NY NY - Bronx, Westchester Creek, Zerega & Randall Aves, UnkRace/Sex 18-99, UP7597, torso only, Apr'94

[madamx]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP7597 Unsure, Uncertain
Date Body Found April 17, 1994
Location Found Bronx, New York

Case Information


Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case NumberB94-01499

Demographics
SexUnsure
Race / EthnicityUncertain

Estimated Age Group Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)18-99
Estimated Year of Death 1993-1994
Estimated PMI Months
HeightCannot Estimate
WeightCannot Estimate



Circumstances
TypeUnidentified Deceased
Date Body FoundApril 17, 1994
NamUs Case CreatedAugust 18, 2010
ME/C QA ReviewedAugust 19, 2010

Location Found Map
LocationBronx, New York
CountyBronx County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)40.819493, -73.841112
Found On Tribal Land--


Circumstances of Recovery Unknown human torso discovered floating in the Westchester Creek near Zerega Ave and Randall Ave in the Bronx.
Details of Recovery


Inventory of RemainsHead not recovered One or more limbs not recovered One or both hands not recovered

Condition of RemainsNot recognizable - Partial remains with soft tissues

Physical Description
Hair ColorUnknown
Head Hair Description head not present

Left Eye ColorUnknown
Right Eye ColorUnknown
Eye Description head not present
Distinctive Physical Features

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[victoriarobinson642]

They couldn't narrow it down a bit? No wonder this person is not identified.

 

[madamx]

They couldn't narrow it down a bit? No wonder this person is not identified.

oh I know!!!!!

 

[madamx]

Bump

 

[madamx]

Bumping for the Unknown Torso. I wish this had more information.

 

[HopeRains]

This is Westchester Creek in the Bronx.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Some Possibilities.

Lina Ham
Lina Ham – The Charley Project

Vernon Kent Jones
Vernon Kent Jones – The Charley Project

Elizabeth Bump
Elizabeth Bump – The Charley Project

 

[mtlupy]

It's ridiculously easy to determine the presence of X and Y chromosomes through PCR. Why hasn't this been done?

 

[JSolt1210]

Some Possibilities.

Lina Ham
Lina Ham – The Charley Project

Vernon Kent Jones
Vernon Kent Jones – The Charley Project

Elizabeth Bump
Elizabeth Bump – The Charley Project

Of those three, I think Lina Ham is the best candidate.

Vernon Jones was last seen in Lower Manhattan, pretty far and out of the way from the location of the remains. I suppose it's possible, though, that his body could've been disposed of in the East River and, because "the East River’s direction of flow changes with the time of day" it could've floated northward. Vernon disappeared about 16 months before this body was found, longer than the estimated PMI, but the estimate could be wrong.

Even farther is Staten Island, from where Elizabeth Bump disappeared. I couldn't find a last known location, but what are the chances that a body disposed of there would float all the way up into the Bronx instead of being carried out to the Atlantic? I don't know the water currents here, but I don't feel that's likely.

Lina Ham, though, lived in the Bronx. The only strike is that she was seen more than two years before the body was found, but again, the PMI could be wrong.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Of those three, I think Lina Ham is the best candidate.

Vernon Jones was last seen in Lower Manhattan, pretty far and out of the way from the location of the remains. I suppose it's possible, though, that his body could've been disposed of in the East River and, because "the East River’s direction of flow changes with the time of day" it could've floated northward. Vernon disappeared about 16 months before this body was found, longer than the estimated PMI, but the estimate could be wrong.

Even farther is Staten Island, from where Elizabeth Bump disappeared. I couldn't find a last known location, but what are the chances that a body disposed of there would float all the way up into the Bronx instead of being carried out to the Atlantic? I don't know the water currents here, but I don't feel that's likely.

Lina Ham, though, lived in the Bronx. The only strike is that she was seen more than two years before the body was found, but again, the PMI could be wrong.

So far, it looks like Lina Ham might be the best possibility.

If you want or someone wants to send it as a possibility, they can do it.

 

[JSolt1210]

So far, it looks like Lina Ham might be the best possibility.

If you want or someone wants to send it as a possibility, they can do it.

I tried to this morning, but the NamUs link for this person seems to be down. I even tried googling "UP7597," and all that came up was this thread. Maybe this person has been identified?

 

[madamx]

I tried to this morning, but the NamUs link for this person seems to be down. I even tried googling "UP7597," and all that came up was this thread. Maybe this person has been identified?

Oh wow that is great if they were identified. I wish we we had more info.

 

[madamx]

Bumping for the mystery torso.. it’s been 29 years!!

 

[cheemsg]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Link.

@PatLaurel I've looked in the newspaper archive before for this but couldn't find anything, could you have any luck?

 

[PatLaurel]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Link.

@PatLaurel I've looked in the newspaper archive before for this but couldn't find anything, could you have any luck?

Unfortunately, no luck either.

 

[cheemsg]

Unfortunately, no luck either.

Hmm... perhaps NamUs has the wrong date?

 

[PatLaurel]

Hmm... perhaps NamUs has the wrong date?

Maybe...
There are a lot of articles on dismembered bodies. It's weird that this one never made it to the news.

Speaking of dismembered bodies, most of them were Rifkin's victims. I wonder if this Doe is one of his victims who were never found?

Julie Blackbird- Remains never found
"Number 6"- Never identified, remains never recovered

Joel Rifkin - Wikipedia

 

[cheemsg]

Maybe...
There are a lot of articles on dismembered bodies. It's weird that this one never made it to the news.

Speaking of dismembered bodies, most of them were Rifkin's victims. I wonder if this Doe is one of his victims who were never found?

Julie Blackbird- Remains never found
"Number 6"- Never identified, remains never recovered

Joel Rifkin - Wikipedia

I'm not sure, might be a stretch considering they were found a while after he was arrested (depending how old they were)

That 'Number 6" and 'Number 9" thing on his wikipedia page is just so unnerving jeez