GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[jjenny]

The same person who said EN was selling drugs also said TM was buying drugs from him. Is that okay? Does she get a free pass on the drugs? Was she "not bothering anybody"?

She is dead. What does she need a pass for?

 

[sonjay]

Seeing how the mother of four allegedly went home to get armed and then chased another car, it drastically changes things. Originally the Meyers story was sympathetic to the point of getting national news where the original story left the whole thing out about the chase and instead just said they the car immediately went home and then the some came storming out with a weapon. When that turns out to be a lie, but a lie that hid aggressive acts it causes people to look at things differently. It's hard to give the Meyers the benefit of the doubt when they've been caught lying about how aggressive they were, so for instance it could be a lie where they could have been at the school for reasons other than driving lessons where they could have been trying to intimidate EN.

I continue to wonder how that night would have ended if EN hadn't had a gun. Or a friend to pick him up to help him flee.

 

[SStarr33]

Ask George Zimmerman and Zimmerman was only charged with M2.

EN was sitting on top of Brandon and beating the crap out of him? Link please.

 

[sonjay]

She is dead. What does she need a pass for?

Why is she dead? She was safe at home and could have stayed there.

She took her armed son and went out hunting for EN. If she had not done that, she would still be alive.

We don't know for sure exactly what she intended when she went out hunting for EN, but it's entirely possible that if she had been successful in her mission, that EN would be the dead one.

 

[sonjay]

EN was sitting on top of Brandon and beating the crap out of him? Link please.

No, EN was at the park not bothering anybody.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I continue to wonder how that night would have ended if EN hadn't had a gun. Or a friend to pick him up to help him flee.

I wonder the same thing. I also wonder how we would view events if EN had been the one killed even while he was armed. I really think this is a matter of who ended up dead. It could have easily gone the other way since both of them were shooting.

 

[SStarr33]

No, EN was at the park not bothering anybody.

As were the Meyers.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I meant to mention this before. That part of ENs confession could bolster KM's statement that there was only one person in the car.

Actually the opposite as EN would have had to have been in the car when this happened as to me anyway it sounds like the car is stopped elsewhere, like on the Cherry Creek side of the park. For it to have been an event that actually happened and it involving the same car what would have needed to happen is for the car to catch up to the Buick after EN got in and for EN to have been a passenger for all of that and then have the Buick return to the school. I do think there was some sort of verbal altercation with EN at the car, but EN seems to say that took place at the school nowhere near where KM said, so in one sense I think it is true while in another I think it's false and that it would have taken place after the Buick went home and returned rather than before.

 

[jjenny]

Why is she dead? She was safe at home and could have stayed there.

She took her armed son and went out hunting for EN. If she had not done that, she would still be alive.

We don't know for sure exactly what she intended when she went out hunting for EN, but it's entirely possible that if she had been successful in her mission, that EN would be the dead one.

I though she wasn't even at the car at any point of the evening? Or have you abandoned that argument?

 

[Miss Muffet]

It's time for me to take a break for real life now that the jays and esses are pulling everyone into circular arguments with one liners again.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

EN did not make that death threat--they will not try to go there. And premeditation can happen seconds before a murder

Yes, technically that is true, but the closer you try and cut it, the more likely you'll get an acquittal for M1 rather than going for an easier to prove M2. A theoretical M1 that may have happened in truth does not necessarily translate into an actual M1 after a jury trial, which I could only see M1 maybe if the Meyers had absolutely no credibility issues as witnesses to raise any sort of doubt.

 

[SStarr33]

I though she wasn't even at the car at any point of the evening? Or have you abandoned that argument?

Lots of LULZ in previous posts on this case--wish I had time to go back and read all of them. Reminds me of the GZ case.

 

[sonjay]

As were the Meyers.

Not true. The Meyerses were hunting for EN, and then chasing EN.

The very nicest interpretation I can put on their actions that night is that they were in fact actually out hunting for the road rager, and they thought EN was the road rager and chased him. The very nicest interpretation is that they chased the wrong guy because they thought he was someone else.

It's indisputable that they, in their car, approached him in his friend's car, and began chasing EN and his friend. Both BM and EN describe that. EN was sitting there not bothering anybody. The Meyerses came along and chased him.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

We don't know for sure exactly what she intended when she went out hunting for EN, but it's entirely possible that if she had been successful in her mission, that EN would be the dead one.

By BM's own account she pulled 10-15 feet behind the vehicle that allegedly made death threats to her - why??? The alleged death threat car then sped away at high speed (40 MPH per BM) and yet the car was still pursued - why??? Also why did they return to the same spot of the alleged scary person not EN who caused them end the driving lessons and go home?

 

[sonjay]

Lots of LULZ in previous posts on this case--wish I had time to go back and read all of them. Reminds me of the GZ case.

Yes. If the Meyers patriarch hadn't told so many lies about that night, there wouldn't have been nearly so much confusion about what his family were up to.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I wonder the same thing. I also wonder how we would view events if EN had been the one killed even while he was armed. I really think this is a matter of who ended up dead. It could have easily gone the other way since both of them were shooting.

Yes, since so many actions mirrored one another and it just as well could have gone the other way. I don't think the case would have received national attention, but it still would be a complicated case.

 

[SeeAlice]

I think it's possible there were two trips by the Meyers that night. I've never been adamant (I don't think) that there weren't two trips. I just don't believe for a minute that there were driving lessons or some random road rage guy. That story has never made any sense at all. Even in the first couple of days after the shooting, people were questioning KM's story. And especially since it's changed so much -- almost no details have remained consistent.

They were practicing parallel parking. They were learning to merge and change lanes. They were at the school the whole time, then no, they left the school and went driving in the area north of the school.

There was a minor accident. No, it was just a near-miss.

It was a white driver and two black dudes. No, it was two guys in the car. No, it was just the driver.

The car followed them home and shot at them and BM came running out of the house to return fire. With a shotgun. No, with a handgun. No, the silver car didn't follow them home, they escaped and went home to get BM and his gun.

Even her description of the route they took -- that wouldn't have been on their way home from the school. That would have been way out of their way. It doesn't make any sense.

There was no driving lesson that night, IMO.

I seriously doubt there were two different cars. I think one of them is either mistaken or lying about the tinted windows. My money's on KM being the mistaken or lying one, but I think it could go either way.

I should have snipped this but it has so much good things to think about.

Nevertheless, I am curious to know when Bob started the explanation that EN might not have recognized who was in the green car because "we had the windows tinted since..." (last summer maybe?)

How many 23 year old green Buick Park Avenues do they usually have driving around in that area? I don't think tinted windows AT NIGHT would make a whole lot of difference in recognizing whose car it was.

I tend to think there is a reason for every single thing he has told media. I won't claim to know what it is, but it's possible he/they realized the window tinting description was inconsistent in KM & BM's written narratives. By throwing out something about tinted windows in advance, it may help confuse public about these inconsistent details (and throw off search engine results?)


JMO

 

[SStarr33]

Yes. If the Meyers patriarch hadn't told so many lies about that night, there wouldn't have been nearly so much confusion about what his family were up to.

My LULZ had nothing to do with what Bob said they had to do with what people here said.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

It's indisputable that they, in their car, approached him in his friend's car, and began chasing EN and his friend. Both BM and EN describe that. EN was sitting there not bothering anybody. The Meyerses came along and chased him.

This actually is the part that seems to be the most indisputable of all the events while other events before and after have varying degrees of dispute.

 

[sonjay]

Brandon, in his GJ testimony:

Q. So when you make the left hand turn with your mother, the car is now an appreciable distance in front of you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now can you describe to us in just a general fashion, Brandon, about what happens in this area while your mom is following this car?
A. While my mother's following the victim -- or the suspect, they get to the intersection of Alta and that street and we stopped because they stopped, so she stopped the vehicle.

BM is certainly under the impression that his mom was following EN.

I wonder why she was doing that?

I wonder what she would have done (or wanted her son to do) if EN hadn't had a gun.

I suspect BM knows what she wanted.

I still LOL at the (BBM) slip Brandon made in referring to EN as the victim.