GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[jjenny]

I can't imagine the M's being able to identify the driver at the shooting. BM is the only living witness, and he stated he did not see any of the car's occupants. The DA is claiming EN and DA deleting their contact info is some sort of proof, but I can imagine DA deleting EN's contact info all on his own even if he wasn't in the car that was used for the shooting. After EN was arrested, I'll bet all sorts of innocent people deleted EN from their contact info just out of fear of LE mistaking them as being involved.

Just because DA deleted it from his cell phone, doesn't mean LE didn't recover the actual messages. There could be all kind of admissions in those messages.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Just because DA deleted it from his cell phone, doesn't mean LE didn't recover the actual messages. There could be all kind of admissions in those messages.

Yes, it will be good to know when the messages got deleted whether it was something that happened that night where they deleted things relatively quickly or if after the incident they continued texting for a period of days afterward before deleting as post-incident stuff could be way more juicy than pre-incident stuff.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Do we know they deleted messages? I only recall it said that they deleted each others contact information.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Do we know they deleted messages? I only recall it said that they deleted each others contact information.

It's vague what they deleted:

Nowsch and Andrews sped away, switched cars and then deleted each other from their cell phones “in an attempt to hide their communications,” Stanton said.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-s-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested

 

[SStarr33]

Do we know they deleted messages? I only recall it said that they deleted each others contact information.

When I delete a contact, everything goes with it.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It's vague what they deleted:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-s-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested

I interpreted that to mean they deleted their contact information. Perhaps it is vague. We'll find out eventually.

 

[Miss Muffet]

When I delete a contact, everything goes with it.

But that's not proof there were texts. Most people knows texts aren't permanently erased and can be retrieved from the cell phone provider. I'll bet a drug dealer knows that. Then again, I'm surprised they kept their phones. I would have taken a sledge hammer to it and thrown it in the river.

On a side note, I was looking at the wiki on the Billing's murders to learn the outcome, and the person who was charged with conspiracy to cover up the crimes received a sentence almost as long as the people who did plea deals, who IMO didn't get much of a deal.

 

[sonjay]

I think this is an interview that hasn't been posted here previously. I think it's from the past day or so:

http://ktnv.video.jrn.com/Attorney-reveals-new-details-in-Tammy-Meyers-shooting-28637246

Nothing really new, but EN's attorneys are officially pursuing the drug-deal-gone-bad scenario.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I think this is an interview that hasn't been posted here previously. I think it's from the past day or so:

http://ktnv.video.jrn.com/Attorney-reveals-new-details-in-Tammy-Meyers-shooting-28637246

Nothing really new, but EN's attorneys are officially pursuing the drug-deal-gone-bad scenario.

I think it's from before Andrews was arrested, but I hadn't seen it before. Another reveal in the video is that as of that time it was made EN still hadn't said much to his lawyers, which if he's still not talking to his own lawyers, I just really feel like there's something big lurking under the surface...in addition to what the DA itself has said, which hints at still waters running deep.

 

[sonjay]

I think it's from before Andrews was arrested, but I hadn't seen it before. Another reveal in the video is that as of that time it was made EN still hadn't said much to his lawyers, which if he's still not talking to his own lawyers, I just really feel like there's something big lurking under the surface...in addition to what the DA itself has said, which hints at still waters running deep.

All I know is, Google first found it 23 hours ago, and the Wayback Machine didn't have it at all until I submitted it just now.

Yes, if EN still isn't talking to his attorneys, that suggests .... well, I don't know what it suggests, but there's definitely more backstory that we don't know about yet.

 

[jjenny]

All I know is, Google first found it 23 hours ago, and the Wayback Machine didn't have it at all until I submitted it just now.

Yes, if EN still isn't talking to his attorneys, that suggests .... well, I don't know what it suggests, but there's definitely more backstory that we don't know about yet.

To me it suggests his lawyer is going to have a difficult time claiming self-defense.

 

[jjenny]

But that's not proof there were texts. Most people knows texts aren't permanently erased and can be retrieved from the cell phone provider. I'll bet a drug dealer knows that. Then again, I'm surprised they kept their phones. I would have taken a sledge hammer to it and thrown it in the river.

On a side note, I was looking at the wiki on the Billing's murders to learn the outcome, and the person who was charged with conspiracy to cover up the crimes received a sentence almost as long as the people who did plea deals, who IMO didn't get much of a deal.

Even if you smash your cell phone, LE can still retrieve messages from the cell provider, if they act in a timely manner. They don't need your cell phone for that.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

That sounds to me like EN's lawyer thinks Tammy was also dealing too!

Yes, that would be a huge nuance, which there's a difference between dealing weed (misdemeanor) and prescription drugs (felony) where any of those connected to it could be tried for Felony M2. It couldn't be Felony M1 (though it wouldn't preclude M1 against EN, just this would be low end of charges for others involved who didn't shoot) as prescription drug dealing isn't one the qualifying felonies for that charge. I don't see how this being part of a dealer-to-dealer drug deal would help EN and in fact it seems like it would harm his legal case, unless the Claus brothers think LE/DA don't want to put other drug dealers out of business and try and make them just get rid of this case. It seems like you're outright inviting a long prison sentence for your client as you're basically admitting to Felony M2 while not giving a defense precluding M1. This also would be a reason why you wouldn't want to even tell your own lawyers as if this has to deal with drug issues that could ensnare those higher up the food chain, you could end up with a shank or all sorts of other things where you would no longer have to be paranoid about something happening to your family because it would.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Even if you smash your cell phone, LE can still retrieve messages from the cell provider, if they act in a timely manner. They don't need your cell phone for that.

I thought I was clearly talking about the contact information, not the actual texts since I said that texts can be retrieved via the cell phone provider. If you don't have your phone backed up in a cloud, the contact info on your phone can only be found in the actual phone.

 

[al66pine]

I think this is an interview that hasn't been posted here previously. I think it's from the past day or so:
http://ktnv.video.jrn.com/Attorney-reveals-new-details-in-Tammy-Meyers-shooting-28637246 QUOTE]
~48 - 55 sec into vid, this shows CGI of the chase and shooting.

A SURVEY
Some of the factors events below are shown diff'ly from the way I imagined. What do you think?

--------------------------------------------------- start cut and paste-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In above vid clip at ~ 48 -55 sec, is CGI (from MSM, not from LE or DistAtty, right?) -
- silver car pulls into cul de sac straight on w street i.e., not turning car to angle... T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- guy next to open driver door (not pass side and not a back door) shoots............ T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- shoots toward green car in driveway of M fam home ........................................ T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- green Buick is parked w nose toward house, trunk toward street........................ T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- green Buick is parked at almost same angle as silver car is pulling in .................. T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- TM & BrM are both on passenger side of Buick .................................................T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:
- shooter's bullets are flying toward TM & BrM.................................................... T or F? If F,I think it happened this way:

AGREE w ktnv CGI graphic? ______
----------------------------------------------------end cut & paste -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.
If you think some of CGI is inaacurate, pls cut & paste from above to say how you think it happened this way________
2.
If you think the CGI is correct on all above factors, after "Agree w ktnv CGI graphics." post YES

Thx in adv for reigning in my wild imagination.

 

[Miss Muffet]

If you think some of CGI is inaacurate, pls cut & paste from above to say how you think it happened this way________

I can't use those selections. Here are my past and present image versions:

I used to envision it with the buick parked at the left side of the driveway at an angle with the driver's door near the sidewalk leading to the house, and the Audi pulling straight into the cul-de-sac, shooting at a strange angle from the passenger window around the Audi with BM hiding behind the truck and being shot as she was getting out of the buick.

Now that there is more information, I envision the buick parked on the right side of the driveway pulled straight in, with the Audi turned at a very slight angle to the left, and EN shooting at BM while he is running from the car, towards the house, which happens to be towards the truck which he dives behind, and then TM being shot when she gets out of the buick on the driver's side.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Yes, that would be a huge nuance, which there's a difference between dealing weed (misdemeanor) and prescription drugs (felony) where any of those connected to it could be tried for Felony M2. It couldn't be Felony M1 (though it wouldn't preclude M1 against EN, just this would be low end of charges for others involved who didn't shoot) as prescription drug dealing isn't one the qualifying felonies for that charge. I don't see how this being part of a dealer-to-dealer drug deal would help EN and in fact it seems like it would harm his legal case, unless the Claus brothers think LE/DA don't want to put other drug dealers out of business and try and make them just get rid of this case. It seems like you're outright inviting a long prison sentence for your client as you're basically admitting to Felony M2 while not giving a defense precluding M1. This also would be a reason why you wouldn't want to even tell your own lawyers as if this has to deal with drug issues that could ensnare those higher up the food chain, you could end up with a shank or all sorts of other things where you would no longer have to be paranoid about something happening to your family because it would.

Obviously Claus isn't thinking that's a risk. Perhaps it doesn't apply if the drug deal wasn't occurring at that very moment, and the shootings were over a past conflict over a drug deal.

Or maybe Claus is thinking the story of EN fighting a drug supplier would get him acquitted because the jury would view it was truly defending himself.

Or perhaps Claus is merely investigating it so he's prepared for whatever the DA throws at him since his client isn't talking.

Or maybe Clause is trying to scare the DA into thinking he's going to make this all about drugs so the DA drops the case.

Or perhaps it's simply Claus trying to keep a negative image of TM in the press.

Or maybe one of Claus's other clients is higher up the food chain and hired Claus to represent EN under the guise of "pro bono" and EN is terrified of Claus because he's the big bosses lawyer, and Claus is trying to send a clear public message that EN isn't talking. I have to be honest, I'm damned surprised that Claus is admitting his client isn't talking to him.

I gotta say my last option seems the very plausible.

btw, I'm impressed with EN's ability to keep his mouth shut concerning other people involved and whatever backstory if there is one.

 

[al66pine]

I can't use those selections. Here are my past and present image versions:
I used to envision it with the buick parked at the left side of the driveway at an angle with the driver's door near the sidewalk leading to the house, and the Audi pulling straight into the cul-de-sac, shooting at a strange angle from the passenger window around the Audi with BM hiding behind the truck and being shot as she was getting out of the buick.

Now that there is more information, I envision the buick parked on the right side of the driveway pulled straight in, with the Audi turned at a very slight angle to the left, and EN shooting at BM while he is running from the car, towards the house, which happens to be towards the truck which he dives behind, and then TM being shot when she gets out of the buick on the driver's side.

. bbm


Thanks Miss M.

But CGI does not even show M fam's truck in drive! Trying to visualize these events, I'm so confused.

 

[Miss Muffet]

. bbm


Thanks Miss M.

But CGI does not even show M fam's truck in drive! Trying to visualize these events, I'm so confused.

Do you know how to look at google maps street view? The truck is parked where I believe it was parked that night. It's parked on the street, against the curb in front of the grass part of the property to the left of the driveway and in front of the house.

 

[al66pine]

Obviously Claus isn't thinking that's a risk. Perhaps it doesn't apply if the drug deal wasn't occurring at that very moment, and the shootings were over a past conflict over a drug deal.
....
Or maybe one of Claus's other clients is higher up the food chain and hired Claus to represent EN under the guise of "pro bono" and
EN is terrified of Claus because he's the big bosses lawyer, and Claus is trying to send a clear public message that EN isn't talking. I have to be honest, I'm damned surprised that Claus is admitting his client isn't talking to him....

bbm sbm

Nothwithstanding 'Breaking Bad' and 'Better Call Saul' perpetuating bbm ^ idea re attorneys accepting cases under these kinds of circumstances,
I hope attorneys are not doing this - just hoping.