GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[SpanishInquisition]

IMO the "accident" could simply mean the side swipe and the media was playing it up calling it a accident.

KM testified to the GJ that their car was hit, BBM:

A. We turned right and then we went straight
and then we turned right and he got, he turned with us
but he swerved in the bus lane and he hit my side.
Q. Hit the passenger side of the car?
A. Yes.

 

[PaperDoll]

Mogg testified that it was just about 50 feet south of that intersection. It occurring near the intersection of Buffalo and Alta made more sense than it occurring near Cimarron and Westcliff if they were heading home as KM testified, but having that longer route eats up more of the clock in explaining the alleged half an hour between incidents. If their story is to be believed, it isn't explained how they as the slow car got themselves ahead of the fast car on a single lane road when the car had already passed them previously.

Cimarron would have taken them home quicker than Buffalo so I'm not sure why they would have driven on Buffalo. I'm also not sure why BM and TM took Buffalo when they went looking for the road rager, but it is another way to get to their house.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Cimarron would have taken them home quicker than Buffalo so I'm not sure why they would have driven on Buffalo. I'm also not sure why BM and TM took Buffalo when they went looking for the road rager, but it is another way to get to their house.

Villa Monterey to Cherry River would have taken them home infinitely quicker than Villa Monterey to Alta to Durango, etc. I don't believe their road rage stories where they drive all over town on their way home and then they drove all over town again looking for the alleged road rager when instead Villa Monterey to Cherry River takes them right home and they would have driven by their home again under the current scenario of being on Alta to Durango, so they past turn offs twice to their home when they were allegedly going home and supposedly ran into a road rager.

 

[PaperDoll]

I know most people here don't believe the driving lesson story, or even the road rage, but since I've read the police report and the GJ Statement, I'm going with the driving lesson and road rager story until I learn more. So with that said I'm not sure why KM and TM didn't go directly home after they finished driving in the school lot, instead they went elsewhere. Again, maybe they wanted to finish the driving lesson on the main streets. MOO!

 

[SeeAlice]

I know most people here don't believe the driving lesson story, or even the road rage, but since I've read the police report and the GJ Statement, I'm going with the driving lesson and road rager story until I learn more. So with that said I'm not sure why KM and TM didn't go directly home after they finished driving in the school lot, instead they went elsewhere. Again, maybe they wanted to finish the driving lesson on the main streets. MOO!

Or, as I'm sure someone in the family has previously said, to prevent the road rager dude from knowing where they live.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Or, as I'm sure someone in the family has previously said, to prevent the road rager dude from knowing where they live.

That was a explanation for why they went back out after they got home, not the explanation for what they were allegedly doing on Durango in the first place before they got home.

 

[sonjay]

That was a explanation for why they went back out after they got home, not the explanation for what they were allegedly doing on Durango in the first place before they got home.

Well, that was one of the explanations for why they went back out after they got home. Another explanation was that "he knew where we live" and TM went back out again to "take it away from the house."

I've still seen no evidence whatsoever that there were any driving lessons or any road rage. The police aren't looking for the spiky-haired dude. The police have said (including in GJ testimony) that despite KM's claim that the road rager hit their car, there were no signs that the Buick had been hit. The entire driving lesson/road rage story has been changing constantly. Every time that story is told, key details change.

There's no evidence that the driving lesson/road rage story is any other than a completely made-up story whose purpose was to replace the real story of what actually happened.

Here are the ways in which KM's road rage story correlates with BM's car chase & shootout story:

KM	BM
Green car went to school for driving lesson — EN saw Buick at school	Green car went to school to look for silver car — EN saw Buick at school
Driving route was south, then west, then north, then east, then south, past school, then west & south to home	Driving route was south, then west, then north, then east, then south, past school, then west & south to home
Near collision, green car honked at silver car — this set off the chase and shooting	Green car brandished or pointed gun at silver car — this set off the chase and shooting
Silver car chased green car	Green car chased silver car
Silver car stopped diagonally in front of green car and blocked its path	Silver car stopped diagonally in front of green car and blocked its path
Silver car driver got out and threatened green car	Silver car passenger shot at green car
Green car fled back to cul de sac	Green car fled back to cul de sac
KM sees silver car driving south on Carmel Peak	BM sees silver car driving north on Carmel Peak
TM sends KM into the house, leaving TM at the car	TM tells BM to take cover, BM runs toward the house, leaving TM at the car
Silver car turned into cul de sac and began shooting	Silver car turned into cul de sac and began shooting
BM came out of house & returned fire	BM hid behind truck and returned fire
Silver car left	Silver car left

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I know most people here don't believe the driving lesson story, or even the road rage, but since I've read the police report and the GJ Statement, I'm going with the driving lesson and road rager story until I learn more. So with that said I'm not sure why KM and TM didn't go directly home after they finished driving in the school lot, instead they went elsewhere. Again, maybe they wanted to finish the driving lesson on the main streets. MOO!

When you say you've read the police report, do you mean the actual report that was given the night of the incident, or the arrest warrant/criminal complaint? I've not been able to find the actual police report from that night, could you please link to it here for me? Thank you.

 

[SeeAlice]

KM testified to the GJ that their car was hit, BBM:

Based on the photo I saw of the damage, the defense attorneys will have a ball with that, IMO. I don't think causing that damage via a sideswipe (or any other crash scenario - except maybe a parking lot kind of thing) is physically possible. Wasn't it just a missing piece of trim on the passenger side door, no paint scrapes or any other damage?

 

[LancelotLink]

DA will not seek death penalty against Nowsch, Andrews

“The death penalty is reserved for the worst of the worst,” Wolfson said. “With that in mind, the facts presented in this case do not warrant the death penalty.”

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...ty-against-Nowsch/fn1XAg9-rkSF-NdMT3Q-9Q.cspx

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/prosecutor-won-t-seek-death-penalty-erich-nowsch

 

[SeeAlice]

That city is every reporter's dream. No end to the attention-grabbing stories, is there?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas

 

[PaperDoll]

When you say you've read the police report, do you mean the actual report that was given the night of the incident, or the arrest warrant/criminal complaint? I've not been able to find the actual police report from that night, could you please link to it here for me? Thank you.

I can't find the actual police report from that night, the only one I have is the warrant/criminal compliant. I wish we had the original report but apparently it's not available at this time

 

[newone]

I can't find the actual police report from that night, the only one I have is the warrant/criminal compliant. I wish we had the original report but apparently it's not available at this time

I will be interested to hear the details of the originating 911 call -- guessing that will be shared during the trial.

 

[Snoods]

Based on the photo I saw of the damage, the defense attorneys will have a ball with that, IMO. I don't think causing that damage via a sideswipe (or any other crash scenario - except maybe a parking lot kind of thing) is physically possible. Wasn't it just a missing piece of trim on the passenger side door, no paint scrapes or any other damage?

I have screenshots saved of the car after the accident from one of the earlier videos. I circled where the very small section of moulding is missing.

LE should have been able to find the missing moulding somewhere along Cimarron if it happened as KM said it did IMO. But it would have had to have been some fancy driving to knock off a tiny section of moulding while dangerously sideswiping a car and not leave any other marks elsewhere. Again, IMO.

 

[newone]

not one bullet hole in the windows? Those windows are pretty darkly tinted and I think it would be hard to see anyone in the car at night.

 

[Snoods]

Villa Monterey to Cherry River would have taken them home infinitely quicker than Villa Monterey to Alta to Durango, etc. I don't believe their road rage stories where they drive all over town on their way home and then they drove all over town again looking for the alleged road rager when instead Villa Monterey to Cherry River takes them right home and they would have driven by their home again under the current scenario of being on Alta to Durango, so they past turn offs twice to their home when they were allegedly going home and supposedly ran into a road rager.

Exactly. Their hastily thrown together explanations for the out of the way driving routes were unbelievable. (Allow me to get a bit offtrack here) BM did everything he could to erase himself from the events of the evening (at the expense of KM/TM). At first he only placed himself as the white knight coming out to try and save his mom. Only after their lies came apart at the seams did he (somewhat) fess up, although still managing to white knight it. "I insisted my mom call 911" and "I couldn't let her go alone". Blerf. IMO.

 

[BellaVita]

Originally posted by SpanishInquisition:
We know however that it wasn't as the CCTV footage shows the silver car turning onto Carmel Peak from Cherry River and going south at 11:22, unless the CCTV footage is an hour off and that footage was captured at 10:22, which itself presents problems.

Just looking at the CCTV info again after having a better understanding/knowledge of the testimony. I don't see how that could be THE AUDI that had been on Mt. Shasta. If anything, it would have been the Buick or another car if time stamp is correct. If the time stamp was off and it was 10:22 and the silver car WAS shining a spotlight, something else is going on that we don't know about. At the 11:22 mark the shooting had happened already and it seems that BM and Mogg agree that lights were seen coming from the South on Carmel, not from the North on Carmel from Cherry River. EN also says he was driving North. They all agree on that point. How good is the video? Can you really tell the car is silver? Make and model? I can't tell much for sure. If the time is really 10:22 and it is shown that the car in the CCTV is the one involved in the shooting and was shining a spotlight, then I start to think that there was a lot more than driving lessons going on. The timeline still doesn't make sense. I'd like to know how Mogg tied down the time to 10:50 as being when TM and KM left the school. Didn't even say approximately. They allegedly took a 3 mile ride back to Shasta. Even at 30mph, that is only 6 minutes long. Throw in a couple more minutes for possible stop signs, lights and road rage, they are back at Shasta at 11:00. BM and TM route was 2 miles long. Some of it at high speed. That event could not have lasted long at all. If you allow 7 minutes for that to unfold, BM and TM would have left Shasta at approximately 11:15. What was happening between 11:00 and 11:15? If there was really a 15 minute time gap, how did TM expect to find a random road rager?

Also, in early news accounts, before we knew BM was in the car for the alleged 2nd event, it was stated that KM alerted BM before the Buick arrived at Shasta. If true, what was the time she dialed him? How does it fit into the above timeline? And KM says she thought she saw the silver car driving SOUTH on Carmel. If she dialed BM ahead of time and he answered the phone, then she would not have had to go in the house and wake him up (first version). I think the police heard a bungled cover-up and realized it early on. If they looked at her cell phone and saw a phone call placed before 11:00, then they pretty much know that everything is a lie and there is way more to it. I've also noticed that in early police statements, before it was known publicly that TM and BM hunted for the silver car, police were very vague: only saying that the silver car arrived on Shasta "sometime later" and never committing to any timeframe.

 

[sonjay]

Just looking at the CCTV info again after having a better understanding/knowledge of the testimony. I don't see how that could be THE AUDI that had been on Mt. Shasta. If anything, it would have been the Buick or another car if time stamp is correct. If the time stamp was off and it was 10:22 and the silver car WAS shining a spotlight, something else is going on that we don't know about. At the 11:22 mark the shooting had happened already and it seems that BM and Mogg agree that lights were seen coming from the South on Carmel, not from the North on Carmel from Cherry River. EN also says he was driving North. They all agree on that point. How good is the video? Can you really tell the car is silver? Make and model? I can't tell much for sure. If the time is really 10:22 and it is shown that the car in the CCTV is the one involved in the shooting and was shining a spotlight, then I start to think that there was a lot more than driving lessons going on. The timeline still doesn't make sense. I'd like to know how Mogg tied down the time to 10:50 as being when TM and KM left the school. Didn't even say approximately. They allegedly took a 3 mile ride back to Shasta. Even at 30mph, that is only 6 minutes long. Throw in a couple more minutes for possible stop signs, lights and road rage, they are back at Shasta at 11:00. BM and TM route was 2 miles long. Some of it at high speed. That event could not have lasted long at all. If you allow 7 minutes for that to unfold, BM and TM would have left Shasta at approximately 11:15. What was happening between 11:00 and 11:15? If there was really a 15 minute time gap, how did TM expect to find a random road rager?

Also, in early news accounts, before we knew BM was in the car for the alleged 2nd event, it was stated that KM alerted BM before the Buick arrived at Shasta. If true, what was the time she dialed him? How does it fit into the above timeline? And KM says she thought she saw the silver car driving SOUTH on Carmel. If she dialed BM ahead of time and he answered the phone, then she would not have had to go in the house and wake him up (first version). I think the police heard a bungled cover-up and realized it early on. If they looked at her cell phone and saw a phone call placed before 11:00, then they pretty much know that everything is a lie and there is way more to it. I've also noticed that in early police statements, before it was known publicly that TM and BM hunted for the silver car, police were very vague: only saying that the silver car arrived on Shasta "sometime later" and never committing to any timeframe.

There is soooo much in this whole event that doesn't make sense. The various stories conflict so directly with each other. The times don't fit. None of it fits.

We can be pretty sure that the silver car shot at the green car over on Villa Monterey, followed shortly thereafter by the shootout in the cul de sac.

We really can't be sure of much of anything else.

I'm sure that it was not an innocent driving lesson followed by a road rage followed by a chase and shooting. It just wasn't. I don't know exactly what it was, but it wasn't that.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If there was really a 15 minute time gap, how did TM expect to find a random road rager?

That to me is an area where things could blow up. Being home was described as a rather quick stopover where TM never went inside, but I don't see how they either weren't at home for an extended period of time or something else went on that we aren't told about. With or without the road rage, there's a large time gap. The longer the gap, the less it looks like they're trying to draw some unknown person away or find them. In the amount of time they were at home, LE could have arrived at their home and guarded it in response to an imminent mortal danger.

I've also noticed that in early police statements, before it was known publicly that TM and BM hunted for the silver car, police were very vague: only saying that the silver car arrived on Shasta "sometime later" and never committing to any timeframe.

The DA is going to have something that doesn't collapse under cross-examination. I'm really looking forward to reading the revised indictments to see if any of this addressed.

 

[PaperDoll]

I will be interested to hear the details of the originating 911 call -- guessing that will be shared during the trial.

I would love to hear it as well, I wish they would release more info to us.. I'm especially interested in the police report taken that night early morning.