GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[sonjay]

Well, they WERE after him. Mistaken identity or not, they WERE after him. It is indeed the misfortune of the M's that they left the safety of their home to go hunting. All aggressive hotheads eventually meet their match.

Yes, they were indeed after EN. It's not paranoia if they really are after you. He had good reason to be fearful that night.

 

[al66pine]

All the streets mentioned are public streets; ....Mt. Shasta is a really small cul-de-sac and if you start to enter it, you should see that there is no exit except the way you came.

bbm sbm

Presumably EN knew car was turning into cul de sac.

Question for locals or Google Earth Street View wizards.
Some municipalities or subdivisions have special street signs on cul de sacs or other dead end streets.
Sometimes bright yellow or orange "Dead End" or "No Exit" signs are installed just below the 'regular' signs w street names.
Does M fam's subdivision have signs like that? What about the M fam's cul de sac (Mt Shasta?) specifically?

Driver, maybe unfamiliar w area, might notice such a sign and realize there was no other way out, even before making the turn. Or not.

 

[sonjay]

LOL! Well saying it isn't first degree murder sure doesn't make it so either.

I do believe he and Andrews are both charged with first degree murder which is the appropriate charge imo.

I fully believe the DA can prove it IS M1.

True. But there's a HUGE difference:

To convict of first degree murder requires that the state prove every element of the charge.

To acquit requires only reasonable doubt.

Any doubt has to be resolved in favor of the defendant. You can't just say "Well, we're not sure, so we'll call it first degree murder."

 

[sonjay]

Here is how I'm taking that statement: KM saw the road rager guy during their driving lesson, TM dropped her off at home, BM gets in the car and searches for the road rager. KM is still at home waiting for mom and brother to return, maybe at that time she was looking out a window??? Maybe when mom and BM pulled into the driveway she ran outside and that was when she spotted the Audi? IMO there isn't much difference between the 2 cars that were are in question (not the Buick we all know that car) but the silver car. Now the tinted window ordeal doesn't mean neither of the cars had tinted windows even though KM said the road rage car didn't have them tinted. IMO, you can have dark tinted windows or light tinted windows, this I know because my husbands car has darker tint than mine. But the car colors are basically the same as well as the description... MOO!

BBM. Yes, BM got in the car and went searching for the road rager. (Allegedly)

Why? Can you explain why? Do you know what his intentions were? Do you know what TM's intentions were? Were they bringing the silver car tea and cookies?

Is it okay that they then pointed a gun at and chased the wrong car?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

He took Ducharme because that street will also take him home instead of going around the Alta.

At what point in their trip did BM testify that they gave up their search for the person threatening their family and were heading home? I'm not seeing anywhere that BM said they had given up.

 

[BellaVita]

It's all in the perception on that GJ Statement. I see it one way while others see it happened another.

I agree about the perception part. I just feel that until I, personally, started to really read and examine the testimony, I had much less understanding. By quoting the docs, it made me think very critically. It challenged me and I think gave me a better understanding. IMO. And thanks for your input.

 

[sonjay]

Here's a rough approximation of what Cherry River and Mt. Shasta would look like at night. Both are pics from Google street view looking west from Carmel Peak:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

bbm sbm

Presumably EN knew car was turning into cul de sac.

Question for locals or Google Earth Street View wizards.
Some municipalities or subdivisions have special street signs on cul de sacs or other dead end streets.
Sometimes bright yellow or orange "Dead End" or "No Exit" signs are installed just below the 'regular' signs w street names.
Does M fam's subdivision have signs like that? What about the M fam's cul de sac (Mt Shasta?) specifically?

Driver, maybe unfamiliar w area, might notice such a sign and realize there was no other way out, even before making the turn. Or not.

The street sign for Mt Shasta has no specific designation on or below it that it isn't a through street. I do believe it is most likely that they intended to go down that street, but I do believe it is possible that there was a mistake given how Andrews was the driver and he doesn't live around there (he lives 7 miles away).

 

[al66pine]

Here's a rough approximation of what Cherry River and Mt. Shasta would look like at night. Both are pics from Google street view looking west from Carmel Peak:

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If your post responds my question about poss "Dead End" type sign, thank you very much. You are a wiz.
So this is what driver & EN w/h/seen just before turning into M fam cul de sac?

On left side of pic, by car in drive, I see sign post, w "Yield" type triangle, cannot read other lettering on sign. Anyone? TIA.

 

[BellaVita]

Have you seen the cul-de-sac (Mt. Shasta)? EN SHOULD know that Mt. Shasta has no exit except from where they came in. EN knows there is no short cut to take on Mt. Shasta it's a dead end street. EN knows he lives one street over and all he had to do to get home from Carmel Peak was make a left on Cherry River not on Mt. Shasta.

If he knew it was Mt. Shasta, he would have known that. Just because there is no exit doesn't mean they couldn't turn around there. He wasn't saying that Shasta provided a place to turn off, only that if they went down that street and turned around then they could take the shortcut. IMO.

 

[PaperDoll]

Yes, he did. Please explain why BM was on Buffalo and took a right on Ducharme. What was he doing out there? What was his intention? No one has yet explained what BM & TM intended when they set out with BM's gun that night to hunt for the silver car. Were they planning on bringing it tea and cookies?

BM was on that road because he didn't want his mom driving out with a road rage guy on the loose, and yes, like EN, BM also brought a gun. Why was EN walking the park at night when he knows someone is out to get him? Where is the logic in that?

 

[BellaVita]

Here is how I'm taking that statement: KM saw the road rager guy during their driving lesson, TM dropped her off at home, BM gets in the car and searches for the road rager. KM is still at home waiting for mom and brother to return, maybe at that time she was looking out a window??? )

How would looking out the window enable KM to mirror the events described by BM?

 

[PaperDoll]

Every time I've ever mistakenly entered a cul de sac that only had 4-5 houses before the open circle part at the end, I just drive on down to the end to turn around.

Right, but EN knows that street, he lives right behind it so why go on it? What was his business on Mt. Shasta? If you say it was a wrong turn, how do you know that?

 

[SeeAlice]

I sincerely hope the DA brings out the Selig's allegations against EN as part of their case. Should be riveting testimony. And the cross-examination, wow.

 

[sonjay]

BM was on that road because he didn't want his mom driving out with a road rage guy on the loose, and yes, like EN, BM also brought a gun. Why was EN walking the park at night when he knows someone is out to get him? Where is the logic in that?

But WHY did BM and his mom go out with BM's gun to look for the alleged road rage guy? What were they intending to do? Where is the logic in that? Were they planning to bring him tea and cookies?

 

[sonjay]

Right, but EN knows that street, he lives right behind it so why go on it? What was his business on Mt. Shasta? If you say it was a wrong turn, how do you know that?

I only have what Det. Mogg testified, that EN's stated intention to DA was to go home.

 

[sonjay]

I sincerely hope the DA brings out the Selig's allegations against EN as part of their case. Should be riveting testimony. And the cross-examination, wow.

And let's not forget, Selig's allegations included that TM was in the habit of buying prescription drugs from EN. Yes, it should be riveting. :thinking:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If your post responds my question about poss "Dead End" type sign, thank you very much. You are a wiz.
So this is what driver & EN w/h/seen just before turning into M fam cul de sac?

On left side of pic, by car in drive, I see sign post, w "Yield" type triangle, cannot read other lettering on sign. Anyone? TIA.

It is a yield sign where the lettering is on the other side of it for those exiting Mt Shasta to yield.

 

[BellaVita]

BM was on that road because he didn't want his mom driving out with a road rage guy on the loose, and yes, like EN, BM also brought a gun. Why was EN walking the park at night when he knows someone is out to get him? Where is the logic in that?

EN dealt drugs there. TM regularly visited him there according to a neighbor who was willing to go on record. EN called for a ride out of there when he felt threatened. EN tried to retreat. The M's escalated and there was no turning back. Events were in motion.

 

[PaperDoll]

EN wasn't driving.

Can you explain why BM was on Buffalo and took a right on Ducharme? What was he doing out there? He knows that he lives on Mt. Shasta.

And, why did he take his gun?

And, what were he and TM planning to do when they found the silver car?

And, why did they chase a silver car that had nothing to do with the earlier alleged road rage?

When the green car was pursuing the silver car south on Villa Monterey, just before the first shooting scene, WHY did BM go past Cherry River when he was pursuing the silver car? He knew that he lives over on Mt. Shasta and that the way to get there is by turning west on Cherry River. He knew that all he had to do to get home from Villa Monterey was to make a right on Cherry River.

Yes I can explain why BM was out there, he didn't want his mom driving alone looking for this guy who threatened them. BM grabbed his gun and went out. BM IIRC has a permit to carry and the gun wasn't loaded when he left the house. You can take Cimarron to Westcliff Dr and Westcliff runs into Buffalo. He can take Buffalo to Ducharme to get home and that is the way they took for whatever reason. I also know that BM didn't fire his weapon per police findings so apparently he really didn't want to use it unless he had to.

I have no idea what they planned on doing when they saw the silver car and neither does anyone here IMO. It wasn't stated why.

IIRC TM said that was the car that was after them when they spotted it. Did they chase it or did EN think they were being chased after all BM/TM could have been going home. The Audi took the route that the Buick would have had to make in order to get to Mt. Shasta. The Audi stopped closer to Alta on VIlla Monterey and the Buick stopped a cars length from Cherry River and shots were fired from the Audi. Why did they stop a cars length? I don't know, maybe the Meyers didn't think they would be shot at, but maybe wanted to make sure that car didn't follow them home????