GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[Steleheart]

I don't know how to upload images from my computer to WS. I'll try to recreate the image and save it to photoshop and post it tonight. Your image does show the left arm much better than I've seen it. It's not a terrible image.

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[SStarr33]

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[Miss Muffet]

Andrews has already been publicly accused of being the 'getaway driver.' If he was just a passenger not only could he be acquitted, but he could sue for slander. That said, I am looking forward to seeing the GJ indictment against him and any evidence that specifically puts him at the wheel of a car rather than just as a passenger.

I'm not worried about slander. I'm pointing out he might not have even been in the car when the shootings occurred. He might have been the friend who showed up first and EN sent off without getting into the car with him. He might have been the friend standing in the driveway.

Mogg may have given that impression, but keep in mind the modification done to the car that RM said could have caused EN not to recognize it - tinting the windows - which doesn't seem like something that would be done and if she did tint the windows then she'd probably understand the relevance of the molding. Also with what RM said about EN not recognizing it, he said that the car was tinted months ago, which sounds like it could have been with the owner someplace else besides the Meyers in the months preceding this. I'm mostly getting at by all this is that those in the Buick could have recognized EN in the park, without EN recognizing the Buick given the modifications and possible extended absence of the car in the neighborhood before this with EN seeing the Buick as a general threat rather than a Meyers threat.

I don't think the buick is that unique. Lots of people drive cars that age and shape around where I live. In the dark, the color might not be noticeable as green. Maybe EN is color blind, has night vision problems, or whatever. There are many explanation why EN might not have recognized the car. His paranoia alone could have made him not realize it was the M's.

 

[SStarr33]

I'm not worried about slander. I'm pointing out that he might have been the friend who showed up first and EN sent off without getting into the car with him. Even if he was driving the shooting car, I think he has a really good chance of getting acquitted because it's going to be difficult for them to prove he was the driver of the shooting when EN had more than one car arrive.


I don't think the buick is that unique. Lots of people drive cars that age and shape around where I live. In the dark, the color might not be noticeable as green. Maybe EN is color blind, has night vision problems, or whatever. There are many explanation why EN might not have recognized the car. His paranoia alone could have made him not realize it was the M's.

I've got a feeling that EN told KK and her BF who was driving the Audi and Kk told LE

 

[Miss Muffet]

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Thanks to both of you! I don't have it saved on my computer. I'll work on that later and post it if it's better than what Sonjay shared.

 

[PaperDoll]

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

EN statement:
At that point he said
the car that was following him had stopped and actually
backed up and he and the other male drove westbound on
Alta towards Cimarron.

The M's are on Cherry River. EN is on Alta. The cars are paralleling each other on two different streets.

Yes, I know that is what I've been saying :crazy: Per Mogg, and myself, while EN was driving westbound on Alta, he looked down Carmel Peak and saw the Buick driving into the cul-de-sac and IMO that is why EN said "I can't believe this happening" etc... So the Audi makes a U-turn on Alta and heads back to Carmel Peak to Mt. Shasta, see's the Buick and fires... EN did not head home..

 

[SStarr33]

My hiatus allowed me to reformulate my opinion on this case without all of the background noise. My conclusion is the same, EN acted in self defense, but I've gone a completely different direction on how I get there.

My thoughts, theory, speculation and just wild imagination follows (with links at the end of post):

I can't shake the revelations in the GJ testimony that EN called multiple friends and more than one friend showed up to pick him up. Add to that my my discovery that someone is standing in EN's driveway in the surveillance video, and it seems EN had a crew in the neighborhood that night.

I always believed there were two incidents (road rage and shooting) but with one car---that car stopped and threatened the M's on the way to picking up the M's. Now I do believe there were two cars, and both cars were friends of EN's. After all, EN tells LE himself that more than one friend showed up to pick him up. That's proof there was more than one car in the area IMO. Sure, the first friend could have left, but that's unlikely since there is someone standing in EN's driveway immediately prior to the second shooting.

This very well could explain why the M's stories don't make sense. (I'm ignoring the first story entirely because it's not part of the arrest warrant or the grand jury testimony.) From the M's perspective, there were to different unrelated incidents with two different vehicles.

I believe EN was paranoid as hell. I've been around a paranoid person. Everything in the grand jury testimony indicates extreme paranoia. Add drugs to his paranoia, and an innocent driving lesson could have caused him to freak out and call friends, BUT it's irrelevant to me if TM and KM were having driving lessons or if (modsnip) The determining factor to me is who brandished their gun first and had an offensive intent.

EN's intent was defensive. He called his friends to get him away. He waited until he felt it was safe to leave the park before getting into the second car. If he had a friend standing in front of his house, that also indicates he feared for his family. (The friend who stopped and threatened the M's isn't EN's responsibility. He wasn't there. That friend took it upon himself to be on the offensive.) EN tried to flee the buick at high speeds. He did everything he could to make the buick go away. That's why he brandished his gun out the window.

But TM went home to get BM and his gun over a verbal threat that most people would consider all talk and no action. BM subsequently sharing that TM has done this before, chasing a gang member home for his rudeness, indicates it's TM's personality to go after people she feels wronged her. I can't understand why some here don't realize that story doesn't help the M's. (modsnip) Add BM brandishing his gun first per the arrest warrant, and all of this points to offensive actions on the M's part.

Without calling anyone liars or creating a fantasy story based on nothing in the warrant or grand jury testimony, it's still understandable to me that EN acted in self defense. The M's terrible errors of judgment and offensive actions caused TM's death.

I refuse to focus my attention only to what happened on Mt. Shasta because the entire string of events prior to Mt. Shasta are all part of one event that formulated everyone's intents and actions.

I'll add links:

Nowsch Arrest Warrant: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

Nowsch Grand Jury Transcript: http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

TM previously followed gang member home because he was rude: http://www.reviewjournal.com/column...n-tammy-meyers-was-mom-people-would-want-have

Surveillance video and pictures. Magnified, I can see someone standing in EN's driveway: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rder-mother-just-teaching-daughter-drive.html

That's a nice story, but now back it up with the law.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I've got a feeling that EN told KK and her BF who was driving the Audi and Kk told LE

It will be interesting to learn if that's the case. I still think Andrews can fight that. Even if he was driving the shooting car, I think he has a really good chance of getting acquitted because it's going to be difficult for them to prove he was the driver of the shooting when EN had more than one car arrive. I this regard, I don't think it's fair to Andrews to try EN and him together. Andrews has a lot to work with to get off---but it's stuff they might not want to bring up in EN's trial.

 

[PaperDoll]

To me, "this can't be happening, this can't be happening" doesn't sound like something that would be said by a bloodthirsty cold-blooded killer who, after cool and reflective deliberation, was on his way to go kill someone.

That sounds to me more like the shock and fear of someone who was in fear for his life after being chased by someone with a gun.

Then way on earth did he go to Mt. Shasta? If he was fearful for his life? This can't be happening was followed with Mogg say EN said he saw the Buick heading down the street and Mogg tells the GJ how he saw the Buick in accordance with where EN lives, where the Meyers live and the short cut to get to Mt. Shasta because that is where the Audi ended up, firing shots..

 

[SStarr33]

It will be interesting to learn if that's the case. I still think Andrews can fight that. Even if he was driving the shooting car, I think he has a really good chance of getting acquitted because it's going to be difficult for them to prove he was the driver of the shooting when EN had more than one car arrive. I this regard, I don't think it's fair to Andrews to try EN and him together. Andrews has a lot to work with to get off---but it's stuff they might not want to bring up in EN's trial.

I think Andrew is going to puke everything he knows.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think Andrew is going to puke everything he knows.

He has been well prepped to understand his rights and keep his mouth shut.

He consulted with an attorney a few times over the weeks prior to being arrested.

 

[SStarr33]

He has been well prepped to understand his rights and keep his mouth shut.

He consulted with an attorney a few times over the weeks prior to being arrested.

It really doesn't matter unless you can show how the story you came up with fits into the law

 

[Miss Muffet]

It really doesn't matter unless you can show how the story you came up with fits into the law

My story had nothing to do with Andrews or Andrews remaining silent, which is my post you quoted here. You are aware that Andrews' defense will be completely different from EN's defense, right?

But I have a great story about going to the mall today, and for the life of me I can't imagine how to explain it fits into the law even though I didn't break one law on my trip to the mall. Perhaps you can be more specific and elaborate which part of my story you want me to fit with the law.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Question: is there a pdf or something we can read of the warrant/criminal complaint on DA like the one we got to see on Erich? Also, I cannot wait to hear DA's story. I'm hoping his account will clear up some of the mysteries and inconsistencies this case is full of.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm not worried about slander. I'm pointing out he might not have even been in the car when the shootings occurred. He might have been the friend who showed up first and EN sent off without getting into the car with him. He might have been the friend standing in the driveway.

I'm pretty sure there'd be some huge problems if LE/DA themselves - rather than coming from the Meyers - say this was the getaway driver, just that their problems wouldn't end there.

Even if he was driving the shooting car, I think he has a really good chance of getting acquitted because it's going to be difficult for them to prove he was the driver of the shooting when EN had more than one car arrive. I this regard, I don't think it's fair to Andrews to try EN and him together. Andrews has a lot to work with to get off---but it's stuff they might not want to bring up in EN's trial.

I do wonder what the DA is trying to achieve by charging them both with M1 and Discharging a Firearm In A Vehicle. I don't see how with the other charges where with Andrews as the driver that he could be charged under Felony First Degree Murder as they aren't charged with Burglary, Robbery, etc that would qualify for allowing Felony M1 (neither Attempted Murder, Murder Conspiracy nor Discharging A Firearm are qualifying offenses in Nevada). The 'getaway driver' is a classic reference to Felony M1, so I don't get it as that applies to such things as the getaway driver in a bank robbery not ordinary M1. I raise these issues because even if you can get to M1 (I can theoretically make the case for ordinary M1 on the assumption that in the seconds beforehand that they had time enough to plot, etc. as others on here have made the case for EN individually on M1), but I don't see how it is technically possible with the Discharge as there's no way around that that I'm aware of unless they're going to be either saying there was multiple 45s fired and they don't know which 45 did it or that the DA isn't sure who had the single 45 that was fired and for the jury to pick one...that's what really throws me that they're both being charged with firing a gun in the car that night as that lesser charge against both of them calls into question the logic behind the greater charges against them.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Question: is there a pdf or something we can read of the warrant/criminal complaint on DA like the one we got to see on Erich? Also, I cannot wait to hear DA's story. I'm hoping his account will clear up some of the mysteries and inconsistencies this case is full of.

I'm looking forward to reading those documents too. Perhaps some pressure on the newspapers will inspire a reporter to find them to publish for us.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

So the Audi makes a U-turn on Alta and heads back to Carmel Peak to Mt. Shasta, see's the Buick and fires... EN did not head home..

The video footage released by the police shows the Audi driving by EN's home, so at some point the Audi had to have been going eastbound on Cherry River.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'm pretty sure there'd be some huge problems if LE/DA themselves - rather than coming from the Meyers - say this was the getaway driver, just that their problems wouldn't end there.

I can't imagine the M's being able to identify the driver at the shooting. BM is the only living witness, and he stated he did not see any of the car's occupants. The DA is claiming EN and DA deleting their contact info is some sort of proof, but I can imagine DA deleting EN's contact info all on his own even if he wasn't in the car that was used for the shooting. After EN was arrested, I'll bet all sorts of innocent people deleted EN from their contact info just out of fear of LE mistaking them as being involved.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Then way on earth did he go to Mt. Shasta? If he was fearful for his life?

So are you doubting the Meyer's story that they said they went back out because they were fearful of their life? It could be that EN and the Meyers broadly went out for the same reasons.

This can't be happening was followed with Mogg say EN said he saw the Buick heading down the street and Mogg tells the GJ how he saw the Buick in accordance with where EN lives, where the Meyers live and the short cut to get to Mt. Shasta because that is where the Audi ended up, firing shots..

But Mogg didn't testify that EN gave directions for Andrews to get to Mt Shasta with a shortcut. "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get to my house" is what Mogg said quoting EN.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Question: is there a pdf or something we can read of the warrant/criminal complaint on DA like the one we got to see on Erich? Also, I cannot wait to hear DA's story. I'm hoping his account will clear up some of the mysteries and inconsistencies this case is full of.

AFAIK it hasn't been released yet. The last one took about 10 days between the indictment and it being publicly released.