GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[Miss Muffet]

Also, does brandon M have a beard? EN describes the person running to the house as having a beard.

Beards come and go. I figured he used to have one but shaved for the publicity he has been receiving. lol

 

[Hiandmighty]

According to zillow, (which could be wrong), their house is a 3/2 and 1310 sq ft. I bring this up because I'm back to trying to figure out who lives there (and for my curiosity, where in the house do they live?)

Bedroom #1: Tm and Bob

Bedroom #2: granny and km???

bedroom #3: brandon, junior and MM?

ETA: I agree BM was likely couch surfing. 1310 is small to have 2 baths. The bedrooms must be small.

 

[SStarr33]

I have to say, I believe EN's story about what happened.

I think TM went to the park to screw with EN.

Can't wait for him to take the stand to say it was self defense

 

[Miss Muffet]

so hes helping her out of the car, then shoves her BACK in car, CLOSES THE CAR DOOR, has a shootout, and she gets out of the car DURING the shootout???

Exactly!

Does the neighborhood have other cul de sacs?

Many! Many! Many!

 

[Hiandmighty]

Can't wait for him to take the stand to say it was self defense

If the ME is able to state and testify that a .45 bullet is the one that entered and exited her brain, then EN seems the only person who could have made that shot.

However, given the events preceding the headshot, and given which side tells the more likely scenario to the jury, I think it is possible EN could get a hung jury or the jury will sympathize with EN and he may get the charge with the least time.

Murder 1: never in a million years. MOO

 

[Miss Muffet]

so hes helping her out of the car, then shoves her BACK in car, CLOSES THE CAR DOOR, has a shootout, and she gets out of the car DURING the shootout???

Exactly!

Does the neighborhood have other cul de sacs?

Many! Many! Many!

 

[Hiandmighty]

i just saw an overhead from Zillow and yes, many many many cul de sacs and the roof lines of the houses all look the same.

I'm betting that EN had no idea he was shooting at the Meyers.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Duplicate

 

[Miss Muffet]

Well, the prosecution may have left that part out? If I remember right, Mogg said he wasn't going to go into everything EN told him. IIRC.

Left what part out? You mean about EN knowing the reason the Meyers were coming after him? I doubt it since he shared it was established he didn't now BM. This prior casual friendship he had with the M boys might have been before the M's bought the buick. Even if they owned it back then, it's possible he really didn't noticed it among the other vehicles parked in front of the house. And maybe TM always took the dog for a walk when she saw him at the park. Just thinking of how he wouldn't know the buick belonged to the M's. It is possible he didn't.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I personally think that the BIG lie is that they went out that night intending to do something to EN. Kill him? Scare him? Threaten him? I dunno. I don't think they intended to have a shoot out; when you don't expect your target to have a gun, you don't expect a shootout.

But they're the ones that went out that night with ill intent, IMO. EN clearly did not instigate this incident. IMO, MOO, JMO and all that jazz.

By BM's account the pulled up 10-15 feet away from the car right by a car that threatened their lives right in the area where scary-person-that-wasn't-EN was walking (from KM's account). I don't see how this wasn't going to end badly and it seemed like EN didn't want a fight. What I don't quite get is that EN said they drove by his house, though I think the Buick passengers would have had time to get substantially away from the car if they headed home directly and then scrambled given that they head a head start and supposedly took the direct route while the Audi was behind and took a longer route. They may have been doing what EN thought they were doing as it's not spelled out that the car was turned off rather than just put in park to get more people and guns. One explanation that I might have was that it was Tammy who had the disabled placard and she might have some mobility problems, but it was never stated in the testimony or any place else that I've read that she had any disabilities, but if that was the case it would make her alleged actions all the more inexplicable.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Left what part out? You mean about EN knowing the reason the Meyers were coming after him? I doubt it since he shared it was established he didn't now BM. This prior casual friendship he had with the M boys might have been before the M's bought the buick. Even if they owned it back then, it's possible he really didn't noticed it among the other vehicles parked in front of the house. And maybe TM always took the dog for a walk when she saw him at the park. Just thinking of how he wouldn't know the buick belonged to the M's. It is possible he didn't.

I agree. If EN ate at TM's house a night or two that doesn't mean it was a sit down family dinner (the house is small, maybe no dining room, or dining room repurposed?). Maybe Bob had the green buick and wasn't at home?

Any number of ways EN could have interacted with the Ms but didn't recognize the green car as theirs.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Is it possible EN was turned around and thought he was on some cul de sac, but not necessarily the one the Meyers lived on?

I'm speculating this neighborhood is a development with variations of the same types of houses. I'm guessing not many (if any) custom homes.

I think at night if you turned down the wrong street (or were in a high speed chase), maybe you wouldn't recognize a house you had been to before in the chaos of the chase and pursuit?

The neighborhood is filled with short little cul-de-sac streets in a symmetrical manner. There's three cul-de-sacs off of Carmel Peak. Mt. Shasta is the only one on its side of the road, but I could see someone getting confused. All of the streets and houses look alike, which is very strange for where I live but seems to be the norm for Vegas.

 

[SeeAlice]

Pssst!
You do not have to put your client on the stand to provide a jury with reasonable doubt that a homicide was done in self-defense. I'm sure most on here know of more than one case in which the defense argued a theory of self-defense, the defendant didn't testify and was found not guilty.

JMO

 

[Hiandmighty]

I think EN was unclear he had followed someone back to their house when he was shooting.

I think he knew/saw it was a dead end and given the guns already shown to each other, it was him or them. So he went in spraying bullets everywhere. It wasn't going to be him.

 

[Miss Muffet]

One explanation that I might have was that it was Tammy who had the disabled placard and she might have some mobility problems, but it was never stated in the testimony or any place else that I've read that she had any disabilities, but if that was the case it would make her alleged actions all the more inexplicable.

I imagined she could have slight difficulty getting out of the car simply because she was overweight in the midsection. She was not physically fit by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Then why would EN claim he didn't know the buick and who was in the buick?

It makes more sense that the M's were after the driver of the Audi based on the prior incident since it was established EN and BM didn't know each other.

This was a weird part of the testimony from the detective as it sounds like the Meyers didn't own the Buick or there's been a Meyers we haven't heard from (Susan?) that is apparently unimpeachable as to the condition of the car:

Q. So the best that you can assess visually,
not knowing the condition of the car before the event,
is it wasn't readily apparent to you that some sort of
contact between two vehicles had occurred?
A. I inquired as to the condition of the
vehicle prior to all this and I was able to account for
every scratch that was on the vehicle through the owner
of the vehicle. So at this point it does not appear
that the victim's vehicle was struck at any point.

 

[SeeAlice]

JMO - the tell is on page 106, line 18. http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf
That is who had the problem with EN and vice versa, IMO. (Possibly who EN thought was in that green car. Has son about the same age?)

 

[Miss Muffet]

Q. So the best that you can assess visually,
not knowing the condition of the car before the event,
is it wasn't readily apparent to you that some sort of
contact between two vehicles had occurred?
A. I inquired as to the condition of the
vehicle prior to all this and I was able to account for
every scratch that was on the vehicle through the owner
of the vehicle. So at this point it does not appear
that the victim's vehicle was struck at any point.

Good point! It is possible the buick is the grandmother's! The only other possible owner would be RM, and he would never admit the damage was done prior to that night.

 

[SStarr33]

So KK and Z both called the cops on Saturday and told them it was Erich. Has to be how Bob found out about it--one of them must have told another friend and word got around.

 

[Miss Muffet]

JMO - the tell is on page 106, line 18. http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf
That is who had the problem with EN and vice versa, IMO. (Possibly who EN thought was in that green car. Has son about the same age?)

Can you post it or give the gist of it? My pdf reader software isn't working on this laptop for some reason.