GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[sonjay]

Because the DA isn't very bright and didn't think this part through? That's all I've got.

He went out of his way to explain to the GJ that when BM said "Bent down. Knelt down" he meant "leaning back." Let's take a look:

Q. After you saw the flashes, what did your mother do as far as operating the car?
A. When the flashes started appearing she knelt down, same as I.
Q. I'm sorry, you did what?
A. Bent down. Knelt down.
Q. Bent down inside the car?
A. Yes.
Q. For the record, ladies and gentlemen, Brandon is describing leaning back in the car seat.
A. Leaning back.

This is very much a "huh? WTF?" point in the transcript for me.

 

[sonjay]

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I agree the jury will want a reasonable explanation for the M's not calling 911.

I think EN is lying about the car color. He has been strongly protecting the driver's identity. This is about the only thing I think he's lying about. I'm sure LE knows who the driver is since EN called him for a ride though. It would be interesting to know the make, model and color of the cars owned/driven by the people he called in that hour.

LOL. I predict the jury is going to be sorely disappointed, because there is no reasonable explanation.

 

[Hiandmighty]

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I agree the jury will want a reasonable explanation for the M's not calling 911.

I think EN is lying about the car color. He has been strongly protecting the driver's identity. This is about the only thing I think he's lying about. I'm sure LE knows who the driver is since EN called him for a ride though. It would be interesting to know the make, model and color of the cars owned/driven by the people he called in that hour.

Unless the driver had a disposable phone. Then he wouldn't be traceable.

The car is likely already chopped up in Mexico. Gone pecan.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm sure word got around quickly even if they didn't share direct friends.

My reading of KK it looks like she's in a different social circle from either EN or the Meyers. I believe she has a college degree and that she hangs around others in college and college graduates. I think she's like a younger version of EN's mom. She's actually going places while the Meyers and 'Alta Block' seem like they didn't graduate from high school and the younger ones were out making mischief due to boredom.

 

[Miss Muffet]

He went out of his way to explain to the GJ that when BM said "Bent down. Knelt down" he meant "leaning back." Let's take a look:

Q. After you saw the flashes, what did your mother do as far as operating the car?
A. When the flashes started appearing she knelt down, same as I.
Q. I'm sorry, you did what?
A. Bent down. Knelt down.
Q. Bent down inside the car?
A. Yes.
Q. For the record, ladies and gentlemen, Brandon is describing leaning back in the car seat.
A. Leaning back.

This is very much a "huh? WTF?" point in the transcript for me.

LMAO! I know! That's why I don't think he's very bright! For the record, Brandon was NOT describing leaning back. He was describing kneeling!

OMG! I think I know what the DA is trying to hide here! It's possible he's trying to impress upon the jury that BM was INSIDE the car. Kneeling means BM could have gotten out of the car. Maybe when the Audi stopped and they pulled up, Brandon got out his car to go after them on foot. When EN saw him getting out of the car, EN started shooting. Then BM knelt down outside the car until the gunfire ceased, jumped back in, and TM took off backwards. Remember, EN said that he was shocked the occupants of the buick didn't see he had a gun.

 

[Hiandmighty]

He went out of his way to explain to the GJ that when BM said "Bent down. Knelt down" he meant "leaning back." Let's take a look:

Q. After you saw the flashes, what did your mother do as far as operating the car?
A. When the flashes started appearing she knelt down, same as I.
Q. I'm sorry, you did what?
A. Bent down. Knelt down.
Q. Bent down inside the car?
A. Yes.
Q. For the record, ladies and gentlemen, Brandon is describing leaning back in the car seat.
A. Leaning back.

This is very much a "huh? WTF?" point in the transcript for me.

Truly truly truly a WTF moment.

 

[PaperDoll]

Is it possible EN was turned around and thought he was on some cul de sac, but not necessarily the one the Meyers lived on?

I'm speculating this neighborhood is a development with variations of the same types of houses. I'm guessing not many (if any) custom homes.

I think at night if you turned down the wrong street (or were in a high speed chase), maybe you wouldn't recognize a house you had been to before in the chaos of the chase and pursuit?

I would be very surprised if EN got turned around in his own neighborhood. In fact, and without going back to read the GJ Statement, I thought either EN or the driver said they knew a "short cut" to the street? I would have to go back and read it again to be sure :blushing:.

 

[Hiandmighty]

LMAO! I know! That's why I don't think he's very bright! For the record, Brandon was NOT describing leaning back.

OMG! I think I know what the DA is trying to hide here! It's possible he's trying to impress upon the jury that BM was INSIDE the car. Kneeling means BM could have gotten out of the car. Maybe when the Audi stopped and they pulled up, Brandon got out his car to go after them. Threaten them with the gun but have a physical altercation. Then EN started shooting. Then BM knelt down outside the car until the gunfire ceased, jumped back in, and TM took off backwards. Remember, EN said that he was shocked the occupants of the buick didn't see he had a gun.

Wow. Interesting. It could be. Yes, the DA seemed to indicate it would be impossible to kneel down in the car (but I would take that to mean crouch down in the space). The driver would have trouble crouching down in the space because of the steering wheel and pedals.

It could very well be that the DA is trying to place BM inside the car.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Because the DA isn't very bright and didn't think this part through? That's all I've got.

I also got that LE/DA didn't really want to know the answers. Like with the EN threats from 'Stan' they searched their police reports and couldn't find that EN had called the cops to report it and other than that couldn't figure out who it was. Reading it I just the impression that they didn't really want to figure out who EN thought was threatening him and they tried to downplay it as not being true by saying that EN never called the cops about it, which I thought was lame considering that the Meyers didn't call in the alleged death threat either. Stan Selig has already come out of the woodwork saying that EN had problems with his children, so I wonder if the cops ever bothered to talk to Stan about EN.

 

[Miss Muffet]

My reading of KK it looks like she's in a different social circle from either EN or the Meyers. I believe she has a college degree and that she hangs around others in college and college graduates. I think she's like a younger version of EN's mom. She's actually going places while the Meyers and 'Alta Block' seem like they didn't graduate from high school and the younger ones were out making mischief due to boredom.

Her boyfriend is EN's friend. He likely shares friends with EN or their friends share friends. And KK isn't all that and a bag of chips if she picked this boyfriend who hangs out with EN. Plenty of decent college educated girls end up trashy guys. It's notable her boyfriend wasn't chosen to testify at the Grand Jury. I suspected from the start they used KK only because she is a more presentable witness.

 

[SStarr33]

I've not been able to read every post, but these are interesting points to me that others may not have pointed out:

1. EN completely confessed to police which is why his attorneys are bringing up the pot smoking prior to arrest. Unless the defense comes up with a way to get the confession thrown out or that following someone to their home could be SD (LOL), he will take a plea if offered.

2. No way EN is going to tell KK the type of car and not the driver. I feel like the cops know who it is.

3. EN said the vehicle was cream color

4. As MM stated in an earlier video, it was a through and through gunshot to the head

ETA: KK said she was a "customer" of EN, lol.

 

[SStarr33]

I would be very surprised if EN got turned around in his own neighborhood. In fact, and without going back to read the GJ Statement, I thought either EN or the driver said they knew a "short cut" to the street? I would have to go back and read it again to be sure :blushing:.

I just finished reading it, and EN did say it was a short cut.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Can the grand jury testimony be used in court? Can EN's lawyer ask BM why he stated he kneeled down in his original testimony?

 

[Hiandmighty]

I agree EN will take a plea if offered. I don't know how the family will feel about that.

ETA: I feel sure the prosecution will offer one too given the unlike-ability of the Meyers and the missing pieces of their story.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Can the grand jury testimony be used in court? Can EN's lawyer ask BM why he stated he kneeled down in his original testimony?

I want to know why KM didn't list BM as a resident of the house, yet BM said he lived there.

Things like this are going to trip up the prosecution case.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I would be very surprised if EN got turned around in his own neighborhood. In fact, and without going back to read the GJ Statement, I thought either EN or the driver said they knew a "short cut" to the street? I would have to go back and read it again to be sure :blushing:.

But the neighborhood probably wasn't the driver's neighborhood. EN said he knew a short cut, but that doesn't mean the driver followed his instructions accurately.

OMG! I just realized. They were on Alta when EN said that he knew a shortcut. Per the warrant they went the way of Alta. So taking the short cut and making a left at the END of the street would have taken them to his house, but the Audi driver must have turned down Mt. Shasta.

None of this---even the explanation given in the GJ testimony---doesn't explain the Audi being seen going East on Cherry River in the video though. Hmm..... Unless the Audi driver missed the turn onto Carmel Peak for the short cut and they had to loop around as a result.

 

[PaperDoll]

i just saw an overhead from Zillow and yes, many many many cul de sacs and the roof lines of the houses all look the same.

I'm betting that EN had no idea he was shooting at the Meyers.

If EN didn't know he was shooting at the Meyers, then the Meyers, IMO wouldn't be out looking for him in the parking lot. This tells me there may have been a driving lesson after all. Why would the Meyers be in the parking lot when EN saw them the first time? If the Meyers were looking for EN, then I would think EN would know it was them driving. Make sense? I don't think many people in that neighborhood owns a older dark green Buick. EN and the Meyers do not live far from each other at all, they live very close...

 

[Hiandmighty]

But the neighborhood probably wasn't the driver's neighborhood. EN said he knew a short cut, but that doesn't mean the driver followed his instructions accurately.

Its questionable. Could go either way.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

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I agree the jury will want a reasonable explanation for the M's not calling 911.

I think EN is lying about the car color. He has been strongly protecting the driver's identity. This is about the only thing I think he's lying about. I'm sure LE knows who the driver is since EN called him for a ride though. It would be interesting to know the make, model and color of the cars owned/driven by the people he called in that hour.

I wonder if EN said he did a drug deal with one or more of the Meyers that night and the detective left that part of the hearsay confession. There hasn't been an explanation for why EN was at that park at night for so long, so there was probably some drug deal that you'd think LE/DA would want to bring up to paint EN even worse, but that they just left it at EN hanged at night in the park alone for a long time for no reason seems strange. I wonder if the detective intentionally kept it out about any drug deal with the Meyers because it would have undermined the Meyers claims of not really knowing EN.

 

[Hiandmighty]

If EN didn't know he was shooting at the Meyers, then the Meyers, IMO wouldn't be out looking for him in the parking lot. This tells me there may have been a driving lesson after all. Why would the Meyers be in the parking lot when EN saw them the first time? If the Meyers were looking for EN, then I would think EN would know it was them driving. Make sense? I don't think many people in that neighborhood owns a older dark green Buick. EN and the Meyers do not live far from each other at all, they live very close...

Right. I'd like to write out a scenario for each.