GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[jjenny]

At least we now know DA is claiming he picked him up at 7am ---apparently from near KK and ZA's apartment. That part of his testimony matches theirs.

If he drives EN around, he could have picked him up twice.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Trying to make sense out of nonsense is a Sisyphean task. The Meyers' story has been a hot, steaming pile of nonsense from day one. I only hope the full truth is brought to light during the trial.

I'm trying to make sense of it from all sources included the invented theories here. Throwing everything out - no driving lessons, no road rage - I'm still stuck with the Meyers leaving at 10:50 and events ending at 11:20 as that's a long time for one or more people to just be sitting in the car. I don't get for instance why EN would have sat in the car for nearly a half an hour before the Meyers appeared nor why it would take the Meyers that long to re-appear. I'd really like to see if there's confirmed footage of the school as to me about the only thing that make sense is to toss the 10:50 time and figure that the Meyers left the school later than that, so EN wouldn't have been in the car for long and TM wouldn't have been standing it in the street for a long time before going back out.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Start here: http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/clerk/records-search.html

 

[SStarr33]

It is. You're welcome to go pick up a copy of the transcript.

There's probably a fee, but it's available to anyone who requests one.

What is the website?

 

[Miss Muffet]

The desire to get these suspects off must be overwhelming for some posters here. Who is going to borrow his phone and return is later? He is living with his mother, and I really don't think she was the one borrowing his phone and then going to Meyers neighborhood with it.

I'm not saying she went to the Meyers neighborhood with his phone. I'm just sharing that I have borrowed my children's phones when they're sleeping at times.

 

[Miss Muffet]

What is the website?

I just linked it prior to your post. I found it via google search for "clark county nv prothonotary" and apparently they call their prothonotary office "clerk of courts." It won't be available online. You'll have to call and find out the procedure. I'm not sure if they'll mail it to you. If they do mail documents, it could take quite a while before you receive it. Going in person would be the fastest way.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not saying she went to the Meyers neighborhood with his phone. I'm just sharing that I have borrowed my children's phones when they're sleeping at times.

You are living in the same house with your children. He is living with his mother. Who is going to borrow his phone and return it later? And the phone was in Meyers neighborhood, so am I to believe that somebody snuck into his house, borrowed his phone, went to Meyers neighborhood, and then snuck back into his house, returned his phone, so early morning hours DA could communicate with his friend? That's a plausible story?

 

[sonjay]

I'm trying to make sense of it from all sources included the invented theories here. Throwing everything out - no driving lessons, no road rage - I'm still stuck with the Meyers leaving at 10:50 and events ending at 11:20 as that's a long time for one or more people to just be sitting in the car. I don't get for instance why EN would have sat in the car for nearly a half an hour before the Meyers appeared nor why it would take the Meyers that long to re-appear. I'd really like to see if there's confirmed footage of the school as to me about the only thing that make sense is to toss the 10:50 time and figure that the Meyers left the school later than that, so EN wouldn't have been in the car for long and TM wouldn't have been standing it in the street for a long time before going back out.

BBM. No, no you're not. Think about it -- where did the 10:50 come from? KM's story of the road rage and driving lessons. Throw that out, and the Meyers could have left at any time. Don't let yourself be tied to KM's timeline. So far, there's no evidence that the driving lessons or road rage ever happened.

 

[Miss Muffet]

You are living in the same house with your children. He is living with his mother. Who is going to borrow his phone and return it later? And the phone was in Meyers neighborhood, so am I to believe that somebody snuck into his house, borrowed his phone, went to Meyers neighborhood, and then snuck back into his house, returned his phone, so early morning hours DA could communicate with his friend? That's a plausible story

My nest is almost empty. I only have one remaining here part time---four months each year. I have borrowed their phones if mine was broken, misplaced, dead battery, etc. It may seem strange, but we eliminated our landline house phone a decade ago. I make a point of returning them---even in the middle of the night while they're sleeping (usually when I'm heading to bed--it's 1:25 am here right now LOL) because I don't want to disrespect my children. And I do leave the house with them too.

It all depends on if one of his family members did borrow his phone and go somewhere with it while he was sleeping. I'm not saying that's what happened with DA's phone, but it's entirely possible it could have happened. PaperDoll can tell us if there are businesses, like drug stores or fast food restaurants that are over towards where the Meyers live that would pick up the same cell phone tower. It looks like DA's family lives in an area where there aren't businesses.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

BBM. No, no you're not. Think about it -- where did the 10:50 come from? KM's story of the road rage and driving lessons. Throw that out, and the Meyers could have left at any time. Don't let yourself be tied to KM's timeline. So far, there's no evidence that the driving lessons or road rage ever happened.

Read my post in full as I addressed that. The later the left the school, the more perplexing the relevance of 10:30-11:00 is. 11:00-11:30 is more relevant to phone activity under either timeframe.

 

[sonjay]

You are living in the same house with your children. He is living with his mother. Who is going to borrow his phone and return it later? And the phone was in Meyers neighborhood, so am I to believe that somebody snuck into his house, borrowed his phone, went to Meyers neighborhood, and then snuck back into his house, returned his phone, so early morning hours DA could communicate with his friend? That's a plausible story?

DA's excuse isn't plausible at all. I'd like to see exactly what the cell tower records show, but it sounds like they've got pretty good evidence that DA's phone was in the vicinity of the park at the time in question. That almost certainly means that DA was too. Enough to convict on any of the charges? I dunno, but he was probably the driver.

 

[sonjay]

Read my post in full as I addressed that.

Hmmmm..... I did read your post in full. I think your "addressing" of that is to just toss the 10:50 time altogether, which is also what I said. I was only trying to make the point that the 10:50 time came only from KM, and is therefore highly suspect and and can be tossed with impunity.

 

[Miss Muffet]

BBM. No, no you're not. Think about it -- where did the 10:50 come from? KM's story of the road rage and driving lessons. Throw that out, and the Meyers could have left at any time. Don't let yourself be tied to KM's timeline. So far, there's no evidence that the driving lessons or road rage ever happened.

Why don't you just throw it all out and write your own novel?

Read my post in full as I addressed that.

I think the mistake you're making is assuming that EN's second ride arrived immediately after the Buick left. The Buick could have left at 10:50 and EN's car would have arrived sometime after 11:00. After all, the Buick did drive around first for a while before the road rage/incident/encounter caused them to head home.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I think the mistake you're making is assuming that EN's second ride arrived immediately after the Buick left. The Buick could have left at 10:50 and EN's car would have arrived sometime after 11:00. After all, the Buick did drive around first for a while before the road rage/incident/encounter caused them to head home.

No, I'm going off the testimony that EN's ride arrived before the Buick left. EN according to Mogg is that EN waited to get into the car until the Buick left: "At one point he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left the area. Eventually the green car leaves the area. He said he got into the vehicle with a friend of his whom he described as a white male." At least one car was there before the Buick left if not two cars.

 

[sonjay]

Why don't you just throw it all out and write your own novel.

Well, I'm not writing my own anything. I'm not adding anything. I'm not coming up with stories of crews of gang members roaming the neighborhod or dreaming up complicated plots involving gang hierarchies and bad guys leaning on lawyers to rep EN and make sure he stays quiet. I'm merely throwing out a part of the story (KM's) for which there is no evidence whatsoever and which has constantly changed and which makes no sense at all in the scheme of the Meyerses and EN knowing each other and the spiky-haired dude that the police aren't looking for. Deciding that I don't believe a very implausible story is not writing my own novel.

 

[Miss Muffet]

No, I'm going off the testimony that EN's ride arrived before the Buick left. EN according to Mogg is that EN waited to get into the car until the Buick left: "At one point he said that he was actually waiting in the park and didn't want to get into one of his friends' vehicles until the green car had left the area. Eventually the green car leaves the area. He said he got into the vehicle with a friend of his whom he described as a white male." At least one car was there before the Buick left if not two cars.

The first car arrived before the Buick left. EN didn't get into that car. He got into a second car after the buick left. That wasn't necessarily immediately after the buick left at 10:50. His second ride might not have arrived until after 11:00.

 

[sonjay]

The first car arrived before the Buick left. EN didn't get into that car. He got into a second car after the buick left. That wasn't necessarily immediately after the buick left at 10:50. His second ride might not have arrived until after 11:00.

There's no evidence and there's been no testimony that two cars arrived for EN. There was testimony that EN called a couple of friends, but no testimony that two cars arrived. There's been an interpretation of a vague statement by Mogg that allows for the possibility that two cars showed up, but no actual direct testimony to that effect.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Well, I'm not writing my own anything. I'm not adding anything. I'm not coming up with stories of crews of gang members roaming the neighborhod or dreaming up complicated plots involving gang hierarchies and bad guys leaning on lawyers to rep EN and make sure he stays quiet. I'm merely throwing out a part of the story (KM's) for which there is no evidence whatsoever and which has constantly changed and which makes no sense at all in the scheme of the Meyerses and EN knowing each other and the spiky-haired dude that the police aren't looking for. Deciding that I don't believe a very implausible story is not writing my own novel.

There is someone standing in EN's driveway. And the EN GJ transcript indicates more than one car arrived. The DA is saying there were two different cars---the accident/incident car and the shooting car. I'm trying to make what's in each testimony all fit together. It seems SpanishInquisition is trying to do the same.

We all know you don't believe KM and have disregarded her entire testimony. That's cool. Just please stop trying to force us to do the same.

 

[Miss Muffet]

There's no evidence and there's been no testimony that two cars arrived for EN. There was testimony that EN called a couple of friends, but no testimony that two cars arrived. There's been an interpretation of a vague statement by Mogg that allows for the possibility that two cars showed up, but no actual direct testimony to that effect.

Attempting to interpret vague testimony as newer testimony arises is a much better effort than tossing out half the testimony from almost day one and sticking to that no matter what new testimony presents, IMO.

The DA insists there were two different cars and that's coming from somewhere. Maybe you think he pulled it out of thin air. Why are you going to believe Mogg's testimony and not the conclusion the DA has reached based on evidence Mogg has provided the DA?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The first car arrived before the Buick left. EN didn't get into that car. He got into a second car after the buick left. That wasn't necessarily immediately after the buick left at 10:50. His second ride might not have arrived until after 11:00.

Where does it say that EN did or did not get into the first car that arrived or whether or not both vehicles arrived before the Buick left? I think at whatever time the Buick left that EN did wait a few minutes before getting into it, which I'm inclined to believe the Buick left sometime after 11:00 and that there was a rather short time period between the Buick leaving and re-appearing for the final time, but I have no evidence of that and I want to see evidence physical evidence that provides specific times (why I like the CCTV footage as it is objective and provides hard numbers) that can narrow down what happened and when without it being subject to the various parties self-interested recollections.