NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[GGE]

I fiddled with contrast and rotated the image and I still see what I've seen all along but have hesitated to post.. it looks like a bird of some kind superimposed on top of a headdress to me. I also question whether I"m seeing a head and beak but not where or how the previous poster who suggested it said they saw it. I'll try to post an outline in a moment.

 

[carbuff]

And here's the center of the bird. This was a lot less clear; there's some kind of big stain that runs down the middle, making it very difficult to make out the picture. I only marked the lines I was sure of. The yellow marks where the design shows orange. (I didn't have an orange pencil ) The second picture shows the part of the design I enlarged and worked with. Again, if you click on them, you should be able to enlarge them. The annotation text came out a bit too small this time. I'm not sure why.

I'm not sure quite what it shows. A face, maybe, but it's not real clear. Given the position of the wings and tail, it's where the face should be.

 

[GGE]

Apologies for the very rough job done in MS Paint. *eek*

(sorry I thought I was inserting the big image, not attaching a small one. Not sure if I can fix that.)

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[SeriouslySearching]

I have a question for the detectives.

When the body was found, would forensics have collected garbage like tin cans? I know the detectives believe it was a body dump sit, but I'm trying to determine if it's possible it was a temporary makeshift campsite until one or two people found housing. I feel there would be some evidence of a campfire and garbage that couldn't be burned. Would those things have been noted in the files by LE when the body was found?

If it's not noted, can we assume it's possible there was evidence of a campfire nearby along with tin cans and LE simply failed to mention it in the file? Or are there extensive pictures to rule out that possibility?

I am confused. Ksodetectives said there was no campsite. Maybe Mmarty could clarify this point.

 

[GGE]

And here's the center of the bird. This was a lot less clear; there's some kind of big stain that runs down the middle, making it very difficult to make out the picture. I only marked the lines I was sure of. The yellow marks where the design shows orange. (I didn't have an orange pencil ) The second picture shows the part of the design I enlarged and worked with. Again, if you click on them, you should be able to enlarge them. The annotation text came out a bit too small this time. I'm not sure why.

I'm not sure quite what it shows. A face, maybe, but it's not real clear. Given the position of the wings and tail, it's where the face should be.

Well we posted at the same time.. about the same "face"! Interesting!

 

[carbuff]

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I fiddled with contrast and rotated the image and I still see what I've seen all along but have hesitated to post.. it looks like a bird of some kind superimposed on top of a headdress to me. I also question whether I"m seeing a head and beak but not where or how the previous poster who suggested it said they saw it. I'll try to post an outline in a moment.

I see the part that looks like a headdress and I have wondered about that myself. I also wondered whether it might show part of two birds fighting. It's very hard to make out. (p.s. I use paint too )

 

[Miss Muffet]

I am confused. Ksodetectives said there was no campsite. Maybe Mmarty could clarify this point.

I'm aware. Hence, my questions asking detectives to clarify the specifics I addressed.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

And here's the center of the bird. This was a lot less clear; there's some kind of big stain that runs down the middle, making it very difficult to make out the picture. I only marked the lines I was sure of. The yellow marks where the design shows orange. (I didn't have an orange pencil ) The second picture shows the part of the design I enlarged and worked with. Again, if you click on them, you should be able to enlarge them. The annotation text came out a bit too small this time. I'm not sure why.

I'm not sure quite what it shows. A face, maybe, but it's not real clear. Given the position of the wings and tail, it's where the face should be.

Amazing job, Car! It is interesting to find there is more to the artwork!

Could the "face" you are seeing actually be the talons? Seems too low on the body for a head to me. In the photos of the birds in flight I have seen, the heads of the birds are above the feathers and body. The tail feathers give an indication of the size of the bird and I would expect the rest to be in relative context. I don't think we have the part of the shirt with the head.

 

[carbuff]

Amazing job, Car! It is interesting to find there is more to the artwork!

Could the "face" you are seeing actually be the talons? Seems too low on the body for a head to me. In the photos of the birds in flight I have seen, the heads of the birds are above the feathers and body. The tail feathers give an indication of the size of the bird and I would expect the rest to be in relative context. I don't think we have the part of the shirt with the head.

I'm not wedded to the idea that it's a face. It looks like one, but it could be something else.

I don't think the bird is in flight. I think it's either landing or striking, with its head down and its wings and tail spread wide in the braking position.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Just an FYI. I have been using Google. For some reason, it's wasn't excluding via "-" and including everything via apostrophes. So I tried Bing, and I'm getting completely different results. They're not good results, but I'm thinking we should try as many different search engines as possible.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I don't see a head. It's going the opposite direction for if it was looking down its back.

If anything, I think you're seeing the legs.

 

[Miss Muffet]

And here's the center of the bird. This was a lot less clear; there's some kind of big stain that runs down the middle, making it very difficult to make out the picture. I only marked the lines I was sure of. The yellow marks where the design shows orange. (I didn't have an orange pencil ) The second picture shows the part of the design I enlarged and worked with. Again, if you click on them, you should be able to enlarge them. The annotation text came out a bit too small this time. I'm not sure why.

I'm not sure quite what it shows. A face, maybe, but it's not real clear. Given the position of the wings and tail, it's where the face should be.

Thank you for showing me the location of where you saw what looked like mountains and different colors. I believe that's still part of the bird. It makes no sense for there to be mountains there. I think we're just seeing the squiggly lines an artist used to create the body of the bird. I was excited because I thought we might be seeing scenery of mountains in the background of the bird. Unfortunately, mountains wouldn't be inside the bird itself. I'm sticking with the original concept for now.

 

[carbuff]

It's not inside the bird. It's outside the outer edge of the wing, so it would be in the background.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm not wedded to the idea that it's a face. It looks like one, but it could be something else.

I don't think the bird is in flight. I think it's either landing or striking, with its head down and its wings and tail spread wide in the braking position.

Could you show me a pic of a real one in that position because I don't understand? I couldn't find one with the head down near the tail feathers. If that is the head, where are the talons? I am not trying to be difficult, but trying to picture this correctly and am not seeing it.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It's not inside the bird. It's outside the outer edge of the wing, so it would be in the background.

Can you show me the EXACT spot on the background? Or did I miss where you did?

 

[carbuff]

I don't see a head. It's going the opposite direction for if it was looking down its back.

If anything, I think you're seeing the legs.

It depends on which direction you think the bird is flying. I got the impression that it's coming toward the viewer, with its head down and wings spread for a landing or a strike. If it's flying away, rising into the sun, then I have no idea what the marks would be. I'm not convinced it's a face, but it looks nothing like feet.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Sorry. I missed it at the bottom. I only noticed the annotations you showed at the top.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It depends on which direction you think the bird is flying. I got the impression that it's coming toward the viewer, with its head down and wings spread for a landing or a strike. If it's flying away, rising into the sun, then I have no idea what the marks would be. I'm not convinced it's a face, but it looks nothing like feet.

I can't imagine the head facing upwards with the beak pointing away from the tail feathers like that without it blocking what we're seeing of the wingspan.

Their legs are pretty big. This isn't a photograph. It's an artist rendering. They can often make an area with much less detail and very blended into the other areas. Let me find a picture of a hawk's legs.

 

[carbuff]

Can you show me the EXACT spot on the background? Or did I miss where you did?

Inside the oval. Click to enlarge if you need to. I blew it up to like 500%.

I'm totally not sure what's on the middle part of the bird, but I'm sure there's something in the background, like distant mountains.

 

[carbuff]

I can't imagine the head facing upwards with the beak pointing away from the tail feathers like that without it blocking what we're seeing of the wingspan.

Their legs are pretty big. This isn't a photograph. It's an artist rendering. They can often make an area with much less detail and very blended into the other areas. Let me find a picture of a hawk's legs.

I'm not seeing it pointing backwards. I'm seeing it pointing down.

Like this. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/09/article-2230417-0F845D9D00000578-56_634x478.jpg

If it's in this position, the legs would be down below the edge of the cloth.