Summary tweets - Wednesday, 4/26/23 Trial Day 2:
Plaintiff Witness:
E. Jean Carroll /
Part 3
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10h
OK, they're back. Before jury allowed in, Tacopina says he will ask about the "group of men she claims have mistreated her throughout her life."
Carroll's counsel: We'll take it question by question.
Jury entering!
Carroll's counsel: Do you remember the disk I showed you?
Carroll: Yes.
Counsel: We offer DX 112.
It's a video of Roger Ailes interviewing Donald Trump, as grand marshal of a military parade.
Counsel: Who is Roger Ailes?
Carroll: He started Fox News.
Counsel: Why do you think you were then unable to form a romantic relationship?
Carroll: In short, because I was raped by Donald Trump.
Counsel: Why did it have that effect?
Carroll: I flirted with him, and he raped me. So going forward, I didn't look at men
Carroll's counsel: I'm sorry to ask this, but have you had sex since?
Carroll: No. I have a public persona, then a private self that can't admit out loud [voice breaks] that there's been any suffering.
Counsel: May I approach?
Tissues.
Carroll: Thank you
Carroll: I project myself as invincible, I tell my correspondents, You can do it. The private E. Jean is not like that.
Counsel: Prior to the assault, had there been extended times you didn't date?
Carroll: No, I loved living in New York, going out...
Counsel: How old were you?
Carroll: 52.
Counsel: If there any other reason you haven't had sex since?
Carroll: No. 52 is a great age.
Counsel: Have you given interviews? Did you say there may have been another reason --
Tacopina: Specifics, please
Counsel: Do you recall saying that age may have played a role in you not finding a romantic connection?
Carroll: May I see it?
Counsel: Let me ask you a different way. Do you recall saying age may have played a factor?
Carroll: Yes.
Counsel: Did you use dating apps?
Carroll: I mostly viewed then as competition, since I owned two dating apps. But I tried, too, I admit.
Counsel: Did you find anyone?
Carroll: No. My friends at Esquire set me up with the perfect man. But I made it not work
Carroll: I have lost out on one of the glorious experiences of any human being - being in love with another human being, cuddling and eating popcorn, cooking dinner, walking the dog. I feel I should be able to overcome it
Counsel: With your 2d husband John Johson, was their violence?
Carroll: Yes. He strangled me three times. But it was not sexual. I never called the police. I never sued.
Counsel: How do you get along with him now?
Carroll: We get along. We continued to have sex after our divorce.
Counsel: Anyone after that?
Carroll: William Goldman, it was lovely.
Counsel: Ever sexual abuse by a camp counselor?
Carroll: Yes. I was 12.
Carroll: The waterfront director, Cam, he would take me to the dining room. He would rub my leg in front of 100 campers. I was ashamed.
Counsel: Why did you feel ashamed?
Tacopina: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
Carroll: It was public
Counsel: Are there specific things that trigger these feelings?
Carroll: I haven't figured it out. I had to pull over to the side of the road one night after seeing my colleagues from the 1990s. I don't like to talk about it.
Counsel: How did Donald Trump's presidential aspiration effect your triggers?
Carroll: He was everywhere. I had to get strong. They became less.
Counsel: Have you seen a therapist since this case began?
Carroll: Yes. Doctor Leslie Lebowitz.
Counsel: What did you think when Donald Trump ran for president?
Carroll: I thought it was terrible. I think he is evil.
Counsel: Why?
Carroll: He raped me.
Counsel: What about his politics?
Carroll: I don't even know what they are.
Counsel: Why didn't you speak up when he ran?
Carroll: My mother was dying in Indiana. And I notice that as more women came out and accused him, his polling numbers went up.
Counsel: Are you involved in politics?
Carroll: I am a registered Democrat.
Counsel: Have you ever donated to a candidate?
Carroll: $1000 to President Obama.
Counsel: Who have you voted for?
Carroll: Obama. Clinton. Biden.
Counsel: What is your view of Donald Trump?
Carroll: He's vile.
Counsel: Let me show you PX 120. What is it?
Carroll: The most hideous men in NYC walking tour. In 2019.
[Tacopina says something]
Judge Kaplan: Were you addressing me?
Tacopina: We're trying to resolve something without getting Your Honor involved.
[Photo without text is now put up]
Tacopina: No objection, your Honor
Counsel: What was that tour?
Carroll: They do Most Famous Gangsters walking tour, so I thought, Why not hideous men? In six blocks of 5th Avenue, we visited where well known men mistreated women
Counsel: Was this man part of your tour?
Carroll: No, he was in front of Trump Tower charging $5 a photo. I gave him $5. He's working hard.
Counsel: How many tours did you do?
Carroll: Six.
Counsel: How much money did you make?
Carroll (laughs) I didn't charge.
Counsel: Are you suing to settle a political score?
Carroll: A personal score. He called me a liar.
Judge Kaplan: Let's take a break here. 15 minutes.
[Inner City Press heading out to other cases (in Chastain NFT, charts of income. Mag court?) Thread resumes 3:18
We're back.
Before jury comes back in Judge Kaplan rules: Litigation funding, it is not coming in. Let me say, it went to 1 or 2 answers in the depositions. I conclude there is nothing in there as to credibility. If there were, it would be prejudicial. It's closed
Carroll's lawyer: At 1:58 pm Trump Jr. tweeted that a billionaire is funding this lawsuit. In light of Mr. Trump's son's tweet, after the Truth Social, we are wondering about what remedy. It's high appropriate, I mean, inappropriate.
Judge: Mr. Tacopina -
Judge Kaplan: Remedies may go beyond those of this court. I suggest you speak to your client.
Tacopina: As to Eric Trump, I will address with any court. The tweet was before your ruling of a few minutes ago. Reid Hoffman... Eric Trump didn't do anything wrong.
Judge Kaplan: There are relevant US statutes here.... Bring the jury in.
Jury entering!
Counsel: What did you say to Lisa Birnbach when Trump won?
Carroll: I said, Can you believe it? She said-
Counsel: Did you know what she was thinking?
Carroll: I thought I did
Carroll: People said, I should write a book. I'd thought many times of writing a book about what woman think about men. The Harvey Weinstein story broke. It was 2017.
Counsel: How do you feel about men?
Carroll: I like 'em.
Carroll: I decided to include Donald Trump in my book.
Counsel: Were you paid an advance for your book?
Carroll: Yes. $70,000.
Counsel: Any money since then?
Carroll: No.
Counsel: How did you market it?
Carroll: Donald Trump was mentioned...
Carroll: New York Magazine ran an excerpt. It hit the Internet 3 days before the hard copy magazine. June 21, 2019.
Counsel: Why not publish it in Elle?
Carroll: They would not have published it. They would not publish their advice columnist admitting a mistake
Counsel: Were you paid by New York Magazine?
Carroll: No, they paid St. Martins, like $7500.
Counsel: Did you send it to Lisa Birnbach and Carol Martin?
Carroll: Yes, as an email attachment. Neither had a problem with it. They are both writers.
Counsel: Were you three interviewed that June?
Carroll: Yes.
Counsel: Did it change your recollection of the events?
Carroll: No, but I hadn't known Lisa was feeding her children when she got my call.
Counsel: After it was published, what was the response?
Carroll: I thought Donald Trump would denied, because he denies everything.
Tacopina: Objection.
Judge: Sustained.
Counsel: Let me show you his tweet, I never met her. You see it?
Carroll: Yes
Counsel: How about this interview in The Hill, June 24, 2019, where he says "She's not my type." What do you understand that to mean?
Carroll: That I'm too ugly to attack, to rape. I thought he was going to say it was consensual. Then I started getting threats
Carroll: The letters I got as E. Jean, they turned negative. And the threats?
Counsel: What was your reaction?
Carroll: I deleted them.
Counsel: Did you also get support?
Carroll: Yes. From all over. But the vileness about my ugliness, it swamped it out.
Carroll (voice breaking) Getting my day in court, it is everything to me. So I am happy (sobs).
Counsel: Shall we take a moment?
Carroll: I'll get myself together. This is my day in court. I'm not going to cry and waste everyone's time... I lost 8 million readers.
Carroll: I've still got 19,000 readers on Substack. But Elle Magazine fired me since I accused Donald Trump.
Counsel: Were you able to obtain a new job?
Carroll: No. I have a Substack. For Elle once a month I got $5000. Now I churn out 3 a week for the same income
Counsel: Have you heard of Jessica Leeds?
Carroll: Yes. I interviewed her about Donald Trump assaulting her on a place. The press tends to use words like grope. I --
Tacopina: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: To what? We'll break here, the jurors can go home. But first...
Judge Kaplan: Very important you don't read anything about this case or go online.
[Jury leaves]
Tacopina: She said, Other women had come forward --
Carroll's lawyer: She's covered a lot today. We aren't trying to import other allegations.
Judge Kaplan: Remind me
Judge Kaplan: OK, see you tomorrow.
[Judge leaves]
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