GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[Miss Muffet]

Re: 20 sec. B&W surv cam clip here, at end of article, dated Feb16.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rder-mother-just-teaching-daughter-drive.html

Q1. supposedly the car (described several ways, commonly 'silver Audi') LE was looking for the first day or 2, right?

Q2. supposedly where ppl say they see a flood-light type light (the kind LE or taxis or pizza delivery cars have attached at driver door/front pillar), right?

If so, is it poss, light is not attached to car at driver door/front pillar? Y or N?
IMO, looks like it could be a light being hand-held by back-seat passenger, on driver side?
Q3A. Possibility: hand held flashlight? Y or N?
Q3B. Possibility: light attached to gun? Y or N?

Q4:BTW, is this where ppl say they see someone standing in driveway? Or is that another vid?

Anyone? Thx in adv.

It's the same video. If you look at the picture pulled from that video and magnify it, it's clear to me there is a person in the driveway. The first time I saw it, I didn't realize it was EN's driveway, and I didn't know more than one car had shown up to pick up EN. Now that I realize those things, I feel the person in the driveway is significant.

The spotlight appears to be coming from the driver's window. I revisited the video and can see how you'd think it's coming from the back when viewing it in the second picture and second half of the video as the car has passed the camera, but it's clearly coming from the front seat in the first part of the video as the car is approaching the camera.

I believe the spotlight is a handheld spotlight for hunting, similar to what LE has on their cars only handheld. A gun spotlight would mean it had to be a rifle, and I can't imagine the driver holding a rifle out the window as a spotlight while driving at the same time.

I have to admit that the spotlight alone makes it appear to be fairly planned out. How many Audi drivers keep spotlights in their car? I don't know anything about game in Vegas to know if hunters keep spotlights in their cars there. It's illegal to spotlight deer in Pennsylvania, but that doesn't mean people don't do it. Does Vegas have deer? I know it's a stupid question, but it's the desert right?

 

[sonjay]

Re: 20 sec. B&W surv cam clip here, at end of article, dated Feb16.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rder-mother-just-teaching-daughter-drive.html

Q1. supposedly the car (described several ways, commonly 'silver Audi') LE was looking for the first day or 2, right?

Q2. supposedly where ppl say they see a flood-light type light (the kind LE or taxis or pizza delivery cars have attached at driver door/front pillar), right?

If so, is it poss, light is not attached to car at driver door/front pillar? Y or N?
IMO, looks like it could be a light being hand-held by back-seat passenger, on driver side?
Q3A. Possibility: hand held flashlight? Y or N?
Q3B. Possibility: light attached to gun? Y or N?

Q4:BTW, is this where ppl say they see someone standing in driveway? Or is that another vid?

Anyone? Thx in adv.

Heh. I'm terrible at seeing things in grainy videos. I had to watch that clip several times after Miss Muffet pointed out the spotlight before I could even see that! Fixed spotlight, handheld flashlight, front seat, back seat... I have no idea.

The person-standing-in-driveway (if that's what it is) is in the 2nd, bottom photo (which actually happens chronologically just before the top photo). Look behind the car (left) -- see what looks like a trash can sitting by the curb? There's a dark blob extending upward above the trash can, to the left of the driveway. For the life of me, it just looks like a shadowy blob to me. It could be a person. Miss Muffet is convinced it is. I just can't tell.

Miss Muffet, do I have that right, the blob that you think is a person?

 

[Miss Muffet]

I totally agree that there were not two separate cars and two unrelated incidents. Either there was no road rage, or the road rage was related to the chase and shootout with EN. You and I are on opposite sides of the either-or part, but we definitely see eye-to-eye on the unrelated incidents part. No way no how did the Meyerses happen to mix it up with two unrelated silver sedans that night. Didn't happen. If the DA expects any jury to buy that, he's going to be disappointed. IMO, JMO, MOO and all that jazz.

Exactly. Totally agree.

 

[sonjay]

It's the same video. If you look at the picture pulled from that video and magnify it, it's clear to me there is a person in the driveway. The first time I saw it, I didn't realize it was EN's driveway, and I didn't know more than one car had shown up to pick up EN. Now that I realize those things, I feel the person in the driveway is significant.

The spotlight appears to be coming from the driver's window. I revisited the video and can see how you'd think it's coming from the back when viewing it in the second picture and second half of the video as the car has passed the camera, but it's clearly coming from the front seat in the first part of the video as the car is approaching the camera.

I believe the spotlight is a handheld spotlight for hunting, similar to what LE has on their cars only handheld. A gun spotlight would mean it had to be a rifle, and I can't imagine the driver holding a rifle out the window as a spotlight while driving at the same time.

I have to admit that the spotlight alone makes it appear to be fairly planned out. How many Audi drivers keep spotlights in their car? I don't know anything about game in Vegas to know if hunters keep spotlights in their cars there. It's illegal to spotlight deer in Pennsylvania, but that doesn't mean people don't do it. Does Vegas have deer? I know it's a stupid question, but it's the desert right?

Nah, you can attach flashlights to handguns. They're common enough, you can order them from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Flas...313499&sr=8-8&keywords=tactical+weapons+light

 

[Miss Muffet]

The person-standing-in-driveway (if that's what it is) is in the 2nd, bottom photo (which actually happens chronologically just before the top photo). Look behind the car (left) -- see what looks like a trash can sitting by the curb? There's a dark blob extending upward above the trash can, to the left of the driveway. For the life of me, it just looks like a shadowy blob to me. It could be a person. Miss Muffet is convinced it is. I just can't tell.

Miss Muffet, do I have that right, the blob that you think is a person?

LMAO! You have it right. I don't see a blob. I see a person standing behind the garbage/recycling can. He is wearing dark colored basketball shorts and a large t-shirt.

It's in the top left hand corner of the picture. Copy the picture URL, past it into it's own webpage. Then magnify it. My computer can magnify up to 1000%.

I verified that's EN's driveway. Those figures (the garbage/recycling can and the person) are not in google maps street view. The garbage can is located next to the neighbor's house in street view though.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Nah, you can attach flashlights to handguns. They're common enough, you can order them from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Flas...313499&sr=8-8&keywords=tactical+weapons+light

That's an intense spotlight being shined out the car window. Would that create as big of a spot as a spotlight? If so, then it could be a handgun. (A rifle would be a PITA as a driver.) It's definitely a handheld spotlight--if holding the spotlight itself or a handgun with a spotlight.

 

[sonjay]

LMAO! You have it right. I don't see a blob. I see a person standing behind the garbage/recycling can. He is wearing dark colored basketball shorts and a large t-shirt.

It's in the top left hand corner of the picture. Copy the picture URL, past it into it's own webpage. Then magnify it. My computer can magnify up to 1000%.

I verified that's EN's driveway. Those figures (the garbage/recycling can and the person) are not in google maps street view. The garbage can is located next to the neighbor's house in street view though.

The blob. Or, the person. Image is lightened but otherwise untouched.

 

[Miss Muffet]

The blob. Or, the person. Image is lightened but otherwise untouched.

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It's much clearer on my computer screen than that, but it's helps people know where to look on their own computers.

That's not a shadow, especially when taking into consideration the garbage/recycling can is found elsewhere on google street images.

You did pick up the left arm better than I did on my computer though. My son saw that arm, but I didn't until now.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Miss Muffet, do I have that right, the blob that you think is a person?

The blob was a slob on the job for the EN mob.

 

[sonjay]

It's much clearer on my computer screen than that, but it's helps people know where to look on their own computers. That's not a shadow.

Can you post the image from your machine, then? I enlarged this in photoshop and lightened it, and it's still just a blob to me. If you've got a clearer image, maybe it'll look like less of a blob and more like a person.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Can you post the image from your machine, then? I enlarged this in photoshop and lightened it, and it's still just a blob to me. If you've got a clearer image, maybe it'll look like less of a blob and more like a person.

I don't know how to upload images from my computer to WS. I'll try to recreate the image and save it to photoshop and post it tonight. Your image does show the left arm much better than I've seen it. It's not a terrible image.

 

[passionflower]

Thanks everyone for info. Oh my I just can't get caught up with his case at all.
I'm still confused................

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The blob. Or, the person. Image is lightened but otherwise untouched.

Seeing the image lighted I'm much more inclined to believe it is a person now. If EN had called two cars, I could see him sending the other one away to protect his house as he got into the Audi as I don't think a real long time transpired between EN getting in the Buick and him ending up on Cherry River.

 

[al66pine]

Thanks for your response, w my comments below in red. In your post, somebolding and sbm added by me.

In my earlier post above, I was trying to sort out
1. if car in this vid was the 'Car-of-Interest' LE searched for early on.
2. if car has flood/spot light attached or if poss someone in car c/h/bn using handheld light.
3. if LE locating car without light attached would lead them to conclude they had wrong car.
Still IDK.
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Miss Muffet's post:
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The spotlight appears to be coming from the driver's window. I revisited the video and can see how you'd think it's coming from the back when viewing it in the second picture and second half of the video as the car has passed the camera, but it's clearly coming from the front seat in the first part of the video as the car is approaching the camera.
On another viewing of vid, I think you c/b/right above origin of light- driver or back seat. Not sure.

I believe the spotlight is a handheld spotlight for hunting, similar to what LE has on their cars only handheld. A gun spotlight would mean it had to be a rifle, and I can't imagine the driver holding a rifle out the window as a spotlight while driving at the same time.
Not just rifles that have lights attached, can be done w handguns too, like below.

^ just random pic from searching images 'pistol w light attached.' Not trying to say any are like EN's gun (or BrM's gun, for that matter).
from this link: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...pvt=light+attached+to+pistol+images&FORM=IGRE

I have to admit that the spotlight alone makes it appear to be fairly planned out. How many Audi drivers keep spotlights in their car?
Respectfully disagreeing that spotlight necessarily strengthens argument for planning or pre-med.
Some. or many ppl carry spot or flood lights in car, some in glove box or front seat, some in trunk for changing tires, etc. But certainly could show planning.

I don't know anything about game in Vegas to know if hunters keep spotlights in their cars there. It's illegal to spotlight deer in Pennsylvania, but that doesn't mean people don't do it. Does Vegas have deer? I know it's a stupid question, but it's the desert right?
Deer in Vegas? City limits? IDK. Deer in desert, absolutely yes. Somewhere in the region, but doubt that it matters.
If LE stopped car for whatever reason and asked- 'what doing w spotlight', driver could say - 'just bought it, testing it for camping in state park next weekend .blah blah.'
Doubting even the dimmer bulbs on the chandelier would say- 'Officer, we're spotlighting deer to shoot in this subdivision this evening.'
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Again thanks for response. Lots us scratching our heads w many questions in this case.

 

[sonjay]

Doubting even the dimmer bulbs on the chandelier would say- 'Officer, we're spotlighting deer to shoot in this subdivision this evening.'

LOL!

On the other hand, if a silver Audi should be found with a spotlight, they might prefer to claim spotlighting deer if it gets them out of a murder charge! :thinking:

The penalties for hunting violations can be pretty steep, but it's gotta be a better than a murder rap. :shame:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I have to admit that the spotlight alone makes it appear to be fairly planned out. How many Audi drivers keep spotlights in their car?

I'm not sure what you mean by planned out as I doubt Andrews was going there planning on being chased. I also don't know what kind of driving he does or where he does, but I know in at least one of my parents they have a spotlight and they don't hunt, just they use it mostly when they're out in the desert.

Also one thing we don't know is who owned the Buick and how long and how frequently it had been to the Meyers. Given how it's in GJ testimony that Mogg talked to the owner of the Buick and was able to explain every scratch, it couldn't have been TM, KM, RM and it would be awfully strange if it was BM. That TM was driving it that night doesn't mean that she drove it with any frequency or that the car had been back in the neighborhood for any length of time with anyone driving it around there. It hasn't been established that there was any reason for EN to know that TM or any Meyers was in that car, just that TM was driving it that night.

 

[BellaVita]

Does anyone have or know of an arrest affidavit document that is able to be copied and pasted. I'm not able to do that using this link. I don't know why. Thanks.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

 

[Miss Muffet]

Respectfully disagreeing that spotlight necessarily strengthens argument for planning or pre-med.
Some. or many ppl carry spot or flood lights in car, some in glove box or front seat, some in trunk for changing tires, etc. But certainly could show planning.

Deer in Vegas? City limits? IDK. Deer in desert, absolutely yes. Somewhere in the region, but doubt that it matters.
If LE stopped car for whatever reason and asked- 'what doing w spotlight', driver could say - 'just bought it, testing it for camping in state park next weekend .blah blah.'

Doubting even the dimmer bulbs on the chandelier would say- 'Officer, we're spotlighting deer to shoot in this subdivision this evening.'

We have lots of deer within my city limits, but it has to be tough to be a deer in Vegas with all of those brick walls everywhere. I agree it doesn't prove premeditation, but I can imagine the DA claiming it does.

I'm not sure what you mean by planned out as I doubt Andrews was going there planning on being chased. I also don't know what kind of driving he does or where he does, but I know in at least one of my parents they have a spotlight and they don't hunt, just they use it mostly when they're out in the desert.

I don't think there is any proof yet that Andrews is THE friend who was driving during the shooting.

Also one thing we don't know is who owned the Buick and how long and how frequently it had been to the Meyers. Given how it's in GJ testimony that Mogg talked to the owner of the Buick and was able to explain every scratch, it couldn't have been TM, KM, RM and it would be awfully strange if it was BM. That TM was driving it that night doesn't mean that she drove it with any frequency or that the car had been back in the neighborhood for any length of time with anyone driving it around there. It hasn't been established that there was any reason for EN to know that TM or any Meyers was in that car, just that TM was driving it that night.

Mogg's referring to the owner as "the owner" gave me the impression it's the grandmother's car. It looks like a grandmother's car too. The reason I got that impression is because every other M family member would have reason to lie and say that the strip wasn't missing prior to the accident. Grandmother would likely be more honest when questioned by police because she wouldn't even understand the relevance. We know RM isn't the owner because he was on TV saying the strip was missing due to the accident, and Mogg said the owner accounted for everything that's wrong with the car as previous occurrences.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Does anyone have or know of an arrest affidavit document that is able to be copied and pasted. I'm not able to do that using this link. I don't know why. Thanks.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

That's because it's a picture of the document. I just type out what I wanted to share by opening up two windows side by side.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I don't think there is any proof yet that Andrews is THE friend who was driving during the shooting.

Andrews has already been publicly accused of being the 'getaway driver.' If he was just a passenger not only could he be acquitted, but he could sue for slander. That said, I am looking forward to seeing the GJ indictment against him and any evidence that specifically puts him at the wheel of a car rather than just as a passenger.

Mogg's referring to the owner as "the owner" gave me the impression it's the grandmother's car. It looks like a grandmother's car too. The reason I got that impression is because every other M family member would have reason to lie and say that the strip wasn't missing prior to the accident. Grandmother would likely be more honest when questioned by police because she wouldn't even understand the relevance. We know RM isn't the owner because he was on TV saying the strip was missing due to the accident, and Mogg said the owner accounted for everything that's wrong with the car as previous occurrences.

Mogg may have given that impression, but keep in mind the modification done to the car that RM said could have caused EN not to recognize it - tinting the windows - which doesn't seem like something that would be done and if she did tint the windows then she'd probably understand the relevance of the molding. Also with what RM said about EN not recognizing it, he said that the car was tinted months ago, which sounds like it could have been with the owner someplace else besides the Meyers in the months preceding this. I'm mostly getting at by all this is that those in the Buick could have recognized EN in the park, without EN recognizing the Buick given the modifications and possible extended absence of the car in the neighborhood before this with EN seeing the Buick as a general threat rather than a Meyers threat.