GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[BellaVita]

No, Brandon said she drove home fast.

And I'm pretty sure Brandon always tells the truth.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

This is why I think the Audi was on Alta, passed Carmel Peak, looked down the street and saw the Buick making a turn on Mt. Shasta, then before they hit Cimarron they made a u turn and went back to Carmel Peak etc.... That could be why they actually were able to get the Meyers still in the car and or getting out of the car running. I can't see the Meyers taking another way home, that wouldn't make sense unless they were trying to not lead the Audi back to their house, but if that were the case than there was some minor, or major, time lapse between the 1st shooting and the 2nd..

However both according EN as well as BM and nominally the CCTV footage the Audi came southbound from Cherry River rather than going northbound from Alta. EN was telling the Audi driver how to get to his own home where the fastest way to get to his home after having passed it in parallel on Alta is to go up Cimarron and then take Cherry River. There is a not inconsiderable time lapse if after passing Carmel Peak you go up Cimarron, turn on Cherry River then turn on Carmel Peak and then finally turn on Mt Shasta and longer EN is past his home and continuing on Alta before he has the driver turn around to go to his place, the longer it would have been. If EN had the driver do a U-turn just past Cimarron according to Google Maps it would take about 2 minutes to get to Mt Shasta after the Audi made the U-turn if it went to Cherry River first. It would be a lot simpler if the Audi had just gone northbound from Alta onto Carmel Peak and then right to Mt Shasta, but instead I'm seeing at least a minute (if the Audi was driving really fast) where I don't see why in that time the Meyers weren't already out of the car and inside their home with the door locked and on the phone with the police by the time the Audi would have arrived there.

 

[BellaVita]

Well I'm going to answer with MOO Gang war or not, a woman/mother/wife was killed in this process while on her own property (yes, the driveway is her own property not the publics). They were fleeing the 1st shooting scene, if they really wanted to have all out gang war, then the Meyers would have shot back at that time and EN would have said he was being shot at in his statements. That wouldn't be something you would want to leave out. So, EN may have feared someone was after his family and assumed it was the Buick since the Buick followed them, gun out the window or not, the Buick didn't fire any shots, EN did. Do we let everyone off the hook and just look the other way because it's a gang war? Maybe it wasn't a gang war at all. TM to me doesn't look like she belonged in a gang, nor did her daughter.

Did I ever mention that NO ONE, NOT EN, NOT THE MEYERS EVER CALLED THE POLICE FOR HELP! And yet EN is calling it self defense?? He stayed in the very area where he felt threatened, he took matters into his own hands. He didn't bother calling the police to tell them that he fears someone is after his mom and baby sister, and if they would come check it out. No, he decided to play the law. The Meyers decided to play the law after feeling threatened by the "Road Rage" story. :tantrum:

I'm pretty sure BM didn't shoot at the first scene because he is incompetent in firearms. He thought he was bada** but he's not. IMO. Please refer to earlier posts referencing an incident by BM about TM following a road rager to his house and confronting him. If that story is true, which who knows because of all the M's lies, that is the dumbest stuff I've heard anybody do. NORMAL people don't do that. M's are nowhere near normal as I know it.

 

[BellaVita]

BM who I think has a permit to carry, has a right to fire his weapon on the very car who fired the 1st shots at them while on his own property. Does EN have a permit to carry?

Separate issues. It is better to have your CCW but if not I'd rather face 6 than be 6 feet under. IMO.

 

[LancelotLink]

I think BM's latest pearl about TM and the gangbanger is pure BS, designed to make her actions seem not so far fetched...and yet.
Oh, she did this all the time. She hates bullies. Normal day at our house...
She gave him money on numerous occasions. No biggie...nothing to see here.

 

[Miss Muffet]

:tantrum:

Now we have PaperDoll raging!

 

[SpanishInquisition]

BM who I think has a permit to carry, has a right to fire his weapon on the very car who fired the 1st shots at them while on his own property. Does EN have a permit to carry?

I'd say that he had no more right to fire on the Audi than EN had a right to fire on the Buick. EN somehow knew the Buick was armed even though EN allegedly said that he wasn't fired upon, so somehow EN correctly knew the Buick was armed and he defended himself when being chased by an armed car. After the cars drove away on separate streets I think things got reset, so neither of them had any special right to shoot at the other where if EN fired first BM would have a right shoot back and vice versa.

 

[SStarr33]

And I'm pretty sure Brandon always tells the truth.

If they have video of EN, I'm sure there is video of Brandon and Tammy

 

[Miss Muffet]

The neighbor -- I think the neighbor reported that his son heard the shots -- 3 shots, then a pause, then more shots. I wish one of the neighbors had actually seen this as it happened.

Like the gang member neighbor TM followed home and told off in his driveway?

I wonder if he is a member of Alta Block.

Can a rival gang member live in another gang's territory?
:shame:

This neighborhood is a hot mess. I wonder if anyone credible lives there.

 

[SStarr33]

I think BM's latest pearl about TM and the gangbanger is pure BS, designed to make her actions seem not so far fetched...and yet.
Oh, she did this all the time. She hates bullies. Normal day at our house...
She gave him money on numerous occasions. No biggie...nothing to see here.

Well, that is easily investigated.

 

[BellaVita]

If they have video of EN, I'm sure there is video of Brandon and Tammy

Your quotes tell little of what you are referring to. But yeah, there WAS a high speed chase according to the M's and the M's were the first aggressors. Instead of short one-liners, please make a reasoned closing statement regarding why the M's felt the need to tell so many lies. BIG LIES. If you can show some logic, I could change my mind. IMO.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

It's entirely possible that BM fired first in the cul de sac.

We can't trust anything BM says about that night.

EN doesn't know; he didn't even remember BM shooting at all.

The neighbor -- I think the neighbor reported that his son heard the shots -- 3 shots, then a pause, then more shots. I wish one of the neighbors had actually seen this as it happened.

However for EN to have the ability to claim self-defense with a degree of success, it requires him to know BM fired upon him. Even if BM fired three shots first at EN, that does EN no good if EN didn't know he was fired upon before he started firing. Per EN's alleged confession it sounds like he is talking about a more general threat rather than an immediate threat unless there was credible evidence showing that three or more people had been in the Buick (in the GJ testimony Mogg actually predicated it on TM having been the only one in the Buick at the time BM ran out as the basis for EN having no reason to fire on the Buick since the only known armed passenger was out of the car meaning EN knew the car was unarmed), but other than that I see self-defense can be used, but not that it would have a high probability of actually succeeding except in getting found guilty of lesser charge due to being found guilty for outing out of rashness/passion as a partial defense to not being found guilty of M1.

 

[SStarr33]

Your quotes tell little of what you are referring to. But yeah, there WAS a high speed chase according to the M's and the M's were the first aggressors. Instead of short one-liners, please make a reasoned closing statement regarding why the M's felt the need to tell so many lies. BIG LIES. If you can show some logic, I could change my mind. IMO.

Bob has already given that information, and everyone said it was a lie. So what is the point?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm pretty sure BM didn't shoot at the first scene because he is incompetent in firearms. He thought he was bada** but he's not. IMO. Please refer to earlier posts referencing an incident by BM about TM following a road rager to his house and confronting him. If that story is true, which who knows because of all the M's lies, that is the dumbest stuff I've heard anybody do. NORMAL people don't do that. M's are nowhere near normal as I know it.

BBM

What do you mean by Brandon is incompetent in firearms?

 

[BellaVita]

Bob has already given that information, and everyone said it was a lie. So what is the point?

What info are you referring to? Bob has given tons. I can't sort out what you're referring to. RM mouth goes all the time. I don't care what he says. Some I believe, some I don't. I think I'm smart enough to figure out most of it. The point is, please explain the reasons for all the lying by the M's. It is not just inconsistencies. IT IS LIES. How do normal people get involved with road rage incident after incident? So what? Most people hate bullies but we don't all get into confrontations on a regular basis. The psychology of this family is ABNORMAL! Please share your thoughts in more than a one-liner. Please.

 

[BellaVita]

BBM

What do you mean by Brandon is incompetent in firearms?

What I mean and thought I stated explicitly is that BM thinks he is bada**, exhibited his gun on FB and bragged about a prior road rage incident and openly regretted that he didn't have his gun at that time. So, now he has the golden opportunity with another road rage incident to use his gun but yet, at the first shooting scene, all he can manage is an unspent casing in the passenger seat. If you'd read the FB posting, you'd have known that BM loves the gun but in this incident it shows me he is a lot of talk and not much to back it up. Ineffective at best.

 

[jjenny]

It's entirely possible that BM fired first in the cul de sac.

We can't trust anything BM says about that night.

EN doesn't know; he didn't even remember BM shooting at all.

The neighbor -- I think the neighbor reported that his son heard the shots -- 3 shots, then a pause, then more shots. I wish one of the neighbors had actually seen this as it happened.

If EN doesn't know that anyone shot at him, how is he going to claim self-defense?
What was he defending himself from?
At the first scene, only .45 caliber bullets were found. BM didn't shoot at him then.
Why would EN follow BM and TM to begin with, if he didn't intend to shoot them some more?

 

[jjenny]

Don't have quote right now but a neighbor reported hearing 3 shots boom, boom, boom in rapid succession and then rest of the shots. BM fired three times. Things that make you go ummm. IMO.

And what? What does that prove? First of all as I remember that neighbor was way off on how many total shots were fired. Second of all, even if there was three shots, pause, and more shots, that doesn't prove EN didn't fire three shots, paused, and shot some more. And considering EN told his friend he didn't think anyone shot at him at all, seems highly unlikely he wasn't the one who shot first.

 

[BellaVita]

So now you are complaining there was not enough shooting for you?

I am still waiting for more than a one sentence reply. I want to hear a reasoned opinion for the lies. Please.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What I mean and thought I stated explicitly is that BM thinks he is bada**, exhibited his gun on FB and bragged about a prior road rage incident and openly regretted that he didn't have his gun at that time. So, now he has the golden opportunity with another road rage incident to use his gun but yet, at the first shooting scene, all he can manage is an unspent casing in the passenger seat. If you'd read the FB posting, you'd have known that BM loves the gun but in this incident it shows me he is a lot of talk and not much to back it up. Ineffective at best.

I don't read Facebook because I feel that it's cesspool of hate, rumors and false information. I still don't understand your comment about Brandon being incompetent with a firearm.

How does someone thinking he's a bad***, exhibiting a gun on Facebook or bragging make him incompetent with a firearm? Competency with a firearm has nothing to do with any of that in my opinion.