GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #8

[sonjay]

Oxy plus diazepam is an extremely dangerous, volatile combination.

I'm not sure which would be worse: TM got her armed son and went out hunting that night while under the influence of extremely strong Schedule II prescription narcotics and Schedule IV prescription benzodiazepines (whether legally or illegally obtained), or that she got her armed son and went out hunting that night while in full control of her faculties.

 

[jjenny]

She was legally prescribed pain meds. She had a full right to take them.

 

[sonjay]

She was legally prescribed pain meds. She had a full right to take them.

That doesn't mean they didn't affect her judgment that night. It doesn't mean that the pills in her prescription bottle were the original pills that came from the pharmacy.

She apparently did not have a prescription for diazepam.

Quoting SpanishInquisition's post upthread:
"Combining opioids like oxycodone, morphine or heroin with diazepam is a common practice among recreational users of Valium. For some users, diazepam enhances the euphoric effects of opioid narcotics; for others, Valium helps to calm the symptoms of opioid withdrawal."

Nobody has a right to set off in a drug-fueled rage to hunt down someone with their armed son in tow, regardless of whether or not their scripts were legal. If she were under the influence of such drugs that night, it could help explain her reckless behavior.

 

[al66pine]

"Originally Posted by Meddlesome Kid It's extremely doubtful that TM received Oxyanything at the hospital. NO Oxy pre-fixed drug is meant to be injected and she would not have been able to swallow a pill at the time. Nor is Oxyanything used to induce a coma nor treat an acute or major head/brain injury."

Oxy was legally prescribed to her for back pain.

jjenny
Not sure what your post is implying (I'm pretty dense sometimes), so maybe someone c/explain.
Is it: Because TM had legit Rx for Oxy-something for back pain, that autopsy tox results
showing Oxy in her system at time of death is a logical, reasonable, expected finding?

I know virtually nothing about Oxy, side effects, how long it remains in system, etc.
But IIRC shortly after admission to hosp, TM was placed in medically induced coma or was brain dead.

Per Meddlesome Kid's ^post & other posts, TM w/not/h/bn admin'ed Oxy in hosp.
I wonder how long Oxy taken (if any) the night of shooting w/remain in her system? One day? 4 days?
Prob. depend on dosage, if any, taken that night.
JM2cts.

As sonjay points out-
1. Rx for Oxy does not mean TM used good judgment that night
(if she took some pre-shooting, or for that matter if she did not take any drugs).
2. # of pills left in Rx bottle a week or month after shooting does not mean they were the Rx pills.

Maybe jjenny's post implies something else, beyond fact that TM had Rx for Oxy.

 

[jjenny]

If she had a legally prescribed medication, why would be surprising that it was found in her tox screen?

 

[al66pine]

She had a prescription for pain meds for back pain. So she was legally taking them as prescribed.

Just backtracked to ^ post I missed.

If a person has Rx for a med, does it necessarily follow that the person takes them lawfully-
i.e., per doctor-prescriber's order, and per label, and per written "patient instructions"
or "patient information" provided w meds?

 

[sonjay]

If she had a legally prescribed medication, why would be surprising that it was found in her tox screen?

Who said it was surprising?

More importantly, how did the oxy/diazepam combo affect her judgment and decision-making abilities that night? If she weren't affected by oxy and diazepam, might she have realized that it was a very bad idea to take her armed son and go hunt for and chase someone that she was angry at? If she had not taken her armed son and gone hunting that night, she would almost certainly still be alive.

I wonder if it's possible that people tend to make better decisions when they're not taking strong narcotics and benzodiazepines?

 

[al66pine]

If she had a legally prescribed medication, why would be surprising that it was found in her tox screen?

IIUC, brain-dead ppl are not given oxy or any pain meds. Ppl in comas?

Per Meddlesome Kid's ^post & other posts, TM w/not/h/bn admin'ed Oxy in hosp.
I wonder how long Oxy taken (if any) the night of shooting w/remain in her system?
One, two, three, four days?
After ingestion (if any) night of shooting, until blood, urine collection at autopsy?
Prob. depend on dosage, if any, taken that night.
Like I said, IDK how long it remains detectable or measurable in system.

 

[Solitaryone]

I also take prescribed opiate pain and benzodiazepine medication, and there's no way I'd be out hunting anyone down, and I don't behave recklessly either. I'm not convinced the oxy and valium was the reason TM acted in the way she is said by BM/KM she did. I do wonder if alcohol was thrown into the mix though. If there had been drinking at some point that evening I can see how that would effect TM's judgement. Weren't they at a birthday celebration for one of the other sons earlier that day?

 

[sonjay]

I also take prescribed opiate pain and benzodiazepine medication, and there's no way I'd be out hunting anyone down, and I don't behave recklessly either. I'm not convinced the oxy and valium was the reason TM acted in the way she is said by BM/KM she did. I do wonder if alcohol was thrown into the mix though. If there had been drinking at some point that evening I can see how that would effect TM's judgement. Weren't they at a birthday celebration for one of the other sons earlier that day?

The birthday celebration was reported early on, but AFAIK has not been mentioned in a long time by the Meyers family, the prosecutors, or the defense. It wasn't brought up in the arrest affidavit or in the GJ testimony that's been released. We don't know who was at the celebration, where it took place, whether alcohol was present, who drank alcohol or how much, or when it ended.

 

[sonjay]

You know what I still can't figure out?

KM allegedly saw the road rager. The spiky-haired dude in the sketch. The one who allegedly followed TM & KM home and shot TM. That sketch was released a day or two after the shooting.

Then EN was arrested on Feb. 19.

Here on WS, everyone was all like, "Wow, EN looks nothing like the guy in the sketch." The neighbors who were interviewed all commented that EN looks nothing like the guy in the sketch.

RM made the news with his ranting about "there's the animal that animal that killed my wife!" and "Yeah, we knew him, but we couldn't tell you that."

But nobody in the Meyers family said, "Hey, wait a minute. EN isn't the road rage guy that threatened KM and her mom! KM got a good look at that guy -- he was the spiky-haired dude in the sketch!"

And yet .... it wasn't until after the GJ transcripts were released in the middle of March -- a whole month later -- that the story came out that TM & BM found and chased the wrong car.

So, I can't figure it. Despite KM's description of the spiky-haired dude, and her claim to have gotten a good look at him, and her certainty that spiky-haired road-rage guy was not EN, she nor her father nor any of her brothers ever said to anyone, "EN wasn't the road rager"? They never said to anyone, "TM & BM must have found the wrong car. There must have been two different silver cars that night."

And allegedly the spiky-haired road rager is still out there, still driving around with the potential of terrorizing and threatening other innocent moms and daughters.

 

[Hiandmighty]

BTW, i had wine with my friend the doctor the other night and turns out she has followed this case pretty well. She said no way oxy from hospital for the same reason another stated-- it only comes in pill form.

She said yes possibly valium from hospital if TM had seizures at any point on her way to brain dead diagnosis, quite common.

She suspects oxy bottle is old prescription TM kept filling meds into....

Again, take that for what it is worth which is nothing and is purely speculative...

 

[jjenny]

BTW, i had wine with my friend the doctor the other night and turns out she has followed this case pretty well. She said no way oxy from hospital for the same reason another stated-- it only comes in pill form.

She said yes possibly valium from hospital if TM had seizures at any point on her way to brain dead diagnosis, quite common.

She suspects oxy bottle is old prescription TM kept filling meds into....

Again, take that for what it is worth which is nothing and is purely speculative...

Nobody is saying she got oxy from the hospital. Where is it coming from? What old oxy bottle? She had a legal prescription for oxy for back pain. She was taking it legally.

 

[al66pine]

....She had a legal prescription for oxy for back pain. She was taking it legally.

sbm

First phrase: "legal prescription for oxy for back pain."
for sake of discussion, let's say/I'll agree, not requesting any further info now-
doctor wrote Oxy Rx, she had filled, ~ a month or two pre-shooting.

Second phrase: "She was taking it legally."
IIUC, you imply that while in hosp, she was taking it legally.
Several posters posted why they think (AFAIK, their opinions only, no links)
it is unlikely or virtually impossible that she received Oxy in hosp.

You posted as fact, multiple times: "She was taking it legally."
^Link and a copy & paste from the link, pls., showing TM took Oxy while in hosp.

Thx in adv.

 

[PaperDoll]

From what I gathered out of the interview (Meyers lawyer),she had a prescription of 60 pills and took only 1 in the last 45 days since itwas filled. Then the lawyer goes on to say there were 45/44 pills left.That tells me she took 16 pills but doesn't saywhen those were taken, nor does he mention any date it was filled, not thatthis means a thing to me because I do not believe her pain meds caused her todo what she did.In fact if she were ona Valium/muscle relaxant type drug, I would think it would relax her not makeher more aggressive.I do understanddrugs can have a adverse effect as well, but for the most part I think thedrugs do as they should.All drugs haveside effects and everyone is different and drugs react differently to somepeople.. However, with all that said, TM is the victim here and for some reason people are more interested in her drug history than they are EN's drug history, after all he is the one who shot and killed her, not the other way around.


ETA: Sorry about the typing of this post, sentences running together :crazy: typed it out then copied to past in word because I was interpreted..

 

[jjenny]

She wasn't taking oxy while in the hospital (since she had a gun shot wound to the head) and nobody claims she was.
Whatever she was taking prior to the arrival into the hospital would still be in her system upon arrival. And then show up in the toxicology report. If she was legally taking oxy prior to arrival it would show up in a tox sreen depending on when blood or urine were taken.

 

[jjenny]

From what I gathered out of the interview (Meyers lawyer),she had a prescription of 60 pills and took only 1 in the last 45 days since itwas filled. Then the lawyer goes on to say there were 45/44 pills left. That tells me she took 16 pills but doesn't saywhen those were taken, nor does he mention any date it was filled, not thatthis means a thing to me because I do not believe her pain meds caused her todo what she did. In fact if she were ona Valium/muscle relaxant type drug, I would think it would relax her not makeher more aggressive. I do understanddrugs can have a adverse effect as well, but for the most part I think thedrugs do as they should. All drugs haveside effects and everyone is different and drugs react differently to somepeople.. However, with all that said, TM is the victim here and for some reason people are more interested in her drug history than they are EN's drug history, after all he is the one who shot and killed her, not the other way around.

ITA. EN's own lawyer admitted EN was using to the point that he wanted his confession thrown out because of use. Somehow that is being ignored.

 

[PaperDoll]

ITA. EN's own lawyer admitted EN was using to the point that he wanted his confession thrown out because of use. Somehow that is being ignored.

I'm so tired of people using drug induce states as a reason to escape their crime. UGH!!!!

 

[al66pine]

She wasn't taking oxy while in the hospital (since she had a gun shot wound to the head) and nobody claims she was.
Whatever she was taking prior to the arrival into the hospital would still be in her system upon arrival. And then show up in the toxicology report. If she was legally taking oxy prior to arrival it would show up in a tox sreen depending on when blood or urine were taken.

Thank you very much for this post, clarifies the thought.

 

[sonjay]

However, with all that said, TM is the victim here and for some reason people are more interested in her drug history than they are EN's drug history, after all he is the one who shot and killed her, not the other way around.

<snipped for focus>

EN doesn't have a bunch of family members claiming that he's not a drug user; in fact, his lawyer went on television openly acknowledging his drug use. TM, OTOH, has family members claiming that she hated drugs and alcohol, and the family's lawyer even went on television making statements to that effect, right before the news was released that she had two very strong, very tightly regulated prescription drugs in her system. So.... frankly..... it's not news that EN smoked weed. It's news that TM was taking very strong prescription narcotics and anti-anxiety medications that are often abused.

There's ample evidence that TM's decisions and behavior that night played a contributing role in her death. She took her armed son and went out hunting for an alleged road rager whom she allegedly believed had threatened her. Then she allegedly found the wrong car and chased it, allegedly in the belief that it was the road rager's car. After she started chasing the wrong car (which EN was in), then and only then did EN start shooting. So there's a perfectly natural and understandable desire to know exactly what TM did that night and why, what led to the decisions she made, what her relationship was with the young man who shot her, and what prior interactions there had been between EN and the Meyers family, especially given that neither side apparently recognized the other side that night despite having had numerous prior interactions.