NY - Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested, sex trafficking, 6 July 2019 *FOUND DECEASED IN JAIL* #3

[TxMother67]

JE doesn't think that sex with underage women should be prohibited. And, if he gave them money and they accepted, then they deserved condemnation because they were "prostitutes".
He's an abuser and a manipulator of an extremely high level we don't often get to see. And a huge narcissist - sociopath. It's more evident after his first conviction that he had no remorse and was not going to change his ways at all.
How those around him could claim to be ignorant of this is not credible

*SBM*

Could not have said it better!!!!!!

 

[CoolJ]

Ugh.

"Keating even interviewed Maxwell for the Huffington Post about her work for a now-defunct environmental nonprofit trying to save the oceans."

Were they all entangled in scams? It's so disheartening to think that. I want to hear from ONE person who figured out what this crowd was about and said, "No way. I don't want anything to do with this." Has there been anyone like that?

https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/ident...ce-andrew-at-jeffrey-epsteins-house-revealed/

jmo

Yes, it appears Trump may have avoided this crowd, once he realized what they were all about.... believe it or not

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Yes, it appears Trump may have avoided this crowd, once he realized what they were all about.... believe it or not

Or not.

Docket for Katie Johnson v. Donald J. Trump, 5:16-cv-00797 - CourtListener.com

 

[Rigatoni999]

On one occasion, she said, she was forced to serve hors d’oeuvres...in order to keep her in line.

NO!!!

https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/ghisl...n-victim-proper-way-to-perform-oral-sex-suit/

 

[BeachSky]

There are also reports from the girls he abused that his genitalia were abnormal, oddly formed and not of normal appearance......

Yes and that video of deposition JE walked out on...is forever out there.
Kudos to attorney Spencer Kuvin.

MOO

 

[human]

Yes and that video of deposition JE walked out on...is forever out there.
Kudos to attorney Spencer Kuvin.

MOO

It shows what an arrogant pervert he was

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Prince Andrew recently claimed via a statement from the palace that he wasn’t involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s claims. But according to a royal correspondent, the Duke of York should agree to give depositions to clear his name.

While speaking on "News Night," Michael Cole told Kirsty Wark that lawyers in America have been asking the dad of two to give depositions. And it would be much better if he would address the issue as soon as possible.

“Outraged denial will not work, answers are needed, the truth is required, this is a very serious matter. It’s going to become more serious; it’s going to become worse for the Prince and worse for Buckingham Palace,” he said.

And by the looks of it, things may have just gotten worse for Prince Andrew. A pilot has now revealed that the royal was with Epstein and a 17-year-old girl named Virginia Roberts when they flew to the US Virgin Islands for a vacation.

Prince Andrew is not avoiding interviews regarding Epstein’s case. “If law-enforcement agencies or police want to talk to the Duke or any royal they just need to ask,” the source said.
How Prince Andrew May Have ‘Lied’ About His Involvement In Jeffrey Epstein Case

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Jeffrey Epstein took business calls in the middle of sexual massages from a trafficked woman, a new lawsuit alleges.
An alleged victim claimed that Epstein would halt a massage when "on the verge" of climax, then make high-powered business calls.
Epstein took business calls while receiving sexual massages from trafficked women, lawsuit claims

 

[x_files]

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When Epstein Was Cosmo’s Bachelor of the Month

So was Cosmo aware of what a creep he was? If so then they're also complicit.

 

[x_files]

Maxwell reminds me of women who enjoy being part of the crime. Not unlike Wanda Barzee kept Elizabeth Smart prisoner for David Mitchell.

They must have a dependent Personality disorder, wanting to please their "master", or they are psychopaths who get off on the crime as well. Think of all of the women who let men abuse their children.

Don't you think it comes from a deep hatred and/or jealousy of other women? Either raised in an abusive household as a child so it seems normal or they are just as perverted and sick as their bf/husbands.

 

[x_files]

Ephebophilia is 15 and older

Ebephilia is 11-14

This would certainly count as the latter, if true:

Jean-Luc Brunel gave Jeffrey Epstein three poor 12-year-old triplets from France as birthday present | Daily Mail Online

It sounds to me their parents trafficked their own children! They should be held accountable also. Take everyone down.

 

[x_files]

I think, because after all , he is an old guy and would not get the same arousal from a 35-year old as he would from a 15-year old.

Nature is quite cruel to men in this way. Every year, the level of testosterone falls by 2%, so there is 40% less testosterone in a 40-year old than in 20-year old. After 50, it is noticeably worse.

Is finding a 15-year old girl and having sex with her, trying to feel like a 15-year-old himself, a crime? Epstein’s men would say, not, because the women are not children, but essentially, very young adults, and somewhere in the Middle East be long married off and already with a bunch of kids.

In our society, sex with a consenting underage girl is a crime. Period. But even if it is weren’t...

I assume, it will still be sexual exploitation because Epstein’s girls got nothing in return.

Even if it is a very mature 15-year old who absolutely knows what she is doing, the initial context of the relationship with Epstein is not favoring her. She does not have the opportunity to bring her own lawyer and negotiate a contract, stipulating what services she is providing, and what is the expected reimbursement. It is Mr. Epstein with Mr. Dershowitz (or any other high-power lawyer) who offer the contract with non-disclosure clauses, and other clauses protecting Mr. Epstein. The girl is expected to sign herself into sexual slavery (because catering to the sexual needs of an aging, experienced male is slavery, IMO). And in return, she does not get the contract protecting her rights. Now these girls suing Epstein’s estate have to prove to the world that they are not liars, and that their lives now are much worse because of their association with Mr. Epstein and his cronies.

I understand that their lives are much worse, it goes without saying, but to the world, they have to prove it.

...They say that the prototype for Nabokov’s “Lolita” was Lita Grey, Charlie Chaplin’s second wife. She was governed by her avaricious mother, and she was impregnated by Chaplin when she was 15, around 1921, and had two boys with him. Their divorce was the scandal of their times, and she negotiated the divorce settlement of 825 000, the highest in that time. Her promised career did not take off. But at least she had the money, and Chaplin took care and interest in his sons.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-12-30-mn-19327-story.html?_amp=true

What did the “Epstein girls” get from the association, except for $300 a massage (he was paltry, Epstein was), and being pimped out to some of his rich cronies that just used them?

What did they lose from being with Epstein? Well, catering to the sexual whims of an old guy is not fun. But they probably missed school in the process. No good colleges, no future chances in life. Instead, their education was “to learn everything about satisfying a man”.

They were cast away from Epstein’s life without any remorse.

So even if these girls willingly entered the relationship, there was no contract guarding their interests, with such provisos as getting pregnant, or getting an STD from him. And fair compensation for their time.

This is in addition to the fact that they were legally minors, and their brains were screwed up my Mr, Epstein and Ms. Maxwell.

and if their parents agreed to allow them into this sexual slavery contract, shouldn't they also be investigated?

 

[x_files]

I hate being position of defending Hef, but he did like fully-grown women. Quite fully grown. The more fully-grown, the better. And the women he was involved with were aware of the situation. Nobody went to his mansion not knowing what happened there - trickery, procurement, etc were not part of it. I'm not a fan of Playboy, but at least they were all adults.

And I've never heard about gaggles of school girls at Hef's mansion.

This has probably been covered - I'm multi-tasking and might have missed posts.

jmo

I agree he seemed to enjoy the company of adult women who willingly enjoyed being there vs enslaved against their will.

 

[Charlot123]

and if their parents agreed to allow them into this sexual slavery contract, shouldn't they also be investigated?

Absolutely! At least the father of Guiffre pretends he did not understand what was going on. But knew about his daughter’s trips to Europe on Epstein’s plane.

And Jean-Luc Bunuel with his model agency. They recruit young girls all over the world, who knows where else they are procuring them, and to whom?

 

[JudgeJoe]

Jeffrey Epstein compared having sex with teenage girls to homosexuality in one of the final interviews before his death earlier this month

In a story this week in The New York Times, journalist James Stewart revealed he interviewed Epstein on August 16, 2018, almost one year exactly before he was found dead in his jail cell after being charged with sex trafficking of minors in New York and Florida.

Stewart recounts that Epstein told him "criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable. He pointed out that homosexuality had long been considered a crime and was still punishable by death in some parts of the world."

Epstein had made light of accusations against him before: He told the New York Post in 2011, "I'm not a sexual predator; I'm an 'offender.' It's the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel."
Jeffrey Epstein reportedly compared having sex with underage girls to being gay

That NYT story was most enlightening. Good to repost!
What I appreciate most about Epstein’s perspective of sex/rape/pedophilia is his logic & candor. Catastrophic as it is, I also think his view is more common than those who share it will ever admit. That’s why most states have statutes of limitations on sex crimes, low prosecution rates, pathetically minimal sentencing & shockingly early release. MANY IN POWER SHARE HIS THINKING. At least Epstein was bagel thief enough to admit it.

Now if enough people stay offended by this proud, self-professed “offendor”, maybe some laws will change so that it actually is a more serious crime to sexually exploit women & children than it is to catch an endangered fish in Alaska. Until then, no amount of wealthy suicides or victim lawsuits will inspire change. MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

and if their parents agreed to allow them into this sexual slavery contract, shouldn't they also be investigated?

That is a tough one and I think will take some delicate thinking.

I have a friend whose mother was sold/trafficked by her parents (my friend's grandparents) from Mexico. The family was desperately poor - literally could not feed the family. The girl (my friend's mom) was used by the family for money and by selling her, she was one less mouth to feed.

Sounds HORRENDOUS, and my friend, the daughter of the trafficked girl, was damaged by it, as you can imagine. The sold girl grew up eventually to marry and have children, but was damaged and her parenting style was to be extremely overprotective and to have unhealthy ideas about sex. With this mother, my friend grew up ashamed of herself when she matured - her mother told her completely weird things when she first start menstruating, for example. My friend was educated and learned to escape the situation and warped thinking, but it still affected her (and I noticed lingering affects in her parenting of her own children, in her struggles to accept their maturity). I hope the next generation of their family will be completely free. They are regular people who have suffered, not monsters.

Would it help if the parents who sold their child were prosecuted? Wouldn't the best solution be to change the social/economic conditions so that families did not face such horrible decisions?

I'm sure there are some parents who traffic their children in different situations, but I think a blanket statement about them is misguided. Some parents face the choice of either all of their children starving or saving some by selling others. (Sophie's Choice comes to mind.)

I do however, feel completely confident stating that anyone buying and/or benefiting from the purchase of trafficked people are completely 100% wrong and should be prosecuted.

jmo

 

[x_files]

That is a tough one and I think will take some delicate thinking.

I have a friend whose mother was sold/trafficked by her parents (my friend's grandparents) from Mexico. The family was desperately poor - literally could not feed the family. The girl (my friend's mom) was used by the family for money and by selling her, she was one less mouth to feed.

Sounds HORRENDOUS, and my friend, the daughter of the trafficked girl, was damaged by it, as you can imagine. The sold girl grew up eventually to marry and have children, but was damaged and her parenting style was to be extremely overprotective and to have unhealthy ideas about sex. With this mother, my friend grew up ashamed of herself when she matured - her mother told her completely weird things when she first start menstruating, for example. My friend was educated and learned to escape the situation and warped thinking, but it still affected her (and I noticed lingering affects in her parenting of her own children, in her struggles to accept their maturity). I hope the next generation of their family will be completely free. They are regular people who have suffered, not monsters.

Would it help if the parents who sold their child were prosecuted? Wouldn't the best solution be to change the social/economic conditions so that families did not face such horrible decisions?

I'm sure there are some parents who traffic their children in different situations, but I think a blanket statement about them is misguided. Some parents face the choice of either all of their children starving or saving some by selling others. (Sophie's Choice comes to mind.)

I do however, feel completely confident stating that anyone buying and/or benefiting from the purchase of trafficked people are completely 100% wrong and should be prosecuted.

jmo

agreed. Horrible decision to be made. Access to birth control/sex education would help tremendously.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

 

[sds71]

New filing in United States v. Epstein: Order
Order

 

[sloane7777]

this is all so sickening !

 

[imstilla.grandma]

This is in response to Study of Evil: Ghislane Maxwell Maxwell Has the Aura of a Raptor Who Mutated Into a Sexual Cannibal by Shivani.

A number of points for Shivani:
Shivani writes, “Please don’t forget the nude jogging oddball of Martha’s Vineyard, eighty year-old Alan Dershowitz.”

Shivani, why don’t you mention the fact that the oddball Dershowitz is a “respected” professor at Harvard Law School?

What does it say that Harvard University would have a like Alan Dershowitz on the faculty? Dershowitz claimed that he consulted with college dropout Jeffrey Epstein in writing 20 books. What would a college drop out like Epstein have to tell Harvard Law Professor Dershowitz about the law?

How to beat a child molestation rap?

Shivani, do you happen to be a student or graduate of Harvard? When I went to college I found that every professor who was from Harvard, with one exception, was an arrogant jerk.

Shivani writes: “The worst Epstein and Maxwell concerns would be aimed at whatever has not come to light yet,”

What has not fully come to light yet is that Epstein and Maxwell were engaged in blackmail and espionage. Maxwell’s father was a Mossad agent who looted his company’s pension fund before he conveniently died.

America faces the horrible possibility that top government and corporate officials were being blackmailed by a foreign country for pedophilia.
More at link:
Evil Woman: Allison Mack Would Have Been as Cruel and Heartless as Ghislaine Maxwell Had She Not Been Arrested