GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[SeeAlice]

I think Claus will embarrass the DA.
Please answer this regardless who you think is innocent or guilty!! Why the rush for GJ indictment, reluctant to reveal evidence, rush to trial (i call BS on this one), don't explain the many"road rage"scenarios, or is it pressure to settle and lets not forget the re-election this year! This is considered a high profile case..Yet, I don't understand why we have had no investigators/reporters actually investigating, leaks, anonymous witnesses come forth, LVDA updates?


Come on my fellow sleuths!! There is a problem with this case and it goes back to Meyer's, I'm convinced!
Also, LVDA needs to do what is right ..... I would respect his honesty. But, don't grasp at innocent people or change the story to get a conviction!!


Not buying it!!

I think I saw that the judge had set a trial date of May 26. Do they do everything that fast in Vegas?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Why a "50 minute" driving lesson? Unusual detail, seems like.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/suspected-getaway-driver-tammy-meyers-death-gets-lawyer

According KM's GJ testimony the driving lesson would have continued on longer, but they saw someone acting like how EN says he was acting and that caused TM to roll up the windows, end the lesson early and take over driving. Then plus or minus some drama that's about where TM returned with an armed BM and chased the Audi.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Why a "50 minute" driving lesson? Unusual detail, seems like.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/suspected-getaway-driver-tammy-meyers-death-gets-lawyer

Read the quotes after the article. One person posts DA was overheard telling his lawyer to negotiate a deal for him to testify against EN. I wonder if that's true.

 

[SeeAlice]

Read the quotes after the article. One person posts DA was overheard telling his lawyer to negotiate a deal for him to testify against EN. I wonder if that's true.

I think that person may be joking or theorizing. Not sure though.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It has been a few slows days. Where is RM when we need him? Not a peep out of him since March 23rd

 

[PaperDoll]

It has been a few slows days. Where is RM when we need him? Not a peep out of him since March 23rd

Yes it has been slow.. Now that I'm back in Vegas seems like it all slowed down.. lol I have time to post my opinion and it needs to be heard :tantrum:

 

[Snoods]

Where does it say that the accident location was at the intersection of South Buffalo and Alta?

Sorry, according to earlier news reports the Sean of the accident was at S. Buffalo and Alta.

According to Las Vegas Metro police, 44-year-old Tammy Meyers was teaching her daughter to drive in the parking lot of school near her home. While driving back to her home near Alta and Buffalo drives, Meyers nearly hit another car, and an argument happened with the man who was driving the other vehicle. Later, the man in the other car came to Meyers' home and fired several shots. She was hit in the head.

http://www.wave3.com/story/28113842/woman-shot-in-apparent-road-rage-shooting-dies

He said the shooting occurred after his wife’s vehicle and a silver sedan were in a crash when she was driving home from Johnson Middle School, near the intersection of Alta and South Buffalo drives. She was teaching her daughter how to parallel park, Meyers said.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/mother-four-shot-road-rage-incident-dies

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Sorry, according to earlier news reports the Sean of the accident was at S. Buffalo and Alta.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/mother-four-shot-road-rage-incident-dies

Also from the RJ article is this, which was expressly denied by KM in the GJ testimony and this is something coming from LE rather than RM, BBM:
When his wife pulled over after the crash, there was a confrontation and at least one of the three people from the other car threatened her, Meyers said.

Sensing danger, Tammy Meyers got back into her vehicle and drove away from the scene, police said. The other vehicle followed Meyers and her daughter back to the family’s house, in the 7900 block of Mt. Shasta Circle.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Also from the RJ article is this, which was expressly denied by KM in the GJ testimony and this is something coming from LE rather than RM, BBM:
When his wife pulled over after the crash, there was a confrontation and at least one of the three people from the other car threatened her, Meyers said.

Sensing danger, Tammy Meyers got back into her vehicle and drove away from the scene, police said. The other vehicle followed Meyers and her daughter back to the family’s house, in the 7900 block of Mt. Shasta Circle.

Are you implying those two are describing two different scenarios? Although each one provides different details, those details don't necessarily replace the other details. You can put them all together and it makes sense:

When TM pulled over after the crash, she got out of her car and there was a confrontation. Sensing danger after being verbally threatened, TM got back into her vehicle and drove away from the scene. The other vehicle followed Meyers and her daughter back to the family’s house, in the 7900 block of Mt. Shasta Circle.

Maybe I'm confused about the point you're trying to make here.

 

[PaperDoll]

Sorry, according to earlier news reports the Sean of the accident was at S. Buffalo and Alta.



http://www.wave3.com/story/28113842/woman-shot-in-apparent-road-rage-shooting-dies



http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/mother-four-shot-road-rage-incident-dies

Thank you but that is just the news reporting, it's not in the police report nor GJ Statement. The news is just giving a brief statement and the Meyers lives near Alta and Buffalo so it just sounds like they were saying "as they were driving back to her home near Alta and Buffalo, doesn't say there was a accident on those streets, IMO.

 

[sonjay]

Thank you but that is just the news reporting, it's not in the police report nor GJ Statement. The news is just giving a brief statement and the Meyers lives near Alta and Buffalo so it just sounds like they were saying "as they were driving back to her home near Alta and Buffalo, doesn't say there was a accident on those streets, IMO.

This is exactly how I understood those two statements. Essentially, they were saying "driving back to her home, which is near Alta and Buffalo" -- not "while driving at Alta and Buffalo"

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Are you implying those two are describing two different scenarios? Although each one provides different details, those details don't necessarily replace the other details. You can put them all together and it makes sense:
When TM pulled over after the crash, she got out of her car and there was a confrontation. Sensing danger after being verbally threatened, TM got back into her vehicle and drove away from the scene. The other vehicle followed Meyers and her daughter back to the family’s house, in the 7900 block of Mt. Shasta Circle.
Maybe I'm confused about the point you're trying to make here.

I'm saying these are two different scenarios between what LE said then and what KM said in GJ testimony. It went across pages in the GJ testimony with KM saying that TM stayed in the car and that the threat came when they were inside the car with the person standing at their front bumper. KM describes it as one quick thing where the alleged road rager got out of the car while they are still inside rather than describing it as an inspection followed by a confrontation with TM outside and then getting back in. KM expressly denies in her testimony that TM got out and says that her mom didn't move and KM she screamed "mommy, mommy, mommy" with her mom in the driver's seat. Notwithstanding that this death threat came from a person standing at their front bumper, KM says that TM drove around this person standing in front of their car. This on pages 14-18 of the GJ testimony.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Thank you but that is just the news reporting, it's not in the police report nor GJ Statement. The news is just giving a brief statement and the Meyers lives near Alta and Buffalo so it just sounds like they were saying "as they were driving back to her home near Alta and Buffalo, doesn't say there was a accident on those streets, IMO.

The "incident" occurred on Cimarron between Westcliff and Ducharme. They turned off Westcliff and headed southbound on Cimarron towards Ducharme. I envisioned the "incident" happening just prior to the intersection of Ducharme, which is the road she turned eastbound onto to head home.

It's in the warrant. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'm saying these are two different scenarios between what LE said then and what KM said in GJ testimony. It went across pages in the GJ testimony with KM saying that TM stayed in the car and that the threat came when they were inside the car with the person standing at their front bumper. KM describes it as one quick thing where the alleged road rager got out of the car while they are still inside rather than describing it as an inspection followed by a confrontation with TM outside and then getting back in. KM expressly denies in her testimony that TM got out and says that her mom didn't move and KM she screamed "mommy, mommy, mommy" with her mom in the driver's seat. Notwithstanding that this death threat came from a person standing at their front bumper, KM says that TM drove around this person standing in front of their car. This on pages 14-18 of the GJ testimony.

Based on everything we've learned about TM and her chasing a gang member home and confronting him in his driveway, I'll be she did get out of the car to confront the "road rager." When he dished it back and scared her, she got into her car and headed home to get her son and his gun. She wasn't about to let some road raging guy get away with intimidating her!!!!

I can't help it, but this is the TM I envision these days. I'll bet she was the initial road rager at the incident, and the guy only flipped out at her and threatened them after she came out of her car screaming.

 

[Snoods]

Thank you but that is just the news reporting, it's not in the police report nor GJ Statement. The news is just giving a brief statement and the Meyers lives near Alta and Buffalo so it just sounds like they were saying "as they were driving back to her home near Alta and Buffalo, doesn't say there was a accident on those streets, IMO.

Agreed, the wording is ambiguous in those articles. The wording is more specific in an MSM article below, but it is only MSM so take it for what it's worth.

I always thought during the first day or so reports were coming out that the (imaginary) accident happened at a separate location (Buffalo and Alta) from the "I'm going to kill you and your mom" incident (Cimarron), although it was during the same drive KM and TM were on.

Then, LE made a statement denying that the accident ever happened. Later in GJ testimony KM does describe the "sideswipe" incident, but this doesn't refer to the same accident that LE states never happened, correct? I always assumed the one that never happened on Alta and Buffalo and the sideswipe that occurred before the "I'm going to kill you" on Cimarron were two separate incidents, with the Alta and Buffalo one being false. Otherwise, which accident is LE referring to that never happened?

I'm so confused. I give up...:gaah:

Meyers’ family has said her car actually crashed with the other vehicle near the intersection of Alta and Buffalo drives, an assertion contradicted by Las Vegas police. She then went home to the 7900 block of Mt. Shasta Circle, about a half mile from the school. She also called an adult son who was at the house, knowing that he had a gun, said the family.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...d-rage-fit-recalled-nurturing-las-vegas-vigil

 

[sonjay]

http://www.therepublic.com/view/sto...52f9a98d9449b9/NV--Vegas-Neighborhood-Killing

A co-defendant got a lawyer and pleaded not guilty Tuesday to murder, attempted murder and other charges in the shooting death of a mother of four in a Las Vegas neighborhood.
​

I especially liked this part:

The shooting was initially described as a road rage incident, but revelations later suggested it stemmed from a tragic series of coincidences and misperceptions.
​

Nowsch lived one street away from the Meyers, and police and prosecutors say he knew the family well enough to have had dinner at their home at least once.

But Nowsch apparently didn't recognize the Meyers' green sedan on the night of the shooting.

He later told friends he thought the people in a green car cruising slowly through a school parking lot late at night were after him, authorities said.

Police say Meyers' daughter was at the wheel at the time, practicing driving with her mother.

Later, Meyers apparently thought Andrews' silver Audi was the same silver car that blocked her path home from the driving lesson with a driver who, according to the daughter, threatened them.
​

 

[BellaVita]

The "incident" occurred on Cimarron between Westcliff and Ducharme. They turned off Westcliff and headed southbound on Cimarron towards Ducharme. I envisioned the "incident" happening just prior to the intersection of Ducharme, which is the road she turned eastbound onto to head home.

It's in the warrant. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

IF you believe the testimony, it seems more likely that the incident where the road rager gets out of the car occurred just around the bend of Westcliff and Cimarron, not near the intersection with Ducharme.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

"the daughter said as they turned southbound onto Cimarron from Westcliff the silver car passed them"
It is at that point the driver got out to confront

ALSO

"Brandon said his mother pointed to the intersection of Cimarron and Westcliff telling him it happened there."

Then there is the question of why in the world TM and KM were all the way over on Durango if they were intending to head home.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

IF you believe the testimony, it seems more likely that the incident where the road rager gets out of the car occurred just around the bend of Westcliff and Cimarron, not near the intersection with Ducharme.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

"the daughter said as they turned southbound onto Cimarron from Westcliff the silver car passed them"
It is at that point the driver got out to confront

ALSO

"Brandon said his mother pointed to the intersection of Cimarron and Westcliff telling him it happened there."

Then there is the question of why in the world TM and KM were all the way over on Durango if they were intending to head home.

Mogg testified that it was just about 50 feet south of that intersection. It occurring near the intersection of Buffalo and Alta made more sense than it occurring near Cimarron and Westcliff if they were heading home as KM testified, but having that longer route eats up more of the clock in explaining the alleged half an hour between incidents. If their story is to be believed, it isn't explained how they as the slow car got themselves ahead of the fast car on a single lane road when the car had already passed them previously.

 

[PaperDoll]

Agreed, the wording is ambiguous in those articles. The wording is more specific in an MSM article below, but it is only MSM so take it for what it's worth.

I always thought during the first day or so reports were coming out that the (imaginary) accident happened at a separate location (Buffalo and Alta) from the "I'm going to kill you and your mom" incident (Cimarron), although it was during the same drive KM and TM were on.

Then, LE made a statement denying that the accident ever happened. Later in GJ testimony KM does describe the "sideswipe" incident, but this doesn't refer to the same accident that LE states never happened, correct? I always assumed the one that never happened on Alta and Buffalo and the sideswipe that occurred before the "I'm going to kill you" on Cimarron were two separate incidents, with the Alta and Buffalo one being false. Otherwise, which accident is LE referring to that never happened?

I'm so confused. I give up...:gaah:



http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...d-rage-fit-recalled-nurturing-las-vegas-vigil

IMO the "accident" could simply mean the side swipe and the media was playing it up calling it a accident.

 

[PaperDoll]

IF you believe the testimony, it seems more likely that the incident where the road rager gets out of the car occurred just around the bend of Westcliff and Cimarron, not near the intersection with Ducharme.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

"the daughter said as they turned southbound onto Cimarron from Westcliff the silver car passed them"
It is at that point the driver got out to confront

ALSO

"Brandon said his mother pointed to the intersection of Cimarron and Westcliff telling him it happened there."

Then there is the question of why in the world TM and KM were all the way over on Durango if they were intending to head home.

BBM: I wondered that too. I'm thinking maybe they wanted to extend the driving lesson??? I really don't know why they didn't go straight home..