NY NY - Alice Parsons: Heiress, Long Island, 1937

[Pink Panther]

She applied for naturalization on April 6, 1936. On her petition, she asks that her name be changed to Anna Parsons. She states that she was born on February 4, 1901 in Yalta, Russia. She claims that she was married to Alexander on February 2, 1920 in Yalta, Cremea, Russia. She writes that her husband divorced her in the Court of Common Pleas (Cayuhoge County Ohio) on the grounds of "gross neglect of duty".

She states that she has lived in the US continuously since June 5, 1930. (The date that she arrived on vessel Mauretania). She states that she has a son Roy (born June 12, 1926.)

The two witnesses on her application are Matislav Golovin (bookkeeper) and Kyra Malkovsky (social worker).

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974:

Name: Anna Kupryanova
Age: 30
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1901
Spouse's Name: Alexander
Children: Roy
Naturalization Date: 18 Jan 1932
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Eastern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization

 

[Pink Panther]

After her arrival 11 March 1924, she appears to have been sent back to France via Liverpool England (her arrival in England being April 21, 1924):

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Anna Kupryonova
Birth Date: abt 1902
Age: 22
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 21 Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cameronia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Cameronia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 144242

On this document she lists her permanent residence as being France but maybe she just stayed in England???

 

[Pink Panther]

I found her entry document into the US by looking for Roy's arrival! Here it is:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Roy Kupryanova
Arrival Date: 5 Jun 1930
Birth Date: abt 1926
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: landon
Age: 4
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Russian
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Mauretania
Search Ship Database: Search the Mauretania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

When you go into the document to see details, the following information is interesting:

- she states that she can read Russian and English (doesn't mention the German this time)
- her and Roy's immigration visa's are issued 1 May, 1930 from Southampton, England
- name of nearest relative/friend from whence she came is listed as "Friend. Mrs. Jevey.12 Scarsdale Villa, London W.S. (same info. for Roy)
- final destination is Bridgeport, Conn. (Alex wasn't lying about that)
- relative/friend she is joining - "Husband. Mr. A Kupryanova. 494 John St, Bridgeport, Conn"
- she lists herself as coming to the states permanently

In handwriting above her name is written "discharged to husband". "Discharged to father" is listed above Roy's name. So, it looks like Alexander helped them out.

 

[zwiebel]

All hail Pink Panther and fred&edna! Super sleuthers and then some!

WS should invent a double thanks button just for you.

Going to try and absorb some of all that info now.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

After her arrival 11 March 1924, she appears to have been sent back to France via Liverpool England (her arrival in England being April 21, 1924):

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Anna Kupryonova
Birth Date: abt 1902
Age: 22
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 21 Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cameronia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Cameronia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 144242

On this document she lists her permanent residence as being France but maybe she just stayed in England???

Oh please, let it be France. I have a fluent speaker sitting right next to me. I could search and actually understand what I'm finding for the first time in this case!

Talking of which:

This is the place where we can maybe find out more about Anna's dad, Stanislav Shishkoff, or her first husband, Alexander Kuprianoff/Kurianov.

One of us just has to learn to read Cyrillic first.

http://www.rusarchives.ru/federal/rgva/

 

[fred&edna]

All hail Pink Panther and fred&edna! Super sleuthers and then some!

WS should invent a double thanks button just for you.

Going to try and absorb some of all that info now.

ALL Pink Panther! I only found a town, LOL!

PPanther has done some amazing research on this case and also the Jane Britton case.
MA MA - Jane Britton, Harvard student, murdered in 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community.

And hey Mrs. Z you have braved all the foreign language texts... mighty impressive!

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

She applied for naturalization on April 6, 1936. On her petition, she asks that her name be changed to Anna Parsons. She states that she was born on February 4, 1901 in Yalta, Russia. She claims that she was married to Alexander on February 2, 1920 in Yalta, Cremea, Russia. She writes that her husband divorced her in the Court of Common Pleas (Cayuhoge County Ohio) on the grounds of "gross neglect of duty".

She states that she has lived in the US continuously since June 5, 1930. (The date that she arrived on vessel Mauretania). She states that she has a son Roy (born June 12, 1926.)

The two witnesses on her application are Matislav Golovin (bookkeeper) and Kyra Malkovsky (social worker).

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974:

Name: Anna Kupryanova
Age: 30
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1901
Spouse's Name: Alexander
Children: Roy
Naturalization Date: 18 Jan 1932
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Eastern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization

Pink Panther, do you know if that naturalization date applies to Anna or Roy? If she applied in 1936, would it get backdated?

Just asking because I was thinking if Anna became a citizen in 1936, less than a year before Alice disappeared, it might have a bearing on the case? A naturalized citizen couldn't be deported back to Russia if they did something wrong, maybe? She'd have been dead in the water if she was sent back to Russia for any reason in the thirties, and she'd have known it.

 

[zwiebel]

ALL Pink Panther! I only found a town, LOL!

PPanther has done some amazing research on this case and also the Jane Britton case.
MA MA - Jane Britton, Harvard student, murdered in 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community.

And hey Mrs. Z you have braved all the foreign language texts... mighty impressive!

I have been searching for those towns myself, and know how many variations of the spelling you must have gone through to get that one. It's an achievement, in my book!

This is so exciting though, we're going all over the world with this case and there is a big back story here, I'm sure.

 

[Pink Panther]

BBM



Pink Panther, do you know if that naturalization date applies to Anna or Roy? If she applied in 1936, would it get backdated?

Just asking because I was thinking if Anna became a citizen in 1936, less than a year before Alice disappeared, it might have a bearing on the case? A naturalized citizen couldn't be deported back to Russia if they did something wrong, maybe? She'd have been dead in the water if she was sent back to Russia for any reason in the thirties, and she'd have known it.

I would think that she applied for both of them or that he (Roy) would automatically be accepted as part of her application. The second witness to her application was a marvelous social worker who was/is still highly esteemed for her work in assisting Russian immigrants so Anna was quite clearly in good hands!

I believe that she officially requested naturalization on April 6th, 1936 and it was granted on July 7th of that same year.

 

[Pink Panther]

The places that Anna and Alexander were from:

Simferopol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yalta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Pink Panther]

BBM



Pink Panther, do you know if that naturalization date applies to Anna or Roy? If she applied in 1936, would it get backdated?

Just asking because I was thinking if Anna became a citizen in 1936, less than a year before Alice disappeared, it might have a bearing on the case? A naturalized citizen couldn't be deported back to Russia if they did something wrong, maybe? She'd have been dead in the water if she was sent back to Russia for any reason in the thirties, and she'd have known it.

Don't forget that even the first time she came to the US, she was not deported back to Russia. She was deported back to her last stated place of residence (France) but somehow ended up staying in England en-route. But yes...to answer your question, I do think that the date of her naturalization is relevant and somehow, I think her name-change facilitated it all. (JMO)

 

[zwiebel]

Good heavens! So that lady social worker doesn't believe in early retirement then? Good on her!

I have finallly summoned up the courage to post a question on that Russian Royalty thread. It is only the second forum I have ever joined in my life, so I don't know how it will go. I haven't linked here yet, as I'm unsure of their rules, but here is hoping they will come up with some answers about Anna. Here's the link, I'm zwie, at the bottom;
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17285.0

 

[Pink Panther]

zwiebel - Good luck and here's hoping we get some more information! If I venture into the Russian forums, I am sure I will quickly get lost. I have tried to find more information about Anna's father and his last name does come up (not infrequently) in Russian politics, so there may be something to her claims???

 

[zwiebel]

I have just realised that article I linked in the Alex Palace forum says Alice was left $150,000 by William Sammies. Who is he? That's a completely new one to me????
ETA; here's link to article: http://tinyurl.com/ce6kxon

 

[zwiebel]

zwiebel - Good luck and here's hoping we get some more information! If I venture into the Russian forums, I am sure I will quickly get lost. I have tried to find more information about Anna's father and his last name does come up (not infrequently) in Russian politics, so there may be something to her claims???

I'm picking that up too - but afraid he is going to be yet another one of Stalin's millions of victims and the trail will cut off abruptly.

 

[Pink Panther]

On her passport application in 1920, Alice is listed as being 5' - 1" tall. She was petite. Anna was 5 ' 9" tall according to her 1930 arrival documents. I have found other pictures of Alice but I don't know how to post them. She was beautiful.

 

[Pink Panther]

According to the 1940's census, Roy was already an American Citizen:

1940 United States Federal Census

Name: Roy Parsons
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1927
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Home in 1940: Monterey, Monterey, California
View Map
Street: Mesa Road
Inferred Residence in 1935: Long Island, Suffolk, New York
Residence in 1935: Long Island, Suffolk, New York
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Citizenship: American Citizen Born Abroad
Sheet Number: 8B
Attended School or College: Yes
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 7th grade
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members:
Name Age
William Parsons 51
Anne Parsons 39
Roy Parsons 13

 

[zwiebel]

Reply to Pink Panther's post above about heights; forgot to quote.

Well, that answers my earlier question about the possibility of a woman being able to chloroform another woman. That's a big difference in height.

 

[Pink Panther]

Marilynilpa - Can you fill us in with a little more info from Alice's side? Why was she unable to have children? Where did she and William meet? Where did they go on their honeymoon? What happened to her mother and why was her father in Canada?

Just a bit curious and looking for a few more leads for research...

 

[zwiebel]

zwiebel - Good luck and here's hoping we get some more information! If I venture into the Russian forums, I am sure I will quickly get lost. I have tried to find more information about Anna's father and his last name does come up (not infrequently) in Russian politics, so there may be something to her claims???

On her passport application in 1920, Alice is listed as being 5' - 1" tall. She was petite. Anna was 5 ' 9" tall according to her 1930 arrival documents. I have found other pictures of Alice but I don't know how to post them. She was beautiful.

I would love to see them. This is not my area of expertise either, unfortunately, and my technical help has just gone to bed. Maybe another poster can provide step by steps on how to post a pic, please?