GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[sonjay]

Actually it hasn't. What has remained consistent was the length of the lessons at 50 minutes, but in the GJ testimony KM didn't specify a start or end time other than to say it was dark out.

With or without an incident that leaves an awful lot of time between 10:50 and 11:20.

In the arrest affidavit, KM apparently knew that at about 2210 (10:10pm) she and mom went to the school for driving lessons, and that they finished their lessons at about 2250 (10:50pm). That's a 40-minute driving lesson

In her GJ testimony, KM didn't know what time the driving lesson started, except that it was "a little bit later than the evening" and it was dark out:

Q. What time if you can recall did you and your mom leave your home?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Was it in the evening?
A. A little bit later than the evening.
Q. Was it dark out?
A. Yes.

But she also knew that the driving lessons lasted about 50 minutes.

If we go by the arrest affidavit, we know that the driving lesson started at 10:10 and ended at 10:50, and therefore (by virtue of non-Common Core math) we know that the driving lesson lasted about 40 minutes.

But if we go by the GJ testimony, we only know that the alleged driving lesson lasted 50 minutes, but we have no idea what time it started, and thus we have no idea what time it ended.

So no, the length of the lesson has not remained consistent at 50 minutes.

If the lesson was 50 minutes and started at 10:10 (as reported in the arrest affidavit) then it ended at 11pm.
If the lesson was 40 minutes and started at 10:10, it ended at 10:50.

But if you go by what KM actually testified to, in her own words, in the GJ hearing, she only knows that the lesson lasted 50 minutes and she doesn't know what time it started. It could have started at 10, or at 9:30, or at 10:30. KM testified that she does not recall what time the driving lesson started; she only knows that it lasted 50 minutes.

Even if you believe the road rage story, don't get too hung up on the 10:50 end time or on any timeline provided by KM. She doesn't recall.

 

[sonjay]

And I'll take a wing. I am more interested in the twists and turns of this case, rather than determining guilt or innocence. And, I find certain testimony vague and self-serving, including Mogg. I don't take things I'm told at face value. I never have. Hopefully, I never will.

I'm with you there. The jury will be there to determine if there's sufficient evident to convict EN and/or DA of anything.

But this case has been weird from the beginning, and I hope we get all the details at some point. It's a weird case with lots of unexpected lies, unexpected twists & turns, events & time lines & routes that don't make sense.... just lots of weirdness. We even have the RM sideshow. I wish he'd give some more interviews; I don't believe a word he says, but he's always entertaining.

 

[LancelotLink]

I'm with you there. The jury will be there to determine if there's sufficient evident to convict EN and/or DA of anything.

But this case has been weird from the beginning, and I hope we get all the details at some point. It's a weird case with lots of unexpected lies, unexpected twists & turns, events & time lines & routes that don't make sense.... just lots of weirdness. We even have the RM sideshow. I wish he'd give some more interviews; I don't believe a word he says, but he's always entertaining.

RM is entertaining. I find him useful, to a point. He was able to get out in front of this case and direct the narrative, coverage, and IMO the hasty statements made by LE. I believe he tried to plug the holes that most reasonable commenters found and in doing so, gave up TMI or half-truths, depending on what day it was. And each time he did this, he made certain he tried to shame to naysayers. She was at the park so many times, I can't count, but she was there trying to console and mentor and give money. Oh, and she was there Feb 7-8.
And what really bothered me was how after someone raised the question of how in the Sam Hill the road rage guy knew they were mother and daughter, I was asked to believe 15 year old screamed mommy, mommy, mommy.
And next thing I knew, RM started calling TM mommy. Mommy knew who this was...TMI

 

[Miss Muffet]

RM is entertaining. I find him useful, to a point. He was able to get out in front of this case and direct the narrative, coverage, and IMO the hasty statements made by LE. I believe he tried to plug the holes that most reasonable commenters found and in doing so, gave up TMI or half-truths, depending on what day it was. And each time he did this, he made certain he tried to shame to naysayers. She was at the park so many times, I can't count, but she was there trying to console and mentor and give money. Oh, and she was there Feb 7-8.
And what really bothered me was how after someone raised the question of how in the Sam Hill the road rage guy knew they were mother and daughter, I was asked to believe 15 year old screamed mommy, mommy, mommy.
And next thing I knew, RM started calling TM mommy. Mommy knew who this was...TMI

Excellent! Also, LVDA publicly announced there were two cars, two separate incidents shortly after RM publicly announced he got a lawyer since LVDA didn't publicly correct the inaccuracies that have been made by LE and the media. I don't believe that was a coincidence either. And that's why I don't believe LVDA made that statement to distance himself from that aspect of the statement. It seems RM has been orchestrating much of what has been happening, including what LVDA said. He has been perfectly quiet since he got what he wanted. I wonder if LVDA and he made a deal----LVDA agreed to make a statement if RM shut the hell up.

 

[sonjay]

RM is entertaining. I find him useful, to a point. He was able to get out in front of this case and direct the narrative, coverage, and IMO the hasty statements made by LE. I believe he tried to plug the holes that most reasonable commenters found and in doing so, gave up TMI or half-truths, depending on what day it was. And each time he did this, he made certain he tried to shame to naysayers. She was at the park so many times, I can't count, but she was there trying to console and mentor and give money. Oh, and she was there Feb 7-8.

Yep, Feb. 7-8 she was walking the dog at the park.

And what really bothered me was how after someone raised the question of how in the Sam Hill the road rage guy knew they were mother and daughter, I was asked to believe 15 year old screamed mommy, mommy, mommy.
And next thing I knew, RM started calling TM mommy. Mommy knew who this was...TMI

Yes, exactly. According to the DA, the spiky-haired road rage dude is some stranger, yet he knew TM & KM were mother and daughter, and he knew where they lived, and Mommy knew he was EN. Or something like that. RM has completely lost track of his own lies and the lies of his children, and he has contradicted himself too many times to count.

You can't accept anything RM says at face value, but the truth sometimes seeps out around the edges.

 

[LancelotLink]

Excellent! Also, LVDA publicly announced there were two cars, two separate incidents shortly after RM publicly announced he got a lawyer since LVDA didn't publicly correct the inaccuracies that have been made by LE and the media. I don't believe that was a coincidence either. And that's why I don't believe LVDA made that statement to distance himself from that aspect of the statement. It seems RM has been orchestrating much of what has been happening, including what LVDA said. He has been perfectly quiet since he got what he wanted. I wonder if LVDA and he made a deal----LVDA agreed to make a statement if RM shut the hell up.

I don't think RM has any more clout than George Anthony had. Just part of the circus. I think LE separated and distanced the road rage car when the claim by the M's and MM in particular that the green buick was hit and now missing the side bumper, was debunked as a lot of bunk. I hope that made sense.

 

[LancelotLink]

Yep, Feb. 7-8 she was walking the dog at the park.



Yes, exactly. According to the DA, the spiky-haired road rage dude is some stranger, yet he knew TM & KM were mother and daughter, and he knew where they lived, and Mommy knew he was EN. Or something like that. RM has completely lost track of his own lies and the lies of his children, and he has contradicted himself too many times to count.

You can't accept anything RM says at face value, but the truth sometimes seeps out around the edges.

Exactly.

 

[sonjay]

I don't think RM has any more clout than George Anthony had. Just part of the circus. I think LE separated and distanced the road rage car when the claim by the M's and MM in particular that the green buick was hit and now missing the side bumper, was debunked as a lot of bunk. I hope that made sense.

No collision damage to Buick. I'd bet also no left-front collision damage to DA's Audi.

Police aren't looking for spiky-haired dude. (And the two black males have completely disappeared from the picture.)

If there was really a road rage, there is no doubt in my mind that the police and DA would really really want to find him. They'd want to know what kind of car he drives. They'd want to compare his car to DA's car to see how much visual similarity there is. They'd want to see what the spiky-haired dude actually looks like. They'd want to know if he can confirm or corroborate any part of KM's story. They'd want to know what time the alleged road rage happened, and where it happened and how it happened. They'd want to know if he really did say or do anything so threatening that TM was in fear for her life and her family, such that she had any justification at all for going out to look for the alleged road-raging silver car with her armed son. They'd want to know if she had any justification at all for thinking that DA's silver car was the alleged road-raging silver car from earlier.

They would absolutely not be ignoring the road rage story and the spiky-haired dude the way they are. This is another thing that tells me it didn't happen, and the police and DA's office know it didn't happen.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I don't think RM has any more clout than George Anthony had. Just part of the circus. I think LE separated and distanced the road rage car when the claim by the M's and MM in particular that the green buick was hit and now missing the side bumper, was debunked as a lot of bunk. I hope that made sense.

But the missing side strip was debunked many weeks prior to the LVDA making the statement. He made the statement within just a couple of days after RM's said he hired a lawyer. I have no doubt his lawyers did contact LVDA. That's what lawyers do. Even if RM doesn't have any clout, his lawyer could have clout via being buddies with LVDA. Since my lawyer golfs with all of the judges, I was whisked through traffic court like a celebrity. Other people sat there all day. I not only got out of there within minutes, but I didn't have any penalties. My lawyer and the judge didn't even talk about my case. I stood at the bench next to my lawyer while they talked about golf and the kids and wives.

 

[LancelotLink]

They have to know. Another thing that bothers me is the inconsistencies. In the warrant, how could the road rager swerve around the green buick driver's side and cut in front of them AND then pass them in a bike lane? They were already in front of them. Answer, IMO, they needed that missing side bumper explained. But, after all of that, it was debunked as a lie, or the recollections of a young terrified girl. MAF! It was a load of piffle.

 

[PaperDoll]

I've repeatedly linked to the press release at the Las Vegas Metro Police Department website in which the police department's own press release reported that the road rager followed TM & KM home and shot TM.

The Meyerses lied to police that night and for five days afterward. Wishing that away doesn't make it go away.

Sonjay, I'm sorry you can link it all you want, but I still have a right to view this how I wish :crazy: I still think there is more that we don't know yet and I would love to see it, but for now I'm going off what I do know.

 

[PaperDoll]

the problem is the media hasn't released them. If they're available to the media, they are available to anyone.

Someone just has to go get them. maybe someone in vegas will make a trip down and do that.

lol, no pressure paperdoll!!!!

 

[LancelotLink]

But the missing side strip was debunked many weeks prior to the LVDA making the statement. He made the statement within just a couple of days after RM's said he hired a lawyer. I have no doubt his lawyers did contact LVDA. That's what lawyers do. Even if RM doesn't have any clout, his lawyer could have clout via being buddies with LVDA. Since my lawyer golfs with all of the judges, I was whisked through traffic court like a celebrity. Other people sat there all day. I not only got out of there within minutes, but I didn't have any penalties. My lawyer and the judge didn't even talk about my case. I stood at the bench next to my lawyer while they talked about golf and the kids and wives.

Sorry, I just don't see LE wasting anymore time on RM. They have an uphill climb thanks to him. And if he does sue them, I would like a front row seat for that show. "your honor, LE didn't get my client's lies told properly."

 

[sonjay]

Sonjay, I'm sorry you can link it all you want, but I still have a right to view this how I wish :crazy: I still think there is more that we don't know yet and I would love to see it, but for now I'm going off what I do know.

That's fine. You can view the story however you want, despite what the facts show.

 

[PaperDoll]

He was out to protect himself. He had the gun with him in the park yet never confronted the Buick with it until the M's began chasing and flashed their own gun. Believe me, from personal experience, very personal experience, just because a person carries a gun for protection doesn't mean he/she is "out to kill".

I understand what you are saying, but I also believe BM was out to protect himself as well. I do not believe he went out to kill. I think he took the gun "just in case" there was trouble. EN claims he saw a gun waving out the window, is there proof a gun was actually being waved out the window? It was dark out and no one seemed to recognize anyone in the cars. I do have to admit that I think EN is telling the truth in his statement to LE. I would love to hear the police interviews to get a better feel for things..

 

[PaperDoll]

That's fine. You can view the story however you want, despite what the facts show.

LOL, ok I have to admit you guys are giving me a run for my money here, I could be wrong on my theory I simply need more to go on, that is all

 

[LancelotLink]

Ok. I went back and read RM's diatribe about DA not making correct statements. But, what statement did he want them to give? I'm confused, but more than willing to listen..

 

[SeeAlice]

As for me, I got the distinct impression that the LVDA referring to the road rage car as a separate car and separate incident was his way of distancing himself from that testimony.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's problematic for the prosecution.

 

[LancelotLink]

Exactly what I was thinking. It's problematic for the prosecution.

It really is quite the conundrum. On one hand they need the road rage to explain why TM and BM went back out with a gun. Even then, they have to explain why they ended up back at the park, where EN was. And while they are at it, I hope they explain why TM and KM went back to the park after the road rage, even tho KM said they left the park area because they were skeered. Tho I am starting the think in terms of it all happening simultainiosly, which is hard to do with the road rage, routes, etc still in my head.
OTOH, they can't love this road rage story, because their witnesses are going to be impeached so badly, the entire prosecution team is going to look like they are trying to railroad EN.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I understand what you are saying, but I also believe BM was out to protect himself as well. I do not believe he went out to kill. I think he took the gun "just in case" there was trouble. EN claims he saw a gun waving out the window, is there proof a gun was actually being waved out the window? It was dark out and no one seemed to recognize anyone in the cars. I do have to admit that I think EN is telling the truth in his statement to LE. I would love to hear the police interviews to get a better feel for things..

But...if they hadn't gone out to chase down supposed road rager, there would've been no need to be protecting himself, am I right? A simple call to the police and staying tucked in the safety of their home, yes with a loaded weapon next to him if they though this road rager was coming after them at the house would've been sufficient and MUCH safer. All this crapola doesn't add up and I agree that the truth will come out eventually what the backstory is.