GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Miss Muffet]

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Thanks! That's why I posted. I was hoping others could share in case something was wrong on my end. I've suddenly got "missing persons" "true crime radio" and "advertising" all down the right side of my screen. I didn't have them until I returned to the site just now.

ETA: Something is different. I'm going to find if there is a forum or instructions on how to report glitches..

 

[LancelotLink]

Yes, this.

I can understand the DA not releasing all the evidence; he doesn't have to give us his evidence, he only has to present it in court. And he can be accused of prejudicing potential jurors against the defendants if he puts it all out there before the trial.

But...... he hasn't addressed the lying, the changing stories, the obstructive and deceptive behavior by the family of the victim. He hasn't offered any sort of coherent story of what happened. He just threw out there the idea that there were two unrelated incidents with two unrelated silver cars that night.

At the police press conferences, they also didn't address any of that. After it came out that the alleged road rager didn't follow TM & KM home and shoot TM -- but rather that TM & BM went out hunting with BM's gun -- they didn't address at all the fact that the Meyerses had obviously lied about what happened that night.

Why on earth is such a major part of this case being so ignored by officials?

I said before he must be seething with the way things are panning out. I believe it was you who said the DA should have waited before charging M1 full steam ahead without the benefit of more evidence, or in this case, less evidence or imploding evidence. His arrogance at the press conference told me a lot. He knows he has over charged. If this DA kid is telling the truth...

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Thanks! That's why I posted. I was hoping others could share in case something was wrong on my end. I've suddenly got "missing persons" "true crime radio" and "advertising" all down the left side of my screen. I didn't have them until I returned to the site just now.

ETA: Something is different. I'm going to find if there is a forum or instructions on how to report glitches..

This is happening to me too it isn't ads, it's other sections of the forum, like the index or something. Everything is all scrunched up into very narrow columns. Must be a glitch. I'm on my iPad, if that makes any difference.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Why on earth is such a major part of this case being so ignored by officials?

It bothers me to no end that they're acting like OJ with paying lip service to the 'real killer' in that they supposedly have this active mortal threat to the Meyers and aren't doing anything about it. Also it seems like their case risks rapidly devolving into Alice In Wonderland/Dr Seuss if we're going to have EN calling for two cars, the Meyers having two unrelated incidents with two unrelated cars, etc. I only see this going more Alice In Wonderland the longer it goes on. The case just makes more sense cutting out all the road rage drama and just that TM saw EN in the park, then she came back around that spot with BM. Instead we get ever increasing baggage on why they didn't do that. It's not like them saying the Meyers were out to get EN would lose the case if the DA made that as part of their case, but it could certainly go a long way to losing the case if the defense shows how ridiculous the prosecution's Dr Seuss theory of the case is.

 

[Steleheart]

Their silence isn't necessarily an indication they're ignoring anything. Unfortunately, they're not obligated to provide us with any explanations.

On another note, holy advertisements on the right side of the screen. It's making it difficult to read threads all scrunched up on the left side. Apparently they don't realize what this does to users who magnify their text. I only have mine at 150% and this change is literally cutting my screen in half. :tantrum:

It's killing me. It happened suddenly. Mister Magoo has better eyesight than me, I can't imagine what my messages are coming out like, LOL

ETA: SEE!? I didn't mean the silence I meant the screen.

 

[Miss Muffet]

This is happening to me too it isn't ads, it's other sections of the forum, like the index or something. Everything is all scrunched up into very narrow columns. Must be a glitch. I'm on my iPad, if that makes any difference.

Yeah, that's my problem too. It's weird. My text is going outside of my reply box too. I'm on a full size laptop. I posted in the hardware/software forum alerting them. Hopefully someone sees it soon.

 

[sonjay]

I see all the same red flags. He is very vague on when exactly he changed his mind and went to pick EN up. If it were not at the school, EN would have to provide him with new directions. If it were at the school, then it's not plausible, because I find it highly unlikely that a driver that picked up EN there and drove him around during the murder would then drive him back to the original location. If it was the next morning, then why not say so? If you are trying to convince everybody you are innocent, and you didn't go pick EN up before the murder, then say when you actually went to pick him up.

BBM. Eggs-ackly. It's quite easy to say, "I left my house after midnight to go pick him up." Or, "I told him no and went back to sleep. When he called me again at 6:30 the next morning, I gave in and agreed to give him a ride." Or simply, "I wasn't driving him during the shooting. I didn't drive him to Mt. Shasta. I wasn't there when the shooting happened."

I think he knows evidence puts him in the area and is trying to come up with ways to explain it.

That's what I'm thinking. If he wasn't the "getaway driver," then he would be 100% confident that there is no evidence that could possibly prove that he was, and he would be straightforward and direct in his statements. But he has to waffle and hedge and be vague because he doesn't know what evidence the police have or what the evidence might show.

Another red flag for me is that there's no anger. There's much hang-wringing about how horrible it is in jail, and his question "Why me? Why am I here?" But if he was truly innocent of any involvement in the chase and shootouts, he would be angry. It would be a righteous anger.

But he's not angry. He's fearful and worried. He doesn't know what evidence they have, and he's worried that there's evidence that puts him in the car at the scene, driving EN for the chase and shooting.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It's killing me. It happened suddenly. Mister Magoo has better eyesight than me, I can't imagine what my messages are coming out like, LOL

ETA: SEE!? I didn't mean the silence I meant the screen.

Funny! Glad to learn I'm not the only one. I'm heading to bed early (almost midnight here) because I can't take it.

Midge and I posted screenshots in the hardware/software forum. Maybe someone will see our posts and it will be fixed tomorrow.

 

[LancelotLink]

I dunno. He stood up in court like he wanted to be heard. He talked with A Castelan because he wanted to be heard. So, is he telling the truth, or did he go thru the warrant and pluck out del Taco as an out?

 

[sonjay]

It bothers me to no end that they're acting like OJ with paying lip service to the 'real killer' in that they supposedly have this active mortal threat to the Meyers and aren't doing anything about it. Also it seems like their case risks rapidly devolving into Alice In Wonderland/Dr Seuss if we're going to have EN calling for two cars, the Meyers having two unrelated incidents with two unrelated cars, etc. I only see this going more Alice In Wonderland the longer it goes on. The case just makes more sense cutting out all the road rage drama and just that TM saw EN in the park, then she came back around that spot with BM. Instead we get ever increasing baggage on why they didn't do that. It's not like them saying the Meyers were out to get EN would lose the case if the DA made that as part of their case, but it could certainly go a long way to losing the case if the defense shows how ridiculous the prosecution's Dr Seuss theory of the case is.

I agree. If they stick with the ridiculous two-unrelated-cars theory, the jury will likely be no more willing than most of us are to convict a man of first-degree murder when the alleged victims have deliberately impeded the police investigation and lied more than the defendant has. Lied brazenly! About hugely important parts of the incident!

If the prosecution simply embraced what actually happened, they would be able to address those things in a straightforward way.

IMO, the stupid two-car theory will actually make it harder to convict EN of anything. The two-car theory means that not only did TM & BM decide to play vigilante, but they ended up playing vigilante against an innocent bystander who was simply hanging out at the park minding his own business.

Frankly, IMO, if vigilantes roll up behind you and point a gun at you and chase you, you're pretty justified in almost any response you make to that. Even if you over-react and press your "defense" past the point of defense and into offense territory, you're only guilty of overreacting to an extreme threat. Lots of people will have trouble convicting an innocent bystander who was targeted by armed vigilantes.

 

[LancelotLink]

DA Wolfson is running for reelection this year. http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/ElectedOfficials/Pages/DistrictAttorney.aspx

Good luck with that...

 

[Miss Muffet]

DA Wolfson is running for reelection this year. http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/ElectedOfficials/Pages/DistrictAttorney.aspx

Good luck with that...

That explains everything!

 

[LancelotLink]

I agree. If they stick with the ridiculous two-unrelated-cars theory, the jury will likely be no more willing than most of us are to convict a man of first-degree murder when the alleged victims have deliberately impeded the police investigation and lied more than the defendant has. Lied brazenly! About hugely important parts of the incident!

If the prosecution simply embraced what actually happened, they would be able to address those things in a straightforward way.

IMO, the stupid two-car theory will actually make it harder to convict EN of anything. The two-car theory means that not only did TM & BM decide to play vigilante, but they ended up playing vigilante against an innocent bystander who was simply hanging out at the park minding his own business.

Frankly, IMO, if vigilantes roll up behind you and point a gun at you and chase you, you're pretty justified in almost any response you make to that. Even if you over-react and press your "defense" past the point of defense and into offense territory, you're only guilty of overreacting to an extreme threat. Lots of people will have trouble convicting an innocent bystander who was targeted by armed vigilantes.

If they have evidence of unclean hands on all parties, could explain the reluctance in turning over discovery.

 

[sonjay]

If they have evidence of unclean hands on all parties, could explain the reluctance in turning over discovery.

Quite possibly.

IMO, if there's evidence of unclean hands all around, the prosecution needs to acknowledge that and deal with it head-on. I don't see any way they can win a case like this through subterfuge and misdirection.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

IMO, the stupid two-car theory will actually make it harder to convict EN of anything. The two-car theory means that not only did TM & BM decide to play vigilante, but they ended up playing vigilante against an innocent bystander who was simply hanging out at the park minding his own business.

Frankly, IMO, if vigilantes roll up behind you and point a gun at you and chase you, you're pretty justified in almost any response you make to that. Even if you over-react and press your "defense" past the point of defense and into offense territory, you're only guilty of overreacting to an extreme threat. Lots of people will have trouble convicting an innocent bystander who was targeted by armed vigilantes.

Yeah, making him the innocent bystander who is [over]reacting makes it harder for the prosecution than having this be outgrowth of some illicit business dispute that happened over a course of days. By tying this into a larger deal (like what had originally be done with the road rage killer establishing M1 with the death threat), it's far easier to establish all the elements for M1 that way then trying to get to M1 because some innocent bystander did an instant response within seconds to armed vigilantes that came out of the blue and no matter how paranoid EN is painted, you just can't get around that while having to drag all the excess baggage with you on top of this. An illicit business deal that went sideways ending up in a violent dispute that turned deadly is quite straightforward and not subject to juror sympathy.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think the unclean hands reach all the way into LE, DA and/or other political offices. That's the only explanation I can imagine would cause them to hide the drug aspect.

 

[LancelotLink]

Quite possibly.

IMO, if there's evidence of unclean hands all around, the prosecution needs to acknowledge that and deal with it head-on. I don't see any way they can win a case like this through subterfuge and misdirection.

Exactly! They can't. How will they present their case without opening the door. But they may try. In the face of no evidence, attack the defense. Paint them as attacking the victim. I don't think the jury will buy it, because no reasonable person who sees this train wreck of a case will fall for that sort of manipulation. I really need to contact the local channels and ask them to live stream all visits to court. I find pre trial motions as fascinating as the trial.

 

[LancelotLink]

I think the unclean hands reach all the way into LE, DA and/or other political offices. That's the only explanation I can imagine would cause them to hide the drug aspect.

ITA. I think they know exactly what happened that night, they know who the players are. They have trapped themselves in their narrative.

 

[Snoods]

Bingo. He could just start telling 27 different versions of the same story and everyone would be so confused they'd just give him a pass. This is the most bizarre case I've ever followed. I'm just thankful that Mr. Meyers has shut the hell up and quit giving all those stories so I'm not even more confused. I've never seen a case with so many different and confusing accounts of what happened.
What baffles me is how the victim's family had time and presence of mind to even come up with the lies in the time between Tammy getting shot and the police arriving and interviewing them. ???
I just cannot imagine I'd be able to conspire to fib with my mom dying (as good as dead) in my yard.
At any rate...you're right. They haven't been charged with anything...yet...which is odd because I know that making a false police report is a huge no-no here. Maybe the laws are different in Vegas.
A very odd and perplexing case indeed.

BBM That has always bothered me as well, Midge Montana. How they had the presence of mind to get their lies straight at such a time is disturbing. They decided pretty quickly that they were going to thwart police in their search for the people that shot their own mother.

 

[Snoods]

LOL I must be the other half who's out to get him because I never gave him a ride..

Funny!