GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

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  • #961
It's not reasonable to shoot at someone as they are trying to run away.
It absolutely is reasonable if the person has a gun and has shot at you. LE does it. "Police. Stop. Or I'll shoot." LE can shoot suspects in the back, and it's only a problem if the suspect is unarmed.

Just the fact BM was running away doesn't mean the shootout was over. He could have been simply running for cover to continue shooting. What happened that night is one event that spanned a few blocks, not just what happened on Mt. Shasta. And that one moment BM was running away on Mt. Shasta is just part of that one long event. The direction he is heading is irrelevant since he had a gun and actually fired that gun. IMO.
 
  • #962
But we're supposed to believe the third hand accounts of EN's friends?

Exactly, everything should be questioned since the prosecution didn't introduce EN's confession in his own words even though they had it, but instead the prosecution only provided secondary accounts by others that we don't know how reliable they are as to what EN actually told any of them, so we are left reading tea leaves and wonder how good a quality the tea leaves are.
 
  • #963
EN said "this can't be happening, this can't be happening" and he was describing seeing the Buick and that is when the turned around (short cut) and headed towards Mt. Shasta, NOT HOME, but Mt. Shasta. He saw the Buick turning on Mt. Shasta and we all know what happened next. I do not believe DA made a wrong turn on Mt. Shasta, I just don't.

To me, "this can't be happening, this can't be happening" doesn't sound like something that would be said by a bloodthirsty cold-blooded killer who, after cool and reflective deliberation, was on his way to go kill someone.

That sounds to me more like the shock and fear of someone who was in fear for his life after being chased by someone with a gun.
 
  • #964
This may seem to have come completely out of left field, but it really isn't.

In one of their first motions after Nowsch was jailed, his defense attorneys requested gun shot residue (GSR) testing be done on TM's body before it was released to the family for disposal. (Or access to any GSR tests conducted by LVMPD.)

We have frequently discussed the possibility that TM also had a weapon and may have fired some or all of the bullets at the silver car. Also, it was noted that GSR could indicate were TM was in relation to BrM as he fired his weapon, if he indeed did. Unfortunately these discussions are scattered throughout the six current threads.

I previously asked if LE would have needed a search warrant to do GSR tests of the children's hands the night of the shooting if they refused to give consent.

I also asked if GSR tests are routinely done on every patient brought into an ER with a GSW. (Seems like a good policy to me since most GSW cases are going to be investigated by LE anyway.

No answer to either of those questions to date, as far as I'm aware.


JMO



Added bolding to above post to hopefully make it easier to comprehend.

Adding for context and completeness:

Earlier discussions of GSR testing

Thread #1 - 2/20
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*&p=11507102#post11507102

Thread #1 - all posts re: GSR
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2394566
If link doesn't work, go to thread 1 and "Search thread" for gunshot residue


I thought this whole page from 2/18 was very interesting to look back at. It also has GSR discussion.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...498993&highlight=gunshot+residue#post11498993



Nowhere in my post above did I say that we had seen any test results or that any had been released. (I'm not sure why I need to include a link to something I didn't even say.) I did say the attorneys wanted it.

Defense attorneys request results if GSR test
"Attorneys for Erich Nowsch are requesting the results of a gunshot residue test. They will be back in court on Friday morning to discuss that request."
http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/shooti...gunshot-residue-test-294244021.html?lc=Tablet



My questions re: routine GSR testing, dated 3/5

Can we find testimony from another Vegas murder trial or a law enforcement procedures handbook to determine if GSR testing is routinely done on every ER patient who presents with a GSW?

Seems like that would be SOP in ERs but I'm just going by what seems like common sense to me.

As far as the kids & GSR tests, I truly don't know. It's possible they were completely honest in answering detectives' questions fully when asked initially, the night of the shooting, and they told their father and Matt a different story. Or it's possible they exercised their constitutionally guaranteed right to remain silent until they consulted their father or a lawyer. If it's the latter, would LE have to get a judge to sign a search warrant ordering them to submit to swabbing for GSR?

Adding link to story quoting Matt

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/02...wn-111521.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*-4&p=11562373#post11562373


Link to al66pine's answer to my question regarding routine GSR testing.
(Apologies, al66pine, I missed that post. That was a pretty fast & furious week.)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*-4&p=11562472#post11562472


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  • #965
Exactly, everything should be questioned since the prosecution didn't introduce EN's confession in his own words even though they had it, but instead the prosecution only provided secondary accounts by others that we don't know how reliable they are as to what EN actually told any of them, so we are left reading tea leaves and wonder how good a quality the tea leaves are.

I suspect &#8212; based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever &#8212; that EN's account to his friends that night, as well as his account to Mogg, were somewhat convoluted, hard to follow, and unclear. EN probably doesn't suffer from an excess of organized thinking. Then Mogg had to figure out what he thought EN meant, and then he had to remember what he thought it meant, and then summarize and paraphrase that recollection for the GJ. Even if he had his notes or a written transcript of the interview with him for his GJ testimony, he was still summarizing and paraphrasing his understanding of what he thought EN meant.
 
  • #966
No one has presented as fact that TM had a gun or that she shot a gun that night.
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Perhaps not quite, but I've read posts which come pretty close, and it won't be allowed. A dead person cannot speak on her own behalf. There are no statements from TM to explain her actions. Therefore, she gets the benefit of the doubt.

Nor do we have evidence that TM fired a gun that night. Supposition in the form of a defense attorney's request for a GSR test does not make it so.
 
  • #967
Add to that my my discovery that someone is standing in EN's driveway in the surveillance video, and it seems EN had a crew in the neighborhood that night.

No matter how much I stare at that image, I cannot be sure it's a person standing in EN's driveway. I can see the dark blob that you're referring to, but I can't tell for sure whether it's a person. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm only saying that I personally can't make it out well enough to be positive.

A longer clip from that surveillance video for that time period should reveal if it's a person -- particularly if they walk up and down the driveway or back and forth or move around somehow. I'm sure that at the trial a longer clip will be shown.

I particularly want to see any other cars that pass along that street during the time before and after the silver car goes by.
 
  • #968
You were the one who based the comment on a photo and not the gun. Apparently, he needed more than a silly face and a wad of paper to "take care of himself". He felt he needed some protection and from his DOCUMENTED history, he may very well have. Just WHOM he needed protection from would be an interesting thing to know. IMO, he may very well have needed it from the M's based on the testimony given about them chasing the car he was in - as per BM. I do not think that anything about motivation has been established beyond a reasonable doubt yet and I am not prone to easy or shallow acceptance of "fault" or conclusions because I've seen too many cases where that route turns out to be the wrong one - especially when the stakes are so high. I prefer the biggest picture possible before I decide I am sure about something like this.

For the record, I am a fan of NO ONE in this entire case (IMO, NONE of the parties here are the kind of people I would be "fanatic" about and I take umbrage at the idea.) so you can cool it with the "Fan Club" junk, please. This isn't a football game with bleacher sides.

I am here to see where this goes because it is a fascinating and unique case. I have no skin in this game other than simple curiosity. If you will take note of my phrasing ("could", "possible", "might have", "if", etc.) you should be able to discern that I am merely attempting to cover bases of thought and not choosing sides; and that I am not attempting to claim a concrete outcome without provable facts. Nor am I incapable of changing my opinion and theories as more information comes to light. I was originally shocked and horrified at the initial news reports (I've followed this case since day one.) and was sucked in and have had my opinions change several times as more data has been made available and I have had civil and meaningful discussions with others. I wish other people were able to do the same.

We certainly see he can take care of himself. I can see why he would have 'little man' syndrome due to his size. Napoleon, Manson, and other small built men seem to suffer from this as well.

He probably thought owning a .45 made him intimidating to others.. which I am sure it did. There have been articles in the media about neighbors reporting seeing him firing a gun in the open park even after he murdered Tammy Myers. There were also reports that he had held a knife to the throats of two girls in the same park, iirc. I believe a photo of the very large knife he carried was put up on his social media page. So he did tend to substitute a deadly weapon since he was too small to be a threat to anyone without him having a deadly weapon with him which he felt gave him the advantage and in the end it did.

In the GJ testimony the detective did say he could never find any evidence of anyone trying to harm EN or his family. I believe it was drug induced paranoia on his part due to his lifestyle at the time around the arrest. Surely if he really had threats he would have them on his cell phone or if they did it face to face then he would know who they are yet he didn't tell the detective any names. So there had to be communication in some manner so there should be verification of the so called threats. There doesn't seem to be any as of the GJ testimony. May have been just away to explain why the little man always carried his gun.

Of course there has been no establishing beyond a reasonable doubt at this time concerning this case. The trial has not even been held. All we have now is partial evidence which has been presented is small snippets in the GJ and other than that we have assumptions including those against the murdered victim, attempted murder victim, and the defendant. We do know he meant to kill them though by his own admission. He said he couldn't let those m.....f....get away, and he tried his best to shoot them both by his own statement.

Imo, he is guilty of M1 based on what I know now. My opinion can change... should more real evidence, and not assumptions be revealed.

There is no evidence as of now that the Myers set out to harm anyone. People are allowed to carry a legally obtained weapon with them. In fact millions have CWPs and shoot no one. Gun owners rarely have to fire their weapon even though they may have had handguns with them on their person for many decades.

Tammy did not tell Brandon to bring his weapon but I can understand why he did. I don't think he ever intended on using his firearm. He didn't even ready it for firing until the first shooting occurred. I really think what Tammy wanted to do is see if she could follow the road rager to their home. If she did that then she could call 911 to report the address or like she did early about another bully she may have gone to his home to talk with him about the threats he made. A decision I don't agree with, but I have read many articles where parents did confront a bully. But there is absolutely no evidence that the Myers were the aggressors. The one with the most to gain by lying is always the defendant who is looking at long prison sentence. That is why EN lied to begin with which shows he will lie in a heartbeat if he thinks its to his advantage. I am sure LE chuckles when suspects tell them 'now I am going to tell you what really happened' because a lot of times it just doesn't jive with the evidence.

I don't think Brandon ever brandished his gun. EN did say he brandished his though. It wouldn't surprise me if LE already has camera footage from homes in the chase areas and shows no brandishing of the gun done from the green car. It makes no sense that BM would brandish the weapon and then not shoot. His gun was operable since he shot when he was being fired upon at his home. So imo as of this time there is more weight showing he did not brandish a weapon. We know which one was trigger happy that night and it wasn't Brandon. EN thought he was a badass when he had his gun with him like it made him a big man. Proud of it too and showing it off. As he told his friend what happened he almost seem giddy with what he had done. Really creepy, imo. Maybe he thought now his gang buddies would look up to him more.

Imo, the minute that the Myers were fired upon when they backed up away from the lunatic firing from the car two blocks ahead of them is when everything changed. By the evidence we know now it shows concretely that the Myers did not want a confrontation with the Audi and its passenger.

There is also no evidence that Tammy was armed. I don't even know how that assumption got started but if Tammy had been standing in her own yard with an Uzi in her hand when EN&DA came to their home, and property hemming them in......... she had every legal right to defend herself after already being shot at several times at another location. So did Brandon Myers. The Myers retreated back to the safety of their home. The Myers weren't the ones to confront. Going to the safety of their own home is not an aggressive act and they were never the ones that shot at anyone until the bullets came flying toward them at their home. EN&DA continued to aggressively pursue the green car even though EN admits the green car backed up instead and returned no fire at the first location. And during that pursuit they found them... then intended to kill both Tammy and Brandon even though EN did not succeed in killing BM the intent was still there by his own admission, hence the attempted murder charge.

Even if one wants to stretch it and say the Myers were the aggressors by merely following the silver car once the persons in the green car backed up and went home ENs claim of self defense goes out the window. Example: One cant have a heated physical altercation with someone at one location and one or both of the parties walk away from the confrontation, and then one of the parties goes over to the home afterwards and shoots and kills the other person. That is premeditated murder and that is what happened in this case.

From the first shooting scene on there was no evidence that either Meyers wanted a confrontation. The evidence shows otherwise. When they fled it was over and their actions showed neither one wanted to confront or harm those in the silver car. They never even tried to stop the Audi to even have a verbal conversation with those in the vehicle much less try to aggressively harm the occupants in any way.

JMO
 
  • #969
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Perhaps not quite, but I've read posts which come pretty close, and it won't be allowed. A dead person cannot speak on her own behalf. There are no statements from TM to explain her actions. Therefore, she gets the benefit of the doubt.

Nor do we have evidence that TM fired a gun that night. Supposition in the form of a defense attorney's request for a GSR test does not make it so.

Fair enough. While we're clarifying what's allowed and what's not, it also not allowed to refer to Meyers Derangement Syndrome and the Erich Fan Club?
 
  • #970
No matter how much I stare at that image, I cannot be sure it's a person standing in EN's driveway. I can see the dark blob that you're referring to, but I can't tell for sure whether it's a person. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm only saying that I personally can't make it out well enough to be positive.

A longer clip from that surveillance video for that time period should reveal if it's a person -- particularly if they walk up and down the driveway or back and forth or move around somehow. I'm sure that at the trial a longer clip will be shown.

I particularly want to see any other cars that pass along that street during the time before and after the silver car goes by.
Did you magnify it and compare it to the google map street view? The garbage can in front of the person in the driveway is located next to the neighbor's house to the left of EN's on the right side of the house. I understand you and others might not see it, but I see it clear as day. I didn't think much of it when I first noticed it. I simply thought it could have been an ear witness. After the GJ transcript and my realizing it was EN's house, I realized it is extremely relevant.

I'm looking forward to seeing a longer version of the video too. There's so much more information that we'd learn. I'm not even talking 10 minutes. Give us an entire 30 minutes of from that camera. Will we ever be allowed to see what evidence they use in court without actually going to court ourselves?
 
  • #971
I suspect &#8212; based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever &#8212; that EN's account to his friends that night, as well as his account to Mogg, were somewhat convoluted, hard to follow, and unclear. EN probably doesn't suffer from an excess of organized thinking. Then Mogg had to figure out what he thought EN meant, and then he had to remember what he thought it meant, and then summarize and paraphrase that recollection for the GJ. Even if he had his notes or a written transcript of the interview with him for his GJ testimony, he was still summarizing and paraphrasing his understanding of what he thought EN meant.

I view it that way too in that everyone was trying to be honest giving a summary of a summary of events with EN's confession rather than any deliberate inaccuracies, just any number of reasons it couldn't be reliable. Like with KK she most likely got woken up at 330 AM and was half-asleep when she talked to EN given how that she had to leave for work at 630 AM. While like with Mogg I think he's making a lot of conjecture that EN saw the Buick turn into Mt Shasta because of what he thought EN meant and he only provided a couple of actual recollected EN quotes, the one of which that has been a focus on here on giving directions to his own home. Of the actual parties involved in this excluding LE/DA/Defense, I feel the worst for KK as by any stretch of the imagination she didn't do anything wrong to anyone did her duty and she probably now feels like a Judas for ratting out what she viewed as her little brother and I see her as the one least likely to lie or be deceptive in anyway as she's neither a forced witness nor is this part of her professional capacity as everything she did was entirely voluntary, it's not going to end up on her job performance review how well she testified and she had no knowledge LE were aware of EN if they even were aware of EN...if it wasn't her and her boyfriend's voluntary actions, there might not even be a case against EN and we'd still be discussing who might have done it. I think KK's testimony will get EN a serious conviction of some kind and it will probably be hard on her for the rest of her life knowing both that she got him caught and that she got him sent away, not that she should feel bad but just as a natural response for her getting a de facto family member severely punished.
 
  • #972
But there is absolutely no evidence that the Myers were the aggressors.

Well, yes, there is.

In his very own testimony, BM describes a chase. He doesn't use that word, but a chase is what he's describing. That's aggressive.

The one with the most to gain by lying is always the defendant who is looking at long prison sentence.

Which is exactly why we find all the lies by the Meyerses to be so incomprehensible. They're acting like defendants who are trying to avoid a long prison sentence. We're wondering exactly what they've been covering up.


I don't think Brandon every brandished his gun. EN did say he brandished his though.

EN said BM brandished his gun, and he says that he brandished his own. Both of those factoids come from EN. Why do you choose to believe one but not the other?

Proud of it too and showing it off. As he told his friend what happened he almost seem giddy with what he had done. Really creepy, imo. Maybe he thought now his gang buddies would look up to him more.

BM's post on his FB page about his own near-road-rage incident is pretty creepy too, if you ask me. He seemed almost giddy about his desire to get out and beat up the pedestrian. Maybe he thought his buddies would look up to him more.

The Myers retreated back to the safety of their home. The Myers weren't the ones to confront.

They were the first ones to confront, when they took BM's gun and went hunting for the silver car, then pulled up behind it and pointed BM's gun at it, and then chased it. They retreated only after EN fired his own gun to get them to stop chasing him. That doesn't demonstrate a desire not to confront; rather, it demonstrates a desire to confront only until you learn that the person you're confronting has the means and willingness to defend himself.

Going to the safety of their own home is not an aggressive act

If only they had remained in the safety of their own home after retreating to it the first time! But then they went and spoiled that innocence by going out with a gun to hunt for and chase the silver car. That was an aggressive act.

EN&DA continued to aggressively pursue the green car

Continued? No. The green car had been aggressively pursuing the silver car. It's not possible for the silver car to have "continued" to pursue anybody, because until that point in time the silver car had not been pursuing anybody.

Example: One cant have a heated verbal altercation with someone at one location and one or both of the parties walk away from the confrontation, and then one of the parties goes over to the home afterwards

Right. So...... after the verbal altercation with the road rager, after both parties walked away from the confrontation, TM & BM should not have gone out to instigate another confrontation.

And they most certainly should not have instigated a confrontation with a person who wasn't even the road rager! They instigated a confrontation with a person who was sitting at the park minding his own business.

From the first shooting scene on there was no evidence that either Meyers wanted a confrontation.

BBM. We cannot limit our analysis of this case to events "from the first shooting scene on." The events leading up to the first shooting scene matter, and up until the first shooting scene, the Meyerses were absolutely the aggressors and there is evidence that they wanted a confrontation. Else they would have stayed home.
 
  • #973
We certainly see he can take care of himself...

Without getting into disagreements on the finer points of what you say, I want to say that I broadly agree with you on some of the points that you made, but more importantly I appreciate your tone and detailing rationale in what you are saying. :)
 
  • #974
Did you magnify it and compare it to the google map street view? The garbage can in front of the person in the driveway is located next to the house on the right side of EN's house. I understand you and others might not see it, but I see it clear as day. I didn't think much of it when I first noticed it. I simply thought it could have been an ear witness. After the GJ transcript and my realizing it was EN's house, I realized it is extremely relevant.

I'm looking forward to seeing a longer version of the video too. There's so much more information that we'd learn. I'm not even talking 10 minutes. Give us an entire 30 minutes of from that camera. Will we ever be allowed to see what evidence they use in court without actually going to court ourselves?

Yes, that could be highly relevant in showing how that EN returned home first or that for instance if there was a second car that the driver from that went to EN's home to protect EN's home in case the Buick came by to attack EN's family. For me it isn't clear that it isn't a shadow, but if there was another person out on the street at EN's home standing outside that could make for a very different case than what we have now (though I would still expect a serious felony conviction, just something like having a person stand guard or dropping a person off to stand guard would show that EN was trying to protect his home as far as M1 was concerned...and if a person was there, that would give EN less reason to stay at his home rather than drive by it).
 
  • #975
Continued? No. The green car had been aggressively pursuing the silver car. It's not possible for the silver car to have "continued" to pursue anybody, because until that point in time the silver car had not been pursuing anybody.

The only time when the desire to pursue Buick happened around the time the Audi did a U-turn somewhere along Alta after EN may or may not have seen the Buick on Carmel Peak. Other than that we just have Andrews driving on Alta towards the direction of Andrews' own home and EN giving Andrews directions to EN's own home. I don't think EN arrived on Mt Shasta by accident, but that the decision to go looking for the Buick was within seconds of them finding the Buick rather than that they were attempting a parallel chase between the cars on Alta and Cherry River right after they left Villa Monterey.
 
  • #976
Yes, that could be highly relevant in showing how that EN returned home first or that for instance if there was a second car that the driver from that went to EN's home to protect EN's home in case the Buick came by to attack EN's family. For me it isn't clear that it isn't a shadow, but if there was another person out on the street at EN's home standing outside that could make for a very different case than what we have now (though I would still expect a serious felony conviction, just something like having a person stand guard or dropping a person off to stand guard would show that EN was trying to protect his home as far as M1 was concerned...and if a person was there, that would give EN less reason to stay at his home rather than drive by it).
The bolded is where I'm at. I've drawn a conclusion that is completely different from everyone here, which makes it difficult for me to passionately involve myself in the discussions I have completely ruled out on my own. I'm comfortably sitting here with my theory in utter contentment with no urge to sway anyone. I can't even talk about the case everyone else is talking about because the talk isn't the same case I see. I'll jump in for an aspect here and there---such as BM running away doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

I anticipate it impacts on the case in many ways. For example, the prosecutor could claim it is evidence of a premeditated conspiracy. And having a whole crew there doesn't look favorably on EN. The defense would have to work hard to help the jury understand his motives as defensive in my conclusion. I doubt the prosecution or the defense will pursue this. It ruins all of the prosecutions theories and presents major challenges for the defense. I'll be surprised if either side brings this up in court.
 
  • #977
The bolded is where I'm at. I've drawn a conclusion that is completely different from everyone here, which makes it difficult for me to passionately involve myself in the discussions I have completely ruled out on my own. I'm comfortably sitting here with my theory in utter contentment with no urge to sway anyone. I can't even talk about the case everyone else is talking about because the talk isn't the same case I see. I'll jump in for an aspect here and there---such as BM running away doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

I anticipate it impacts on the case in many ways. For example, the prosecutor could claim it is evidence of a premeditated conspiracy. And having a whole crew there doesn't look favorably on EN. The defense would have to work hard to help the jury understand his motives as defensive in my conclusion. I doubt the prosecution or the defense will pursue this. It ruins all of the prosecutions theories and presents major challenges for the defense. I'll be surprised if either side brings this up in court.

Your theory could be right. But honestly, I don't think it's all that different from what's already been discussed. Two incidents -- road rage and shootings. Yep, we got that. We don't all believe it, but it's been discussed to death. Two cars? Yep, we discussed that possibility during your hiatus. I'm undecided on that. EN mentioned to Mogg that he called "a couple of friends," so it's certainly possible that two showed up. TM & BM armed up & went out looking for the silver car they were after.... check, we got that.

I think the biggest difference is that your theory says that EN had a "crew" out there that night. If the blob you see on the surveillance footage turns out to be a person in front of EN's house, I'd say you might well be right. If he had two friends with cars show up, plus someone standing watch in his front yard, I would say that qualifies as a "crew." I'm not ready to embrace that theory yet, but it has a certain appeal. Perhaps this whole confrontation was a pre-planned confrontation between EN and BM. Maybe EN even knew that BM was going to come after him that night, and he was ready for it. Or, he only "crewed up" when he saw the green car lurking over at the school.

If EN was prepared with a "crew," it definitely would put him in a worse position vis-a-vis any self-defense claim.
 
  • #978
I think the biggest difference is that your theory says that EN had a "crew" out there that night. If the blob you see on the surveillance footage turns out to be a person in front of EN's house, I'd say you might well be right. If he had two friends with cars show up, plus someone standing watch in his front yard, I would say that qualifies as a "crew." I'm not ready to embrace that theory yet, but it has a certain appeal. Perhaps this whole confrontation was a pre-planned confrontation between EN and BM. Maybe EN even knew that BM was going to come after him that night, and he was ready for it. Or, he only "crewed up" when he saw the green car lurking over at the school.

If EN was prepared with a "crew," it definitely would put him in a worse position vis-a-vis any self-defense claim.
I think he only "crewed up" when his paranoia made him afraid of the green car. I agree it puts him in a worse position.

My biggest question is if the DA dares change his story AGAIN. First he says there was one car road raging and shooting. Then he says they are two separate cars and two UNRELATED incidents. Can he dare to now say there are two separate cars and they're related? How many times can this man change his story before the trial and be believable since all of his other stories are part of the evidence via transcripts? Then again, he claims he's still looking for the road rage guy in the sketch. Maybe he plans to go down the "crew" road when he has more evidence supporting it.

I still believe EN acted in self defense. TM didn't need to chase the Audi at high speeds, and BM certainly didn't need to brandish his handgun. Their intent validates EN's fears were justified. If the M's had indicated they knew EN, that there was a prior conflict, death threats from days prior, it would be different. But they gave no reasonable reason for their actions that night. I'm talking about what they say officially, not what RM spews in the media.
 
  • #979
Re: 20 sec. B&W surv cam clip here, at end of article, dated Feb16.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rder-mother-just-teaching-daughter-drive.html

Q1. supposedly the car (described several ways, commonly 'silver Audi') LE was looking for the first day or 2, right?

Q2. supposedly where ppl say they see a flood-light type light (the kind LE or taxis or pizza delivery cars have attached at driver door/front pillar), right?

If so, is it poss, light is not attached to car at driver door/front pillar? Y or N?
IMO, looks like it could be a light being hand-held by back-seat passenger, on driver side?
Q3A. Possibility: hand held flashlight? Y or N?
Q3B. Possibility: light attached to gun? Y or N?

Q4:BTW, is this where ppl say they see someone standing in driveway? Or is that another vid?

Anyone? Thx in adv.
 
  • #980
I think he only "crewed up" when his paranoia made him afraid of the green car. I agree it puts him in a worse position.

My biggest question is if the DA dares change his story AGAIN. First he says there was one car road raging and shooting. Then he says they are two separate cars and two UNRELATED incidents. Can he dare to now say there are two separate cars and they're related? How many times can this man change his story before the trial and be believable since all of his other stories are part of the evidence via transcripts? Then again, he claims he's still looking for the road rage guy in the sketch. Maybe he plans to go down the "crew" road when he has more evidence supporting it.

I still believe EN acted in self defense. TM didn't need to chase the Audi at high speeds, and BM certainly didn't need to brandish his handgun. Their intent validates EN's fears were justified. If the M's had indicated they knew EN, that there was a prior conflict, death threats from days prior, it would be different. But they gave no reasonable reason for their actions that night.

I think the DA's biggest problem is in deciding to charge EN before he had all the facts. He's been committed to a course of action since Feb. 19, and I think he feels like he's stuck with that decision. As the Meyers' stories have changed, the DA has modified his position to accommodate that information, but it sure doesn't feel right.

I totally agree that there were not two separate cars and two unrelated incidents. Either there was no road rage, or the road rage was related to the chase and shootout with EN. You and I are on opposite sides of the either-or part, but we definitely see eye-to-eye on the unrelated incidents part. No way no how did the Meyerses happen to mix it up with two unrelated silver sedans that night. Didn't happen. If the DA expects any jury to buy that, he's going to be disappointed. IMO, JMO, MOO and all that jazz.
 
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