GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Miss Muffet]

Pretty sure his lawyers primarily handle bankruptcies, don't they? Not sure how much clout they may hold with the DA.

What's the name of RM's attorney? They could be friends or friends of the family. The DA was a lawyer before he became DA. He's not some untouchable person who didn't/doesn't have a life. He has relatives and buddies he does guy stuff with like most other men.

(JMO, don't ever send BK attys to handle or advise your son's media interviews. That's like bringing a rolling pin to a gunfight. Major, major PR fail.)

While it is funny, I can understand him calling a lawyer he previously hired. It sort of indicates he hasn't had the need to know a criminal lawyer in the past.

 

[Miss Muffet]

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BBM. Oddly, it appears that RM wanted the DA to clarify that his wife and son went out with a gun and threatened and chased the wrong guy. That's the "clarification" he apparently wanted.

What an odd thing to want.

I agree with you there. It's equally perplexing why LVDA made the statement too. I don't think it's a coincidence RM's demand and LVDA's statement occurred within such a short time period.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Ahh, but there's the hitch. I don't believe very much that comes from KM. I don't know that I think she would intentionally misrepresent what she recalled, but perhaps her recollection is not all that reliable.

On that note, there is also the issue of imprinting memories on witnesses. RM's statements to media from the get-go almost certainly could not have been helpful to his 15 year old daughter's recall of the events of that night.

"Courts, lawyers and police officers are now aware of the ability of third parties to introduce false memories to witnesses."
http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue One/fisher&tversky.htm

The age or maturity of the witness is also an important factor in their ability to recall accurately.
http://www.intechopen.com/books/cur...t-of-cognitive-development-in-forensic-contex

ETA: To paraphrase Jose Baez, who is she going to believe, Daddy or her own lying eyes?

Then there's also the fact that it's harder to keep lies or a made-up story straight than it is the truth. Facts don't change in the truth, when you lie and especially when you have to change the story to cover inconsistencies it gets a lot easier to mix things up. The original story was made up on the fly, conspired to fit what they felt they needed to cover at the time, as her mother was bleeding out at her home or in the hospital good as dead (RM's words) and when people began to critique the original ridiculous version, they had to change things, again on the fly, time after time. It's no surprise it's all a jumbled mess. Especially taking into account the state of mind one is in when losing a family member they dearly loved.
I feel horrible for this young girl, more so than anyone else in this circus.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

All of these details about spiky haired guy are irrelevant. EN already confessed to what he did. DA can claim all he wants that he wasn't there, but cell phone records and a silver audi say otherwise.

Au contraire. Everything is relevant in this case. You can't just take out whichever details you want (general 'you' not you specifically) because this whole incident is based on a chain of events. Not to mention mitigating circumstances that will apply in court. The introduction of spiky-haired dude and two black people are part of the storyline given. That doesn't just go away, it's part of the big picture.

 

[SeeAlice]

What's the name of RM's attorney? They could be friends or friends of the family. The DA was a lawyer before he became DA. He's not some untouchable person who didn't/doesn't have a life. He has relatives and buddies he does guy stuff with like most other men.


While it is funny, I can understand him calling a lawyer he previously hired. It sort of indicates he hasn't had the need to know a criminal lawyer in the past.

Name is in this from the AP & republished by Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...afbb0e-d8cf-11e4-bf0b-f648b95a6488_story.html

Link to the interview with BM by John L. Smith.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/column...n-tammy-meyers-was-mom-people-would-want-have

"Brandon Meyers said with attorneys Samuel Schwartz and Frank Flanzburg present."

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Au contraire. Everything is relevant in this case. You can't just take out whichever details you want (general 'you' not you specifically) because this whole incident is based on a chain of events. Not to mention mitigating circumstances that will apply in court. The introduction of spiky-haired dude and two black people are part of the storyline given. That doesn't just go away, it's part of the big picture.

Taking out the spiky haired guy, you just have TM seeing someone at the park and returning to that same area with a gun, which make more sense than them somehow being on Durango when they were supposedly going home.

 

[sonjay]

Taking out the spiky haired guy, you just have TM seeing someone at the park and returning to that same area with a gun, which make more sense than them somehow being on Durango when they were supposedly going home.

And makes more sense than the idea that they mixed it up in an unrelated road rage incident with a silver car that looked almost-but-not-quite like DA's silver car.

I took out the spiky-haired guy a long time ago.

If spiky-haired dude existed, the police would be very interested in him. But they're not even looking for him. What does that tell us?

 

[LancelotLink]

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MMuffet, you wouldn't have a link for the LVDA statement, would you?

 

[SeeAlice]

And makes more sense than the idea that they mixed it up in an unrelated road rage incident with a silver car that looked almost-but-not-quite like DA's silver car.

I took out the spiky-haired guy a long time ago.

If spiky-haired dude existed, the police would be very interested in him. But they're not even looking for him. What does that tell us?

Well, DA could kind of resemble that guy, maybe?

 

[sonjay]

Well, DA could kind of resemble that guy, maybe?

No, not really. In fact, no, not at all.

 

[Miss Muffet]

MMuffet, you wouldn't have a link for the LVDA statement, would you?

RM's post was on the 12th, a Thursday. LVDA's office made the statement on the 16th, the following Monday.

"The state believes the first incident is totally unrelated to Erich Nowsch and the two shootings subsequent to the road rage incident," David Stanton, the Clark County prosecutor who presented evidence to the grand jury, told The Associated Press.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...le-preceded-Vegas-shooting.html#ixzz3WNCidIWE

and

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-vegas-mom-killed-20150316-story.html

 

[PaperDoll]

But she apparently did feel threatened by the park. If you believe KM's driving lesson story in the GJ transcript, she simply saw a guy doing nothing but walking back and forth, and it made her nervous enough that she ended the driving lesson and left.

I can't really agree with her feeling threatened by the park because it doesn't mean she walked her dog inside the park, she could walk the dog along the sidewalk of the park. Hope that made sense????? The park is not far at all from her house so I can see her walking her dog around the area, I would. Now I may not walk it too late in the evening and I don't think I would walk the dog inside the park. When I walk my dogs I simply tell my husband I'm taking the dogs for a walk, I'm not specific where I take them. Maybe TM took her dogs for a walk and RM assumed she would walk the dogs in the park, most people do. Again, the park is right there, one block away, in fact the park ends or begins, depending on which way you come in, is on the corner of Carmel Peak and Cherry River.

 

[sonjay]

RM's post was on the 12th, a Thursday. LVDA's office made the statement on the 16th, the following Monday.

Yes, the Monday that the GJ transcript was released, and reporters actually read it and asked Stanton about it. It wasn't pressure from RM or RM's lawyer; it was pressure from the media wanting to know what in the Sam Hill that testimony was about in the GJ.

 

[Miss Muffet]

No, not really. In fact, no, not at all.

I agree. Not at all. Totally different hairline, facial features, and weight. The sketch has an uncanny resemblance to the person who went missing two days prior to the shooting who is now dead. RM had posted on March 20th asking bounty hunters to find him and offered a reward. I'm sure it was a coincidence since it was an entirely different state.

 

[PaperDoll]

You've been to the neighborhood and have seen the park and the school first hand. You said there were many people in the park at a ballgame. I recall you didn't feel it was dangerous, and that you would only not walk inside the actual park after dark, but you would feel comfortable walking the sidewalks in the neighborhood after dark. Am I remembering how you felt about the area correctly?

Yes, I've been to the park but not in the evenings. I wouldn't walk my dogs inside the park late in the evenings because it is decent size park for the neighborhood. But I would walk my dogs on the outskirts of the park on the sidewalk and more so on the Cherry River side and not the Darchume (sp?) side.

 

[sonjay]

I can't really agree with her feeling threatened by the park because it doesn't mean she walked her dog inside the park, she could walk the dog along the sidewalk of the park. Hope that made sense????? The park is not far at all from her house so I can see her walking her dog around the area, I would. Now I may not walk it too late in the evening and I don't think I would walk the dog inside the park. When I walk my dogs I simply tell my husband I'm taking the dogs for a walk, I'm not specific where I take them. Maybe TM took her dogs for a walk and RM assumed she would walk the dogs in the park, most people do. Again, the park is right there, one block away, in fact the park ends or begins, depending on which way you come in, is on the corner of Carmel Peak and Cherry River.

Well, the dog walking is interesting because it's not just a reference to dog walking. RM specifically called out the weekend of Feb. 7-8 and said that TM walked the dogs in the park that weekend and may have encountered EN there.

It got everyone wondering why he would call out Feb. 7-8 specifically and what in the heck happened between TM and EN at the park on Feb. 7-8.

If TM routinely walked her dogs in the park, RM would have had no reason to specifically call out Feb. 7-8 for the dog walking encounter with EN. That suggests that TM didn't routinely walk her dogs in the park. Just Feb. 7-8, when she encountered EN there.

 

[SeeAlice]

I can't even remember what we're arguing about, LOL.

 

[sonjay]

I can't even remember what we're arguing about, LOL.

Well, dangit, you're no fun!

 

[Deleted member 50844]

And makes more sense than the idea that they mixed it up in an unrelated road rage incident with a silver car that looked almost-but-not-quite like DA's silver car.

I took out the spiky-haired guy a long time ago.

If spiky-haired dude existed, the police would be very interested in him. But they're not even looking for him. What does that tell us?

Oh, don't get me wrong...I do NOT believe the spiky-haired guy OR the two black men exist. But everything reported by the Ms is relevant. The State may not use it, but you can be sure the defense will bring it up. As I said, nothing is irrelevant when it comes trial time. There are a few people here that want to brush the lies under the rug, but that's just not going to happen. IMO, MOO and all that jazz.

 

[PaperDoll]

No, not really. In fact, no, not at all.

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I see similarities in the eyes, and the hair, well he could spike it up or wear in down. No glasses though on the sketch.