GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Miss Muffet]

There's a Jones Boulevard two full blocks from Durango High School. There's a Grant Sawyer Middle School one full block away from Jones Boulevard. And there is a Jones Circle less than one full block away from a Carlisle High School.

For someone like DA who attended a different school district, and considering EN attended the Durango High School, I'll bet it was the Jones Boulevard near the Durango High School. People from other school districts don't usually reference middle schools and elementary schools in other school districts. Plus, EN most likely went somewhere he knew someone or in an area he was familiar with and that would be more likely near Durango High School than Carlisle High School.

 

[jjenny]

There isn't a Jones street AT the school so they both could be technically right. The friend's house where they switched vehicles could be located on whatever street DA means by Jones street. That San Jonas street is near the school, but it's not AT the school. You're overly focused on the school. The school isn't where he was picked up. The school is just to give a general area of where the street is located.

It doesn't matter because he's screwed either way since he's not a "friend's girlfriend."

"By the school" is where DA claims he picked him up.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Oh, there are many, many schools even closer to Jones Boulevard. Too many to mention.

 

[Miss Muffet]

"By the school" is where DA claims he picked him up.

He said he picked him up on Jones by the school. By the school means that Jones is by the school, not that EN was by the school. Otherwise, there would be no purpose whatsoever in mentioning Jones.

 

[jjenny]

He said he picked him up on Jones by the school. By the school means that Jones is by the school, not that EN was by the school. Otherwise, there would be no purpose whatsoever in mentioning Jones.

What would be the purpose of mentioning school, if he didn't pick him up by the school?

 

[jjenny]

Oh, there are many, many schools even closer to Jones Boulevard. Too many to mention.

He could have been saying "Jonas" not "Jones". Johnson middle school is near Sam Jonas Dr.

 

[Miss Muffet]

What would be the purpose of mentioning school, if he didn't pick him up by the school?

Because Jones Boulevard is one long road.

 

[Miss Muffet]

He could have been saying "Jonas" not "Jones". Johnson middle school is near Sam Jonas Dr.

I'm well aware of Johnson Middle School since it's the central location for this case. I recall the street name began with a J and a very common name. In my neck of the woods, Jonas is not a common word. Plus, the newspapers are reporting Jones. We have less than one hour to listen to it again on the 11 news.

You have to keep in mind that DA isn't from EN's neighborhood. EN's little park and EN's little middle school aren't as relevant in DA's life. High school locations mean more to people who are from another school district, IMO. You yourself said it made no sense whatsoever that EN was dropped off at the middle school by the shooter. And EN says he left the area entirely to Mogg, KK and ZA.

 

[jjenny]

I recall the name began with a J and a very common name. In my neck of the woods, Jonas is not a common word. Plus, the newspapers are reporting Jones. We have less than one hour to listen to it again on the 11 news.

You have to keep in mind that DA isn't from EN's neighborhood. EN's little park and EN's little middle school aren't as relevant in DA's life. High school locations mean more to people who are from another school district, IMO. You yourself said it made no sense whatsoever that EN was dropped off at the middle school by the shooter. And EN says he left the area entirely to Mogg, KK and ZA.

Well, I don't believe DA's story one bit. I think he knows there is evidence showing him in the area and is trying to come up with a story to explain it away.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

There's a Jones Boulevard two full blocks from Durango High School. There's a Grant Sawyer Middle School one full block away from Jones Boulevard. And there is a Jones Circle less than one full block away from a Carlisle High School.

For someone like DA who attended a different school district, and considering EN attended the Durango High School, I'll bet it was the Jones Boulevard near the Durango High School. People from other school districts don't usually reference middle schools and elementary schools in other school districts. Plus, EN most likely went somewhere he knew someone or in an area he was familiar with and that would be more likely near Durango High School than Carlisle High School.

There's also Odyssey Charter School on Jones that's about 4 miles away from EN's home.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Well, I don't believe DA's story one bit. I think he knows there is evidence showing him in the area and is trying to come up with a story to explain it away.

I'm not surprised you feel that way. It sure seemed you believed it when it seemed he was talking about Johnson Middle School. Now that you're learning there are other schools near a street named Jones, you're suddenly saying you don't believe him.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible and consider every possibility. I'm not just sitting here trying to make everything fit into how I want it to be. My questioning what he said, and his hesitant speech, indicates I'm willing to be open minded. I'm the one who discovered the person standing in EN's driveway, and that's not a good discovery for EN.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not surprised you feel that way suddenly. It sure seemed you believed it when it seemed he was talking about Johnson Middle School. Now that you're learning there are other schools near a street named Jones, you're suddenly saying you don't believe him.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible by considering every possibility. I'm not just sitting here trying to make everything fit into how I want it to be. My questioning what he said, and his hesitant speech, indicates I'm willing to be open minded. I'm the one who discovered the person standing in EN's driveway, and that's not a good discovery for EN.

I think you are confused. I never said I believed his story. There is nothing sudden about how I feel.

 

[Miss Muffet]

There's also Odyssey Charter School on Jones that's about 4 miles away from EN's home.

Yep. There are many schools near Jones. It's a huge road.

Gotta love google maps for showing where every school is located.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think you are confused. I never said I believed his story. There is nothing sudden about how I feel.

You're just trying to make what he said fit into your version of things. That's why you're trying to place him in the neighborhood.

 

[jjenny]

You're just trying to make what he said fit into your version of things. That's why you're trying to place him in the neighborhood.

No, I am using common sense. He claims EN first started texting him, that would presumably be before the murder. At that time EN had to have been near Johnson middle school. At first he didn't go but then he changed his mind.
Or did you miss that part about EN texting and calling him at a time before the murder?
If that was by a different school, how did he get these new directions?
I would think if I were telling an alibi story, I would make a few things clear. Such as where I went to pick him up, how many hours later after getting a call from him I went to pick him up, and where I dropped him off.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Well, I don't believe DA's story one bit. I think he knows there is evidence showing him in the area and is trying to come up with a story to explain it away.

I think he's seen some of the evidence against him the weeks leading up to his arrest when he and his lawyer were in communication to LE/DA. I don't know how truthful he was, but I think he knows far better what to expect than EN does as Andrews is an ex-con convicted felon, but AFAIK EN has only done misdemeanors with no time behind bars and he does not want to go back. I guess that is in part why I'm not sure what to make of him as I think he would have ran to the DA for a deal or was running there now if he did it, which with him as a driver who didn't fire a gun, I could see the DA pleading it way down.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I certainly think police presented DA with evidence (most likely trying to get him to talk) and he is trying to explain it away and is claiming police want to frame him (so his claim that this evidence is fake).

 

[jjenny]

There's also Odyssey Charter School on Jones that's about 4 miles away from EN's home.

There are many schools all over the place. But if EN started texting him from the park before the murder (which is what the story appears to be), then he would have been asking DA to pick him up near Johnson's middle school. Now, I presume police recovered these texts so they would know the time and what directions were given.

 

[Miss Muffet]

No, I am using common sense. He claims EN first started texting him before the murder. At that time EN had to have been near Johnson middle school. At first he didn't go but then he changed his mind.
Or did you miss that part about EN texting and calling him before the murder?

We don't know how long the texts went on before DA relented and went to get him. He says he was asleep when DA called at 11. Even if they only texted for 10 minutes, that's not enough time for him to get dressed and drive to the park in time for the first shooting. It's 12 minute drive from DA's house to the Johnson Middle School. The second shooting happened at 11:20. What time was the first shooting? 11:15? We don't know. But there's not even enough time for him to get there for the second shooting.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

No, I am using common sense. He claims EN first started texting him, that would presumably be before the murder. At that time EN had to have been near Johnson middle school. At first he didn't go but then he changed his mind.
Or did you miss that part about EN texting and calling him at a time before the murder?

That he texted someone from one place at a certain time doesn't preclude also texting from someplace else at a different time. If I had no car I could ask someone for a ride to the mall from home where they turn me down so I get a ride from someone else there, then an hour later I could ask them for a ride from the mall to home where this time they relent. That I contacted them at multiple times during the day is not proof that all those contacts were from the same location.