GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[Miss Muffet]

Since Jongepier was arrested for assaulting someone with a deadly weapon immediately after leaving the police tape crowd when Nowsch was arrested, are we allowed to discuss him and what's available via social media?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Who all lives at Nowsch's house? Is it just his mother, her baby and him? Is there a father for that baby living at that house? Does he have other older siblings? What do we know about the Nowsch family?

AFAIK just the members you describe and the mom has a respectable corporate job.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Do you read that last part as the people of the neighborhood who refuse to speak on record believe there could be a gang motive behind TM's death?

Yes. Also notice that the article says the Alta Block gang is center around centered around the Ansan Sister City Park. That's interesting because just 30 minutes ago I showed my son a map of the neighborhood for the first time and he instantly said "You gotta be kidding me?" and pointed at the park.

I asked my son how a normal group of kids, like his friends when he was growing up, could suddenly become a real gang. I asked him to imagine if they sat around and suddenly decided to arm themselves.

He said it would only happen in a few scenarios. 1) One of them would have to be raised by a family with a father that was involved in gang activity at some point in his life. (He said it's rare when it's the mother except in certain nationalities). The kids would have to have a mature influence teaching this was acceptable behavior. Sort of a leader or mentor; or 2) There's was real gang nearby that started intimidating them and caused them to arm up to protect themselves.

He said the only way a group of normal kids who happened to have access to weapons would suddenly go off as a group to be vigilantes is if something awful happened to one of their friends, like one of their friend's sisters was raped.

 

[PaperDoll]

I took this pic from the school parking lot so you can see the park. This apparently is the lot the Buick was driving in and the park is right across the street.

 

[PaperDoll]

Another view of the park in the same parking lot. The picture above is the when I was driving out the lot and onto Villa Monterey. This picture is in the middle of the school parking lot:

 

[SeeAlice]

What do we know about Alta Block? What do we know about this Jeremy Jongepier?

What type of car does he own? What does he look like?

Let's revisit this article because Selig is not the only source mentioned about Alta Block:

There's more in the article about Jongepier than I am quoting.

Alls I know is it started out reported as being the Alpha Gang.

 

[Miss Muffet]

AFAIK just the members you describe and the mom has a respectable corporate job.

That means it's unlikely a brother standing in the driveway.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Alls I know is it started out reported as being the Alpha Gang.

Thanks. I'll look at that too.

 

[SeeAlice]

Since Jongepier was arrested for assaulting someone with a deadly weapon immediately after leaving the police tape crowd when Nowsch was arrested, are we allowed to discuss him and what's available via social media?

Allegedly, and the "crime" was reported hours later by Stan the Man whose credibility ranks right up there with the family spokesman.

JMO

 

[Hiandmighty]

Since Jongepier was arrested for assaulting someone with a deadly weapon immediately after leaving the police tape crowd when Nowsch was arrested, are we allowed to discuss him and what's available via social media?

I hope we can because his GF says the "gun" was a cellphone and IIRC Jongepier was calling 911 on the nrighbor.

 

[PaperDoll]

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...-mom-dies-in-apparent-road-rage-shooting.html
Police said when the pair arrived home, they asked a family member with a gun for help. Minutes later, Meyers' husband said someone in the car pulled up and opened fire, shooting Meyers in the head, while one of her sons returned fire.

This is a small snippet of the story. There has been many evolutions. This was pretty much the first and more details came out that were not specifically in the above story. The M's said KM ran into the house to get BM and just as article says, he came onto the front lawn with his gun and fired. The M's said that BM had been sleeping.

I've not read these early articles in a long time and now I have even more questions about what happened and why. Even then, if you really analyze that story, it makes no sense. If KM had time to go into the house, wake her brother and then he goes in granny's drawers for the gun, why would TM be outside if she was scared. Why not in the house dialing 911? The silver car is described as arriving "minutes later". I think that seasoned detectives looked at this story and saw everything didn't add up IMO.

IMO I believe the media who reports all this isn't fully knowledgeable with what happened, plus they are only allowed so many minutes to air this so I think they will leave what they choose out of the report. Second, there is going to be some disconnect in stories, one person says this, another says that but maybe giving different versions to different police officers, but yet when you piece them all together at the end, it may make more sense. For instance, when KM was dropped off at the house after the road rage incident, maybe she went in to tell her "brothers" doesn't she have 2? So BM is the one who tried to get his mom to call 911 but ended up packing his gun and going out with her. The other brother, maybe he was sleeping but was woken up by the commotion going on and decided to get a gun, too?????

IMO I think the main pieces fit when I read the police report and GJ Transcript. I don't get the impression anyone is lying, not even EN.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Allegedly, and the "crime" was reported hours later by Stan the Man whose credibility ranks right up there with the family spokesman.

Yes, I'm aware Stan's credibility is questionable. But if you read the article, it cites many sources in the neighborhood who were afraid to go on record.

If you read the article, Jongepier and Nowsch claim they are affiliated with each other. This is according to the Gang Crimes and Gang Narcotics bureau (below). That indicates Jongepier and Nowsch acknowledged having an affiliation to LE.

Since the Gang Crimes Bureau and Gang Narcotics Bureau at Las Vegas Metropolitan Police seem to now be involved, it appears LE is investigating if the gang is real as LE said they would.

Jongepier had been initially detained by police, Lieutenant Bobby Smith of the Gang Crimes Bureau and Gang Narcotics Bureau at Las Vegas Metropolitan Police told reporters he and Nowsch were 'claiming some type of affiliation' with each other.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ld-said-buying-Xanax-years.html#ixzz3UrT3XRsy

 

[BellaVita]

Having a photo of a gun on FB means nothing, imo. Countless FB members, including women and men... have photos of guns, both long guns and handguns. With over 100 million legal gun owners in the US who possesses over 250 million firearms it isn't uncommon for some of their weapons to be put on their FB page. There is nothing illegal about having a photo of a legally obtained weapon.

I don't think it shows BM is a badass at all. The evidence in this case doesn't support it either. If he truly was a hothead and badass as you imply he would have jumped at the first chance to fire his weapon when he and his mom were first being shot at. But that didn't happen. In fact it shows he has control over his emotions even in traumatic times. Even when fired upon.. he and his mom knew the best thing to do is try to flee and make it to their home for safety.

We certainly know who the real badass is in this case. The one who boasted he had murdered kids. Yep, I will agree......EN was tougher than Brandon. Most who boast they are in a gang who has the street name of Baby G or something similiar and sell drugs like it is a flea market sale are usually much tougher than those who do not participate in such activities.

It really shows that Brandon wasn't there to hurt anyone when they were first shot at. I imagine the bullet may have fallen out on to the car seat if he checked his magazine while in the car.

Taking a legally obtained gun for protection never means the person has intentions of using it. Millions of CWP owners carry their weapon every day but most never have to use it against another person. It is only used when the CWP owner feels his/her life is in danger or someone else's life is in danger.
Brandon showed great restraint even when being fired upon. EN did not and even fired repeatedly at someone who he knew wasn't even firing at him.

I actually agree with much of your post. But BM is a hothead by his own admission as related by himself on his FB page. I feel he did have an inflated view of his prowess with a weapon and was in over his head and realized it too late. The M's have now told us of THREE road rage incidents they've been involved in during a short space in time. That's a pattern and not a good one. That doesn't happen so frequently in the lives of normal people. IMO.

The part BBM: I agree that law abiding people never intend to use their gun unless absolutely necessary. However, I have always been taught that once you draw your weapon, you'd better be prepared and educated enough to use it properly and efficiently. If you are reacting to a situation in which you feel it necessary to carry an unholstered gun, then that is the perfect time to call 911. And if that is the point you are at, you better know how to load the gun quickly.

There was at least two hotheads in the M family that night. BM who previously identified himself as such and if you believe that BM tells the truth, TM was involved in two different road rage incidents that involved her wanting to chase the other driver down. BM says she chased one right to the guy's front yard.

 

[Miss Muffet]

PaperDoll, thanks for those great pictures!

 

[PaperDoll]

PaperDoll, thanks for those great pictures!

You are welcome MM I wanted you guys to see the park from the school parking lot. I'm not sure where EN was standing when he said "when I go left, the car went left: etc.. Also at night it would be hard to make out a person even though there are lights in the park and I'm sure the school parking lot, but you most likely can make out a human form but not details.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

SStarr I wasn't avoiding this question you asked me last night, I just wanted to be sure I can give you a correct time frame so I drove it again on my way home from the gym The whole route from where the 1st shooting was, (Alta/Cimarron/Cherry River/Mt. Shasta) it would take approx. 40 seconds depending on traffic, however I doubt there was much at that time of night. From where the Buick was when they backed up to head home on Cherry River, approx. 20 seconds. From Alta to Carmel Peak, 10 seconds then maybe 5 seconds to get to Mt. Shasta. So I'm going to guess on this time frame: from the 1st shooting to the 2nd shooting I'm going to say it happened within a 45 second time frame.

To me 20 seconds still seems like an incredibly long time not to have vacated the car by then and been inside. I tested it myself where I used a stopwatch from inside my garage with my car door closed from the driver's side. I then ran the long way around behind my car, opened the door inside to simulate that part and was able to run the length of my downstairs to getting to my stairs, ran up my stairs and before 20 seconds were up I had already used up all the space I had and stopped running. The average walking speed of a senior citizen is about 4 feet a second, which even if TM's fastest speed was a senior citizen speed walk due to some mobility issues and also giving 10 seconds seconds to get out of the car for those same mobility issues, TM would have been 40 feet away from the car. It is RM rather than TM that has known disabilities, but even if TM has similar mobility issues 20 seconds is awfully long time to still be in the car.

http://www.usroads.com/journals/p/rej/9710/re971001.htm

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Since Jongepier was arrested for assaulting someone with a deadly weapon immediately after leaving the police tape crowd when Nowsch was arrested, are we allowed to discuss him and what's available via social media?

I believe Bessie posted previously that it was OK

 

[Miss Muffet]

You are welcome MM I wanted you guys to see the park from the school parking lot. I'm not sure where EN was standing when he said "when I go left, the car went left: etc.. Also at night it would be hard to make out a person even though there are lights in the park and I'm sure the school parking lot, but you most likely can make out a human form but not details.

I agree it would be very difficult to see who was in the park at night, just that there was someone there, especially since he says he was moving around. Movement makes it easier to see things in the dark, and the human figure is easy to distinguish.

Not to send you off to take more pictures, but I wonder what the view of the school parking lot looks like from the park.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Yes. Also notice that the article says the Alta Block gang is center around centered around the Ansan Sister City Park. That's interesting because just 30 minutes ago I showed my son a map of the neighborhood for the first time and he instantly said "You gotta be kidding me?" and pointed at the park.

I asked my son how a normal group of kids, like his friends when he was growing up, could suddenly become a real gang. I asked him to imagine if they sat around and suddenly decided to arm themselves.

He said it would only happen in a few scenarios. 1) One of them would have to be raised by a family with a father that was involved in gang activity at some point in his life. (He said it's rare when it's the mother except in certain nationalities). The kids would have to have a mature influence teaching this was acceptable behavior. Sort of a leader or mentor; or 2) There's was real gang nearby that started intimidating them and caused them to arm up to protect themselves.

He said the only way a group of normal kids who happened to have access to weapons would suddenly go off as a group to be vigilantes is if something awful happened to one of their friends, like one of their friend's sisters was raped.

With the Gaule case that has been discussed here previously, that happened only about a mile away from EN/TM's homes. I think that neighborhood has been slowly turning into a bad neighborhood.

 

[SeeAlice]

IMO I believe the media who reports all this isn't fully knowledgeable with what happened, plus they are only allowed so many minutes to air this so I think they will leave what they choose out of the report. Second, there is going to be some disconnect in stories, one person says this, another says that but maybe giving different versions to different police officers, but yet when you piece them all together at the end, it may make more sense. For instance, when KM was dropped off at the house after the road rage incident, maybe she went in to tell her "brothers" doesn't she have 2? So BM is the one who tried to get his mom to call 911 but ended up packing his gun and going out with her. The other brother, maybe he was sleeping but was woken up by the commotion going on and decided to get a gun, too?????

IMO I think the main pieces fit when I read the police report and GJ Transcript. I don't get the impression anyone is lying, not even EN.

Allegedly 3 brothers: RobtJr, BrM, & MM.