me, I've been looking for any evidence at all that any driving lesson or road rage happened. I have come up empty-handed.

When something makes no sense, and there's no evidence at all that it happened, then it's not implausible to suggest that it never happened.

If you -- or anyone -- can manage to find any evidence at all that driving lessons or road rage happened that night, I will quite willingly put driving lessons and road rage back into my theory.

That's fine. I threw all of my theories away and I'm starting over. I'm not trying to prove one way or another. I'll let you know if I find anything at all about anything either way, like I have been all along.

Right now, we're just trying to determine if we can find evidence that there was one driving event or two different driving events. I don't care which one we determine. I'll go from wherever that leads us. Since this picture is right before the cars go to the last shooting, it's likely we weren't able to determine one way or another, with this picture at least. There may be other evidence though. Time will tell. And we have time.

 

[sonjay]

If this is our Audi, this is when it was heading to the M's house right before TM was shot. I'm going to compare this to the warrant tomorrow.

Based on where both Spanish & I think the camera is located, then that would be a very roundabout route for the Audi to take from the 1st shooting scene to the Meyers cul de sac.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I didn't know that.....was that in MSM?

I haven't heard that he was banned either. In the warrant, the female witness said he asked to stay at their house because he couldn't go home. I assumed he felt he couldn't go home because he had just been involved in a shooting.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Something happened where, exactly? Do we have any confirmation from police that there are any skid marks at whatever location RM is talking about? Just because RM says there are skid marks, it doesn't mean there are skid marks. RM has said a lot of things.
Even if there are skid marks, they might not be related to the car chase.
Even if they are related to the car chase, they might be part of the car chase that we know occurred, the one with TM & BM in the car chasing EN.
Skid marks are not evidence of driving lessons or of road rage.

I'm not saying road raging or driving lessons happened, just something happened.

First, surveillance video of a silver car driving down a street is not, in any way, shape or form, evidence of road rage or driving lessons.
Second I have still seen no information whatsoever on the location of that surveillance video, which street it's showing, or which way it shows the silver car traveling.

Given how we both targeted a specific house on Cherry, we know what direction the Audi was driving at 10:22 or 11:22, which means the Audi had to have been going on Cimarron to get to Cherry in that direction and the Meyers knew the Audi had been in Cimarron.

The story without the driving lessons and road rage form a cohesive whole.
The story with the driving lessons and the road rage raises many, many questions that don't appear to have any answers.

Both scenarios raise questions as your comments below indicate. It is for instance coming from EN rather than the Meyers that EN was afraid of the Buick amongst other things that EN said/did that are weird that you point out below.

These questions just go on and on on if we try to wrap our heads around the road rage story. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit. It requires waaaaaaay too many coincidences and waaaaaay too much irrational behavior.
But if we throw out the driving lesson/road rage story as a cover story for the TM & BM hunting for EN part, then the whole thing comes together and makes sense.

Engaging in a premeditated armed plot to kill/rob/maim a nearby neighbor is just the right amount of irrational behavior? Don't get me wrong as I'm not saying it didn't happen and I think some conspiracy of some kind is going on, just I wouldn't call it a Goldilocks theory with it being just right...and I've posted previously on here conspiracy theories about the case myself, so it's not like I have a problem with them.

 

[sonjay]

That's fine. I threw all of my theories away and I'm starting over. I'm not trying to prove one way or another. I'll let you know if I find anything at all about anything either way, like I have been all along.

Right now, we're just trying to determine if we can find evidence that there was one driving event or two different driving events. I don't care which one we determine. I'll go from wherever that leads us. Since this picture is right before the cars go to the last shooting, it's likely we weren't able to determine one way or another, with this picture at least. There may be other evidence though. Time will tell. And we have time.

That's exactly why I'm looking for -- evidence. There's plenty of evidence for the car trip that BM & EN described, but no evidence for the car trip that KM described. So far, not even a smidgen of evidence. I'll continue to keep keep my eyes peeled for any evidence.

I always watch for signs of bigfoot at the wildlife preserve where I walk my dogs. I haven't found any yet, but I never stop looking.

 

[newone]

I haven't heard that he was banned either. In the warrant, the female witness said he asked to stay at their house because he couldn't go home. I assumed he felt he couldn't go home because he had just been involved in a shooting.

I kind of felt that there was an ''element'' of danger in his returning versus his mom ''banning him'' -- MOO

 

[newone]

I'm still ''uncomfortable'' with the video of the ''silver'' car -- it just seems to be too generic. I keep seeing a spotlight from driver's side -- does anyone else see that?

Seems to me it could have been an innocent pizza delivery car for all I know..MOO

 

[sonjay]

Engaging in a premeditated armed plot to kill/rob/maim a nearby neighbor is just the right amount of irrational behavior? Don't get me wrong as I'm not saying it didn't happen and I think some conspiracy of some kind is going on, just I wouldn't call it a Goldilocks theory with it being just right...and I've posted previously on here conspiracy theories about the case myself, so it's not like I have a problem with them.

Sure. People engage in premeditated armed plots to kill & rob all the time. Especially if it sprang from a drug deal gone bad ...... It's criminal, and most of us wouldn't do it, but from the POV of the criminal, it's perfectly rational. After all, when you're an illegal drug dealer, you can't exactly go to LE or the legal system to settle your bad debts.

But a 44-year-old mother determined to go, by herself if necessary, to hunt down a car full of enraged young men?

That same mother thinking that she can find that car of enraged young men, several minutes after she escaped from them?

A mother and daughter innocently having a driving lesson, set upon by a road rager, who don't call the police?

A mother worried that road ragers know where she lives, so to keep her children safe she leaves her teenage daughter at home alone?

Those things are not rational.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Actually, BM's description of events (in the arrest affidavit) doesn't have the silver car driving on Cherry River at all. Nor does KM's description.

What made me think that is that it is geographically impossible to get on Carmel Peak without first getting on Cherry River: "Brandon said as he was trying to get his mother out of the car he saw headlights coming north on Carmel Peak...," however, I might have read this wrong as it might mean it was coming from the south going north instead of that the lights came from the north. That being said, if BM is saying the car was coming from the south, that raises questions, particularly in light of the CCTV camera. Also EN allegedly said that the driver followed - not searched for - the Buick, which would mean it took the same route along Cherry that the Buick did.

 

[sonjay]

I haven't heard that he was banned either. In the warrant, the female witness said he asked to stay at their house because he couldn't go home. I assumed he felt he couldn't go home because he had just been involved in a shooting.

Where exactly in the warrant does she say that? I can't find that in the warrant. I can only find that she left for work before EN left the apartment.

 

[newone]

What made me think that is that it is geographically impossible to get on Carmel Peak without first getting on Cherry River: "Brandon said as he was trying to get his mother out of the car he saw headlights coming north on Carmel Peak...," however, I might have read this wrong as it might mean it was coming from the south going north instead of that the lights came from the north. That being said, if BM is saying the car was coming from the south, that raises questions, particularly in light of the CCTV camera. Also EN allegedly said that the driver followed - not searched for - the Buick, which would mean it took the same route along Cherry that the Buick did.

their ((Myers)) street is a cul de sac.....there is only one way in and out ((IIRC))

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I keep seeing a spotlight from driver's side -- does anyone else see that?

Yes, I saw that bright light too.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

their ((Myers)) street is a cul de sac.....there is only one way in and out ((IIRC))

I know that. Read the quote again. BM is saying which direction the silver car from to get to the cul de sac, which the Carmel Peak is not a one-way street.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Where exactly in the warrant does she say that? I can't find that in the warrant. I can only find that she left for work before EN left the apartment.

It's on page 4 where Krisztian says that EN asked to go over to there since he couldn't go home.