GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Miss Muffet]

I see similarities in the eyes, and the hair, well he could spike it up or wear in down. No glasses though on the sketch.

I haven't seen one picture of DA without his glasses, and I saw months and months of pictures of him on facebook. I haven't seen his hair spiked either.

He also doesn't match the hair color and weight descriptions. I think a lot more is needed than looking similar in the eyes.

 

[SeeAlice]

I haven't seen one picture of DA without his glasses, and I saw months and months of pictures of him on facebook. I haven't seen his hair spiked either.

He also doesn't match the hair color and weight descriptions. I think a lot more is needed than looking similar in the eyes.

I've always wondered how well I could do at describing someone to a police sketch artist. Not very well, I suspect. (LOL - obviously!)

 

[Miss Muffet]

Yes, the Monday that the GJ transcript was released, and reporters actually read it and asked Stanton about it. It wasn't pressure from RM or RM's lawyer; it was pressure from the media wanting to know what in the Sam Hill that testimony was about in the GJ.

It's more likely LVDA postponed making a statement until after the GJ transcript was released to prevent the defense from getting information sooner.

KM and BM didn't say anything in their testimony that there were two separate cars and two separate incidents. They couldn't do that even if LVDA wanted since they were both witnesses at two different times. In that regard, there really was nothing about KM and BM's testimony that would cause reporters to ask what in the Sam Hill the testimony was about in regards to the new two separate incidents story.

And didn't LE stated weeks before the GJ testimony that there was no accident and no road rage? If so, reporters wouldn't have been surprised when they read the GJ transcript.

 

[ontheclock]

JMO , no spiky-haired road-rage dude exists. I just can't decide if there was, in fact, a prior encounter that set off (or was part of) the events of that night. I feel like a prior encounter might be part of the story (saga). Can't shake the feeling that the "honking horn" part (of KM's story) holds a kernel of truth, and I'm not sure why. Help me out here. I definitely don't believe in a second, unrelated party, but I might consider a prior altercation that evening.

 

[Miss Muffet]

JMO , no spiky-haired road-rage dude exists. I just can't decide if there was, in fact, a prior encounter that set off (or was part of) the events of that night. I feel like a prior encounter might be part of the story (saga). Can't shake the feeling that the "honking horn" part (of KM's story) holds a kernel of truth, and I'm not sure why. Help me out here. I definitely don't believe in a second, unrelated party, but I might consider a prior altercation that evening.

I always felt the prior altercation occurred. I initially envisioned it being the same car. EN calling and asking for a ride because green buick is threatening him, and the Audi driver happening upon the buick as the Audi was on its way to picking up EN. The timing of everything allows for two altercations. Now that we know DA was arrested, interesting information has come out. Based on where his house is located, he could have encountered the buick on the way to picking up EN. I don't think that happened because 1) DA doesn't look like the type of personality who would road rage or threaten anyone (based on what I saw of him via social media); and 2) DA doesn't fit the description. Red hair is pretty noteworthy even for someone with KM's challenges. If we believe DA was the driver during the shooting, and I'm 98% sure DA was the driver during the shooting, that leaves us with an incident didn't happen or there were two separate cars. Since Mogg's testimony wasn't clear about how many cars showed up, we are all left to speculate about both options. My seeing someone standing in EN's driveway via the video of the Audi has me leaning towards there was more than one car.

 

[ontheclock]

Is it possible the "road rage" incident happened after EN was picked up? Sorry, need to reread the evidence.

 

[ontheclock]

I've always wondered how well I could do at describing someone to a police sketch artist. Not very well, I suspect. (LOL - obviously!)

Me too, I thought my son was black once. We're straight up white.

 

[LancelotLink]

Is there a list of coincidences somewhere? I'll bet that is a cracking good read.

 

[SeeAlice]

I'm reading thread 1 again. Things were happening so fast back then that I really didn't have time to read all the posts. Some very good ones on there, IMO.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Meyers-Shot-and-killed-in-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*

 

[ontheclock]

As for me, I got the distinct impression that the LVDA referring to the road rage car as a separate car and separate incident was his way of distancing himself from that testimony.

um hmm, achilles tendon.

 

[SeeAlice]

Is there a list of coincidences somewhere? I'll bet that is a cracking good read.

And a timeline with info from family above it and from LE below it.

 

[SeeAlice]

"I did what I had to do to protect my family," said BM.

What exactly is it that he did? Riding shotgun with your roadraging mom is passive, not active.

What did he have to do for his family? I swear, I just don't get it.

JMO

 

[ontheclock]

Either shiz was going down and he needed a gun, or mom and son both went cray-cray at the same moment. JMO.

 

[SeeAlice]

Throughout both alleged road rage incidents, none of the 3 Meyers apparently took the time to note the tag #, the make/model of the car, and didn't snap smartphone pics or video.

They knew EN. Not sure if they knew DA or his car.

Were they intentionally out there terrorizing/bullying that kid?

Had they been doing it for a while? All in jest (personal entertainment for a bunch of bullies) until finally it wasn't? (i.e., EN got a gun. I suspect it was rather recent because no pics of guns on his Instagram account, just a lot of pics of weed & 1 knife that I'm aware of.)

JMO

 

[SeeAlice]

Completely inaccurate descriptions of the shooter. And of the sequence of events.

Why?

Did we only get an arrest because LVMPD put all the family's stories aside and found the surveillance video and the cell phone records?

 

[LancelotLink]

Either shiz was going down and he needed a gun, or mom and son both went cray-cray at the same moment. JMO.

I'll take shiz for $6000.00, Alex.

 

[ontheclock]

I just feel there's a huge backstory here. I don't believe, for one minute, the official narrative we've been given. Oddly, Tammy's the odd man out, so to speak. I can think of a hundred scenarios considering only the juvies/kids involved. None of that seems strange to me. How and when and why she ending up dead is the real mystery to me. What gives?

It's obvious to me, IMO, that something more than an innocent driving lesson, road rage incident took place. WTF happened???

My son (the hot head) is the registered gun owner in our house. Tammy and I, and my son and BM are roughly the same ages. I keep trying to come up with a scenario that fits.

Sure, my son would grab his gun to defend me, but I can't imagine persuading him to "go riding", gun in tow, for revenge (remember, he's the hot-head, not me). Yep, I'm calling it revenge. The threat was over, supposedly.

 

[LancelotLink]

I just feel there's a huge backstory here. I don't believe, for one minute, the official narrative we've been given. Oddly, Tammy's the odd man out, so to speak. I can think of a hundred scenarios considering only the juvies/kids involved. None of that seems strange to me. How and when and why she ending up dead is the real mystery to me. What gives?

It's obvious to me, IMO, that something more than an innocent driving lesson, road rage incident took place. WTF happened???

My son (the hot head) is the registered gun owner in our house. Tammy and I, and my son and BM are roughly the same ages. I keep trying to come up with a scenario that fits.

Sure, my son would grab his gun to defend me, but I can't imagine persuading him to "go riding", gun in tow, for revenge (remember, he's the hot-head, not me). Yep, I'm calling it revenge. The threat was over, supposedly.

Yep. And why did they keep going back to the park?

 

[sonjay]

It's more likely LVDA postponed making a statement until after the GJ transcript was released to prevent the defense from getting information sooner.

KM and BM didn't say anything in their testimony that there were two separate cars and two separate incidents. They couldn't do that even if LVDA wanted since they were both witnesses at two different times. In that regard, there really was nothing about KM and BM's testimony that would cause reporters to ask what in the Sam Hill the testimony was about in regards to the new two separate incidents story.

And didn't LE stated weeks before the GJ testimony that there was no accident and no road rage? If so, reporters wouldn't have been surprised when they read the GJ transcript.

Well, yeah, I think there was. Up to that point, the story that everyone pretty much believed was that the road rage silver car and the chase/shooting silver car were the same car.

It was by a close study of the GJ transcript that we first began suspecting that the DA office's story was two different unrelated vehicles. Here's a link to the first post here on WS that points out this discrepancy:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*-5&p=11593741#post11593741

Our good friend SpanishInquisition was the first one here to notice and question the tinted windows/not-tinted windows discrepancy between KM's & BM's testimony, and the fact that Stanton specifically solicited the testimony regarding tinted/non-tinted windows. It still took us a while to realize the import of that particular testimony.

In my post here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Shot-and-killed-in-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*-5/page4
I observed that it appeared that Stanton's story was two different unrelated cars. We still didn't quite "get" that yes, indeed, that was the significance of that testimony.

Here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Las-Vegas-*Arrest*-5&p=11595241#post11595241
SpanishInquisition again observes that the point of that testimony seems to be two different unrelated cars.

If Spanish and I were reporters covering this case, we would have had a "What in the Sam Hill" moment over that testimony, and we would have asked Stanton to clarify what that testimony meant.

No one else here at WS even believed we were understanding that testimony correctly. We were the lone voices on that point until later on when Stanton was asked about it by a reporter. And then everyone here was flabbergasted.

Yes, that release of the GJ transcripts definitely offered a "What in the Sam Hill" moment for those who understood the significance of that testimony.

 

[sonjay]

Completely inaccurate descriptions of the shooter. And of the sequence of events.

Why?

Did we only get an arrest because LVMPD put all the family's stories aside and found the surveillance video and the cell phone records?

Actually, as I understand it, we only got an arrest because EN's friends, ZA & KK, called the police when they realized that EN's tale of the shooting was true.

The Meyerses certainly weren't giving police any useful information. They seemed to be doing their best to send police off on a wild goose chase after the spiky-haired dude.