NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

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This guy went missing in 1978.

Thomas Arthur Michaud
Date last seen August 24, 1979 00:00


https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21237/55

He is the right age ,height and his photo leaves hair color to question as it is listed as unknown or bald?? I have not seen the rule out list.
Since he would have been 38 in 1992, he's in the right age range. The hair color looks good in the picture. It's strange it says unknown or bald in the description. Not much information on him, so I'd say he's one that should be added so none fall through the cracks. He could have left Colorado and not kept in touch with people for a decade.
 
You guys are sure finding a lot of "near misses" with the shirt design. We knew it was a long shot at best when we posted the pic. The response to this thread has been amazing, even hard to keep up with at times! Thank you to everyone for your hard work with this!

Concerning the shoes, keep in mind they were found a half mile away. They may or may not have anything to do with the case. I can tell you from personal experience that although the body was found in a rather remote area, the road is somewhat well traveled. In fact, my partner and I revisited the scene not too long ago and in the span of about 45 minutes, we saw a vehicle on the road. In other words, it's not uncommon (unfortunately) to find trash in remote areas such as this. We are not opposed to posting pics of the shoes, but we are having lab work done first which will hopefully give us a better idea of whether or not they are connected to the victim.

Right in the beginning the shoes being 1/2 mile away was no surprise - I just figured if no other shoes were nearby and there were pants, socks, underwear, and t-shirt, where are the shoes?
Tossed out of a car as the killers drove away.
But I have a question about the shoes. We don't have an answer if the feet were removed by a tool or became disarticulated/ dragged away post mortem, so while they are undergoing lab tests is it possible to determine if there are signs of decomp inside the shoes? Are the shoes intact or torn up / chewed up? If those details cannot be shared we all understand that.

The other theory posted upthread was that the UID's shoes were stolen and the killer tossed out his own shoes up the road.

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This guy Robert Kellar is younger than the estimate, but 6'1, hair looks perfect, and he regularly hitched from Iowa to CA and CO. Missing since Feb 1990. He just LOOKS like what I feel our UID looked like. Wanted to be a rock star. So a funky tshirt seems a good fit for him too.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/robert-kellar/
 
I have really looked at the t shirt pic, and unless it is really stretched, that cannot be a sun or moon. It isn't even close to round. My first thought was Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Does anyone else see what I am seeing?

I can see the problem with recognizing a moon there, but the other part of the drawing to the upper right looks like a birch limb to me, so I had the impression of the hawk/ owl/ in a forest with the moon rising behind.

But to your suggestion this is a great picture:

devils_tower_wy1.jpg

http://blackhillsattraction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/devils_tower_wy1.jpg
 
This guy Robert Kellar is younger than the estimate, but 6'1, hair looks perfect, and he regularly hitched from Iowa to CA and CO. Missing since Feb 1990. He just LOOKS like what I feel our UID looked like. Wanted to be a rock star. So a funky tshirt seems a good fit for him too.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/robert-kellar/
That's a good one! I was focusing on transient people from all over the country. He didn't come up in my searches because he was only 19. I wonder how accurate the 35 to 50 range is.
 
One of my theories is the killer is a relative. He called the car in abandoned because he wanted the body found. When it wasn't found, he called again. His motive for wanting the body found is 1) he wanted to end other relatives' suffering not knowing what happened; and/or 2) life insurance money. (I referred to the caller as a "he" for convenience.) This would mean the victim is fairly local.

One of my other theories is the deceased was involved in illegal activity that resulted in him getting killed. He may have moved out west years prior and his relatives in his home state reporting him missing long before he was murdered. The caller wouldn't have been the killer, but someone associated with his illegal activity who wanted justice for him.
I had a waking thought this morning about these two theories I posted. My waking thoughts are literally the very first thought I have before I open my eyes, and they usually on target because my mind apparently works on problems all night while I was sleeping. Sometimes they're helpful, like a great business or book idea.

What doesn't add up about my first theory above is a killer cutting off the feet and hands to hinder identification, especially if some of the missing teeth were removed for the same reason. It doesn't make sense he would go to the trouble of making the body identifiable when he wanted it found.

That leaves a few possibilities about why the caller would want an unidentifiable body found:

1) The caller was uninvolved. I hear the nearby Walker River Reservation is notorious for crime. Since I traveled through that area a couple years ago, I'm aware it's very sparsely populated. In my experience, a sparsely populated area with high crime results in people who keep to themselves, who don't trust outsiders, and who don't poke their nose in other people's business. It would make perfect sense for an uninvolved local to not want to be identified.

2) The caller was associated with the victim but wasn't the killer and wanted justice for what happened. (My second theory above.)

3) The caller is a serial killer. Are there any other unidentified bodies in the country missing hands and feet?

4) Organized crime (not American mafia) who wanted to send a message to others to not make the same mistake the deceased made. Cutting off hands and feet is what is done to thieves in certain parts of the world. He called it in because he wanted the media to send his message he made an example of the deceased as a warning to others.

5) No idea about this one. Just tossing it out there. Native American posters can clarify. I don't know if a Native American killer might have a problem with a deceased person's remains not being given proper burial. I'm thinking maybe it haunted the killer that the deceased wasn't found and bad karma would result until he was buried. But this doesn't make sense because you'd think a killer would bury the victim himself if he felt proper burials were important. Then again, it might be hard to bury someone out there if there are lots of rocks in the ground. My husband and I tried to dig a grave for our Labrador on our camp property. The two of us spent a few hours digging, each having a shovel, and we weren't able to make a hole big enough for even a shallow grave because we were constantly having to dig out huge rocks. We ended up burying the Labrador on my SIL's farm instead.

There may be other possibilities for hiding the identity of the victim but wanting the victim found. Since I still have the flu, I'm not at the top of my game right now.
 
Detectives, are ya feeling overwhelmed with all the information coming in so quickly?

May the force be with you!

No way. Keep all the information coming in. The more information and the more we discuss theories on this case the better!

Again, thank you all for the diligence and effort put forth on this case.
 
I live in a tiny town in Northern NY and we have at least 2 missing persons who do not show up on any missing persons site. I know for a fact that when one of them went missing about 8 years ago, the LE spent very little time on the case and because of his reputation, the case was closed. I am sure this happens way more than I can imagine, and for that reason I have this scenario: This man left home years ago and lived as a 'free-spirit' drifter. He hitched rides and met with foul play and was dumped in the location he was found. Maybe his ride spent the night with him in the great outdoors and killed him the next day. I think he acquired his dog along the way for companionship. The caller IMO has nothing to do with the case, just someone who reported it but didn't want to be involved. Maybe another drifter or someone doing illegal activities. His shirt could be from anywhere in the entire US or Canada. I think social media would be an excellent source for sparking a memory of someone who disappeared years ago. If this man was ever reported missing and is in a database somewhere, websleuthers WILL find him. All this is JMO.
 
Geppert, Michaud, and Kellar are added to my list which brings my count to 82 possibles so far.

I am going to start moving eastward in my quest through the doenetwork.

I may have to put my list into an alphabetical order somehow because it is starting to get tedious looking through all of the names for duplicates.
 
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So this is obviously not the exact shirt but it's one I happen to have in stock that's similar. More than likely, the UID's shirt is either a souvenir from a specific destination, or it's a generic pro-nature kind of message like this one. Band shirts and Harley shirts were/are rare compared to generic souvenir shirts.

It's also got a definite 70s/early 80s look to it, and would've been old and out of style at the time the remains were found.
 
Geppert, Michaud, and Kellar are added to my list which brings my count to 82 possibles so far.

I am going to start moving eastward in my quest through the doenetwork.

I may have to put my list into an alphabetical order somehow because it is starting to get tedious looking through all of the names for duplicates.

BBM

Excellent idea. Kudos for plodding through all that data.
 
Band shirts and Harley shirts were/are rare compared to generic souvenir shirts.
They're rare as vintage/second-hand items because people don't give them up. I guess they're more rare overall compared to generic souvenir shirts because bands and Harley are trademarked and can only be produced and/or sold by those companies without copyright permission.

It's also got a definite 70s/early 80s look to it, and would've been old and out of style at the time the remains were found.
I agree it has a 70s vibe. I'm not sure it being out of date is relevant for a male aged 35 to 50. My husband still has tee-shirts from the 70s and 80s. He was definitely wearing them when I met him in the early 90s.

I'm currently searching national park patches and native American reservation seals.
 
BBM

Excellent idea. Kudos for plodding through all that data.

I am keeping 2 lists. The first one for LEO Detectives by numerical (as they have come here up on the board), and the second for WS posters who need a quick alphabetical to look for duplications. I will post both on or around the 400th post on this thread - if you have any now that you want to add to the list(s) I am ready.
 
UID is in Namus with one rule out, Douglas Meer:

https://identifyus.org/cases/7582

these are the circumstances as stated by Namus:

Anonymous male contacted Nevada Highway Patrol on 03/12/92 @ 1700 regarding skeletal remains of a human being. Due to daylight, Law Enforcement found remains at 1130 hours on 03/12/92. Shallow grave found near the remains. Bone fragments found as far as 75 feet from remains. Animal activity noted. Hands and feet were missing. Foul play suspected.

I would think a shallow grave would not imply death by natural causes. I wonder if they had any conclusions as to whether the hands and feet were hacked off or if they felt that was animal activity?

sadly with no fingerprints and no DNA they can only match on dentals.

BBM - it appears someone did perhaps try to bury this body. If so, then it wouldn't make sense that the perp would the anonymous caller. (Also wouldn't make sense if that perp was the one responsible for the missing hands/feet.) JMO, but I think the anonymous caller was simply someone who didn't want to get involved for whatever reason.

The fact that the black athletic shoes were found 1/2 mile away and that "the shoes themselves were located approximately 160 feet apart from another" also makes me wonder (again) if they belonged to the perp--who tossed them out a car window, replacing them with the larger ones of the victim (whose shoes were most likely in the larger, sz 12 range). Remember, the detective said that the black shoes appeared to have been too small for their owner.

*Detectives--can you tell us the size of the recovered Stadia-brand shoes?
 
Also, concerning the black Stadia athletic shoes...

If the shoes are relevant, and IF they were discarded by the perp, it's less likely they were discarded as a perp was walking away from the scene. Walk .5 miles, drop one shoe...walk 160' more, drop the second...., I'm guessing not. It also doesn't seem likely he'd throw them out the window while driving a vehicle away from the scene--they'd more likely end up in the road. So, if tossed from a moving vehicle, it seems to fit with someone who is a passenger in a vehicle (perhaps a hitch-hiker--unless 2 or more people are involved in this death), and who threw them out the window. But what we don't know (and would need to know) is, how far from the road were the shoes found? If beyond throwing distance, that nixes that whole theory.

Geesh, it's convoluted postulating theories without essential facts. :thinking:
 
Contacted a Tahoe t-shirt site in the slim chance someone there might be familiar with a vintage Lake Tahoe tee that would match the victim's. (I included the LCSO Facebook page showing the tee, with links to contact if they have info.)

(This after noticing that Lake Tahoe tees from the 1980s sometimes featured that orange sun.)

 
Found this corduroy hat listed by an eBay seller which looks similar to the victim's hat (only in navy)--he calls it a "1980s trucker hat baseball cap." IF the victim's hat and/or t-shirt are 1980s, it might make it more likely that the victim had been in the CA/NV area for awhile.



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ETA :

I can see the problem with recognizing a moon there, but the other part of the drawing to the upper right looks like a birch limb to me, so I had the impression of the hawk/ owl/ in a forest with the moon rising behind.

But to your suggestion this is a great picture:

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http://blackhillsattraction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/devils_tower_wy1.jpg



I have to give a third to the idea of there being a Birtch Tree in that shirt pattern. That was one of my first thoughts also.

Thought it was just me .... but....

As I've kept looking at it I'm thinking if not birtch it is the lighter color under the wings like depicted in the Hawk Photo????




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