GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[newone]

Erich and Brandon's stories match. It was not a CYA moment.

I am referring to ''the beginning'' when little was really known......as per RM's account and that of the children....to him it was apparent it didn't matter who shot first because his family was being ''threatened on their turf'' and had a right to defend themselves --that's all -- MOO

 

[jjenny]

I'm not really standing behind this point, but I want to make it anyway:

It's not THEIR cul de sac. Cul de sacs are still public streets. I know people who live on them feel like they have a greater right to privacy because if you don't know someone who lives there, there is no reason to be on the street.

With all their cars, I believe the M's probably "claim" all the street curving in front of their house, etc...

It's not their street any more than Cherry River is EN's street....

One more thought: how do we know Brandon didn't set up behind the dually and start shooting the moment the audi turned on to public Mt. Shasta?


I'm talking this out....

Well, excuse me. I say this is "my street" it doesn't mean I own it, it means that's where I live.

 

[SStarr33]

I'm not really standing behind this point, but I want to make it anyway:

It's not THEIR cul de sac. Cul de sacs are still public streets. I know people who live on them feel like they have a greater right to privacy because if you don't know someone who lives there, there is no reason to be on the street.

With all their cars, I believe the M's probably "claim" all the street curving in front of their house, etc...

It's not their street any more than Cherry River is EN's street....

One more thought: how do we know Brandon didn't set up behind the dually and start shooting the moment the audi turned on to public Mt. Shasta?


I'm talking this out....

Because Erich and Brandon told us how it went down.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Do we really know that video is the actual car that is in question? Are we really certain that the car is actually on Cherry River? I'm having a hard time making out the video because it's dark out and on my end not very clear. Is this video in evidence? I may have missed it

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.


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[PaperDoll]

I'm not really standing behind this point, but I want to make it anyway:

It's not THEIR cul de sac. Cul de sacs are still public streets. I know people who live on them feel like they have a greater right to privacy because if you don't know someone who lives there, there is no reason to be on the street.

With all their cars, I believe the M's probably "claim" all the street curving in front of their house, etc...

It's not their street any more than Cherry River is EN's street....

One more thought: how do we know Brandon didn't set up behind the dually and start shooting the moment the audi turned on to public Mt. Shasta or shortly thereafter.


I'm talking this out....

You are right about it being a public street and I really didn't mean it the way you are taking it. But EN knew he didn't live on that street so why was he there shooting?

 

[Hiandmighty]

I don't trust what Brandon says. I may or may not believe what EN says.


I also wonder if all of BM's rounds are accounted for given what his gun could hold. Maybe there is a missing one, etc, and it is up in some grass or something. This is just a outlier thought...

 

[jjenny]

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.

But which car? Apparently there could have been two cars. A "road rage" car and the car that picked EN up are not necessarily one and the same.

 

[jjenny]

You are right about it being a public street and I really didn't mean it the way you are taking it. But EN knew he didn't live on that street so why was he there shooting?

Exactly. EN appears to be exempt from normal rules of behavior. TM was supposed to call 911 and not follow anyone. But why doesn't the same apply to EN? His "fan base" seem to think normal rules shouldn't apply to him.

 

[Hiandmighty]

You are right about it being a public street and I really didn't mean it the way you are taking it. But EN knew he didn't live on that street so why was he there shooting?

I actually was thinking about it earlier, so when you posted it, I decided to bring up the point. I don't know how the idea would fit into a SYG concept for BM.

The M's strike me as the kind of people who would yell at strange cars to get off their street-- they didn't belong there. Just my speculation.

Its just something I want to park in the back of my head for later... A rainy day thought.

 

[PaperDoll]

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.

LOL, now that is some good detective work

 

[Hiandmighty]

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.

Wow, you get a prize for all of that!

 

[Hiandmighty]

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.

So it sounds like LE needs to find the driver (probably the owner) of the audi.

 

[PaperDoll]

I actually was thinking about it earlier, so when you posted it, I decided to bring up the point. I don't know how the idea would fit into a SYG concept for BM.

The M's strike me as the kind of people who would yell at strange cars to get off their street-- they didn't belong there. Just my speculation.

Its just something I want to park in the back of my head for later... A rainy day thought.

I don't know how the SYG rule would stand up to EN either. He's claiming self defense isn't he? Where is the self defense? If anything I would say the Meyers have more of a "right" to claim self defense since they were shot at the 1st time around and EN, in his statement said he wasn't shot at.

So the Meyers, after being shot at the 1st time, now sees the same car who shot at them driving on "their" cul-de-sac, is going to stand out in the street and yell at the car to get off their street????????? ok, I guess if I had too many glasses of martinis that might make sense..

 

[newone]

I am certain the car is on Cherry River. I found the camera location via google street view and matched the houses and landscaping in the video.

I enlarged the video, stopped it continually so it was a succession of frames, and adjusted the brightness setting on my laptop a few times. The driver is shining a spotlight and there is strange activity at the passenger window. It appears as if someone is leaning in and out of the passenger window.

I also researched Audis and found an Audi model that matches perfectly.

Based on all of that along with the time on the video, I'm confident the car in the video is the actual car in question.

bbm: now who does that?? -- security, pizza delivery, taxi driver, LE or ???

 

[SStarr33]

bbm: now who does that?? -- security, pizza delivery, taxi driver, LE or ???

Somebody premeditating murder

 

[Miss Muffet]

But which car? Apparently there could have been two cars. A "road rage" car and the car that picked EN up are not necessarily one and the same.

While I do believe there was a prior incident, I don't believe there were two different cars.

If you insist on believing there were two different cars and the EN car isn't passing the video camera, the "road rage" car only had one occupant, and there are at least two occupants in the car in the video. If you believe the "road rage" car picked up a passenger, let's review the many coincidences required for that to be true:

1) Two grey/silver cars driving the same neighborhood at a time when traffic is almost nonexistent.

2) Two grey/silver cars with occupants wanting kill TM and KM. Not the same day, not the same evening, but within a time period of less than a half hour.

3) Two drivers of grey/silver cars picking up passengers between the "road rage" incident and the first shooting scene.

 

[jjenny]

While I do believe there was a prior incident, I don't believe there were two different cars.

If you insist on believing there were two different cars and the EN car isn't passing the video camera, the "road rage" car only had one occupant, and there are at least two occupants in the car in the video. If you believe the "road rage" car picked up a passenger, let's review the many coincidences required for that to be true:

1) Two grey/silver cars driving the same neighborhood at a time when traffic is almost nonexistent.

2) Two cars with occupants wanting kill TM and KM. Not the same day, not the same evening, but within a time period of less than a half hour.

3) Two drivers of grey/silver cars picking up a passenger between the "road rage" incident and the first shooting scene.

I haven't seen the close up image of the car showing two people inside, so it's hard for me to judge how accurate that claim is.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Mogg's testimony about what EN said concerning where the car went doesn't make sense.

We talked about this previously---how heading down Alta, turning right onto Mt. Carmel and making a left too soon on Mt. Shasta could explain how they ended up on Mt. Shasta while taking a shortcut to EN's house with the turns stated by Mogg.

But that doesn't match the evidence that the Audi was in the surveillance video heading East on Cherry River.

It's hard for me to give any weight to Mogg's testimony. Making sure details of statements match evidence is his specialty. Since testifying in court is a routine part of his job, we can't excuse it away as being inexperienced or nervous. He had plenty of time to review all of the statements and evidence to determine what fit together and what didn't. It's entirely possible Mogg misinterpreted what EN said.

Yes, in going back and re-reading that part, it sounds like some more time had passed than I originally thought per what Mogg is saying. Per Mogg it sounds like they made a U-turn at some point on Alta as that's the only way they'd be making left turns to be able get to EN's (or TM's place). If there was a U-turn to go back, it sounds like EN really did want to get to his home as they took a longer route if EN wanted to turn back to go to TM's.

He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect. They come back
into the cul-de-sac on Mount Shasta where the victim was
shot.

This sounds like there was more time on one hand, but on the other it seems to demonstrate even more strongly that EN hadn't at that time intended to go to Mt Shasta after seeing the Buick again, but wanted to go home instead. If the Audi drove past Cimarron and did a U-turn, it would have taken about 2 minutes to get to Mt Shasta from EN saying that after passing the parallel of his house and to go back to Cimarron, get on Cherry, get on Carmel Peak and then to Mt Shasta. This would have been anything but a near-simultaneous arrival of the Buick and the Audi, particularly since Mogg said EN would have seen the Buick either right when the Buick was turning on Mt Shasta or just before. Maybe EN was right they were getting more guns in that according to Mogg the Buick was practically home if not home already before EN had said anything about turning around to go to his own home. TM not having even got out of the car after two minutes seems like an awful long time unless TM was still in the car wanting to get further armed.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I don't know how the SYG rule would stand up to EN either. He's claiming self defense isn't he? Where is the self defense? If anything I would say the Meyers have more of a "right" to claim self defense since they were shot at the 1st time around and EN, in his statement said he wasn't shot at.

So the Meyers, after being shot at the 1st time, now sees the same car who shot at them driving on "their" cul-de-sac, is going to stand out in the street and yell at the car to get off their street????????? ok, I guess if I had too many glasses of martinis that might make sense..

Let's imagine something:

Suppose this is two gangs having a gang war: self-defense for either?

I'm curious. No one needs to answer.


ETA: I'm trying to "free think" on this case. I'm starting off by saying I don't believe any of them.

The sticky point that get me thinking is that darn full metal 9mm jacket from Brandon's gun.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Alta and Cherry River run the same direction and both will eventually end up at Cimarron if driven far enough. When you say TM do you actually mean EN? and is this during the 1st shootout? I'm confused by what you are saying...

Yes, that's what I meant