GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[newone]

Remind me, please. in the GJ transcript, at the first shooting sight didn't EN say he shot up? Not back?

that's what I read too...yet BM said shots were fired at the Buick ((no word on any bullet damage to that car from what I have read)) MOO

 

[LancelotLink]

that's what I read too...yet BM said shots were fired at the Buick ((no word on any bullet damage to that car from what I have read)) MOO

You can bet the media swarmed the car looking for damage. All they came up with was a missing piece of plastic, which was also dismissed.
No, for a car to have sustained as much damaged as we are to believe, i.e. sideswiped, shot at, front and back, not one bullet hole. All scratches accounted for by owner.

 

[jjenny]

that's what I read too...yet BM said shots were fired at the Buick ((no word on any bullet damage to that car from what I have read)) MOO

They found bullet castings at the scene form .45 caliber weapon. So, it would appear multiple shots were fired at the Buick but missed.

 

[newone]

They found bullet castings at the scene form .45 caliber weapon. So, it would appear multiple shots were fired at the Buick but missed.

I am guessing that by shooting skywards EN didn't have a hope of hitting the buick.....and there many at that scene (1st one) IIRC

 

[jjenny]

I am guessing that by shooting skywards EN didn't have a hope of hitting the buick.....and there many at that scene (1st one) IIRC

I re-read the grand jury transcript and he didn't claim to be shooting skywards.

 

[jjenny]

Remind me, please. in the GJ transcript, at the first shooting sight didn't EN say he shot up? Not back?

No, he didn't say he shot up.

 

[BellaVita]

I happen to agree with LE and believe him.

I can't figure out why BM would tell a story like that about his mother. He certainly paints her as having terrible judgment. Whether the story is true or not, I'd never tell it voluntarily if I cared about my deceased mom's reputation. The M's certainly do not understand what is normal and what is not. They actually think that it is acceptable and normal to engage in multiple pursuits of drivers and pedestrians who make them mad. Even KM with the alleged horn honking. The M's are just plain weird and not very bright. Like the Anthony family. But it worked out for them, maybe it will work out for the M's.

 

[newone]

No, he didn't say he shot up.

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

[pg 98

''one point he was waving his pistol out the passenger
window of the car that he was in up in the air and he
couldn't believe that the car that was behind him didn't
see that and stop and just go away. So he said we got
down to the end of the road where the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
was, and that was the markings on the roadway from the
cartridge casings and the cartridge that was recovered
during the late evening, early morning hours of the 12th
and 13th at Villa Monterey and Alta.''


det testimony

 

[BellaVita]

I wonder if somebody hanging out in the park allegedly selling drugs could be considered a "reasonable" person to begin with?

Have you never heard of a drug dealer being involved in a shooting and being acquitted on self-defense grounds? It happens, you know. I've seen it multiple times just on the tv show "The First 48". Dealers acquitted in a shooting. Obviously a judge or jury judged them to be reasonable. So there's your answer.

 

[jjenny]

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

[pg 98

''one point he was waving his pistol out the passenger
window of the car that he was in up in the air and he
couldn't believe that the car that was behind him didn't
see that and stop and just go away. So he said we got
down to the end of the road where the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
was, and that was the markings on the roadway from the
cartridge casings and the cartridge that was recovered
during the late evening, early morning hours of the 12th
and 13th at Villa Monterey and Alta.''


det testimony

Waiving pistol up in the air at one point isn't the same as shooting up in the air.

 

[sonjay]

Exactly!! So DDA will say the "road rage" incident is irrelevant and not admissible in this trial...Judge agrees! hmm

Then how will they explain being out looking for someone and carrying a gun?? isn't this conspiracy to commit murder?

Can a jury convict DA/EN with not allowing the BS road rage story?

HELP!

Is there somewhere that it says the judge agrees the "road rage" is irrelevant and inadmissible?

I would think the defense would have the latitude to explore the road rage story in court as part of EN's defense. Especially since the road rage story is in the official GJ transcripts and is the ostensible reason that BM &TM went out that night in the green car with BM's gun. And is the ostensible reason they chased the silver car that EN was in.

The prosecution may wish to ignore that story, but I don't think the defense will allow it to be ignored.

 

[ModMaiden]

Derrick Andrews, 26, arrested on suspicion of murder in the death of Tammy Meyers in Las Vegas

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-vegas-second-suspect-tammy-meyers-20150320-story.html

 

[sonjay]

I can't figure out why BM would tell a story like that about his mother. He certainly paints her as having terrible judgment. Whether the story is true or not, I'd never tell it voluntarily if I cared about my deceased mom's reputation. The M's certainly do not understand what is normal and what is not. They actually think that it is acceptable and normal to engage in multiple pursuits of drivers and pedestrians who make them mad. Even KM with the alleged horn honking. The M's are just plain weird and not very bright. Like the Anthony family. But it worked out for them, maybe it will work out for the M's.

Every version of their story so far paints TM as having pretty bad judgment. It appears that she's passed that along to her kids. KM shouldn't have learned that it's okay to reach over and honk the horn at someone just because you feel like their driving needs to be "corrected," and BM should have refused to arm up and go with his mom to hunt down someone whose driving she didn't like. Bad judgment seems to be the norm in that household.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

yes ..... and a side effect of that choice would have to be a bit of paranoia I would think......MOO

just want to clarify.....I see your point

Which was beside point whether or not a jury would find that a reasonable person would be fearful having an armed car pull up behind you and chase you. Following people in a way that a reasonable person would feel frightened for their safety is the crime of stalking.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Where is the information coming from that the DA is going to leave the part out about K&T being threatened by the spikey haired dude?

Imo, he will not do so. He will lay the case out from beginning to end through Kristal and Brandon's testimony even showing the composite drawing of the other tall slender male. In his opening is when he will explain that this murder was due to mistaken identity.

There would be no bullets to the Myers vehicle at the first location. Brandon said they were around two blocks back from the DA/EN vehicle when they were fired upon. Not that it would matter anyway since the bullet casings belonging to EN were left at the scene. The shooting of the gun at anyone is an act of aggression. And no where does he say that he sees a weapon being pointed at him when he fired the first time. Good grief, it could have been grandpa and grandma coming home in the same direction for all EN knew.

His paranoia got the best of him. Imo, he never saw any gun at the school parking lot. What he saw was a vehicle driving slowly in it and circling around over and over again which is totally consistent to TM giving driving lessons to her daughter.

So I certainly do feel the road rage incident will come in to this trial and see no reason why the DA would want to keep it out either. It was part of the events that happened that night. The DA is not going to start in the middle and go from there. They never do. They layout every event that happened that night from beginning to end. This case will be no different.

 

[SStarr33]

Exactly!! So DDA will say the "road rage" incident is irrelevant and not admissible in this trial...Judge agrees! hmm

Then how will they explain being out looking for someone and carrying a gun?? isn't this conspiracy to commit murder?

Can a jury convict DA/EN with not allowing the BS road rage story?

HELP!

No way they will leave that out

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Which was beside point whether or not a jury would find that a reasonable person would be fearful having an armed car pull up behind you and chase you. Following people in a way that a reasonable person would feel frightened for their safety is the crime of stalking.

How did he know the occupants had a gun before he shot at them? Why would he even believe they did yet he says they shot no shots toward him when he repeatedly fired. Its obvious he didn't recognize Tammy's vehicle since he says he thought he killed some kids.

And they weren't even right up close to him when he fired. If the Myers really wanted a gun battle they would have come up very close and opened fire themselves.

There is a world of difference in someone taking a legally owned gun for protection and not firing it than someone who had an illegal weapon and was trying to mow people down in two different locations by repeated fire.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No way they will leave that out

Of course the DA will not leave that out and I am puzzled why anyone would think he would.

 

[BellaVita]

The shooting of the gun at anyone is an act of aggression. And no where does he say that he sees a weapon being pointed at him when he fired the first time.

YES HE DOES. KK's GJ testimony:

Also shared that there was a gun being waved out of the
car, didn't specify what window. At that point he sees
a gun, pulls his gun out and fires.

 

[BellaVita]

How did he know the occupants had a gun before he shot at them? Why would he even believe they did yet he says they shot no shots toward him when he repeatedly fired.
.

From KK's GJ testimony:

Also shared that there was a gun being waved out of the
car, didn't specify what window. At that point he sees
a gun, pulls his gun out and fires.