Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[Migmuu]

The Democrat and Chronicle has a picture of Tammy with her sister Pamela when they were younger:

 

[HP@82]

Sorry used the name of a specific fundraiser site there! Let's change that to fundraiser

That's a very nice gesture/thought... However, we (family) don't want to move her. Someone has offered to add her name I believe. Her current stone speaks her to heaven, and has to be one of the kindest gesture of humanity to and unknown child we've ever seen! She has a beautiful grave, that the family will come to visit. However, it has been her resting place all these years, and it tells a story... A sad story with a bittersweet ending, but her story it is.

 

[four4rock]

Just a side note here. The caller actually said a husband and wife arguing beside the road, nobody has ever been able to confirm that this had anything to do with Cali, and at the current time, there is no actual proof that they were even in the same spot Cali was killed. That cornfield stretch's up there a long way, and all the caller said was alone the road beside the cornfield.

Is there a source for this information/report that someone can point me to? Thanks in advance!

 

[Roselvr]

Just a side note here. The caller actually said a husband and wife arguing beside the road, nobody has ever been able to confirm that this had anything to do with Cali, and at the current time, there is no actual proof that they were even in the same spot Cali was killed. That cornfield stretch's up there a long way, and all the caller said was alone the road beside the cornfield.

A domestic disturbance; that appeared to be a husband & wife arguing by a car along the side of the road. I do not think we can say with 100% accuracy exactly what was said. How many couples are arguing by a cornfield?

 

[Roselvr]

That's a very nice gesture/thought... However, we (family) don't want to move her. Someone has offered to add her name I believe. Her current stone speaks her to heaven, and has to be one of the kindest gesture of humanity to and unknown child we've ever seen! She has a beautiful grave, that the family will come to visit. However, it has been her resting place all these years, and it tells a story... A sad story with a bittersweet ending, but her story it is.

Would be nice to add a 2nd headstone with her name & a nice photo etching of Tammy. There are also other things that can be added such as a rose bud that signifies a teenager passing before they fully bloomed. Perhaps an angel looking over her..

 

[CarlK90245]

I think Roselvr is saying 2nd in addition to the "unidentified girl" headstone. It would stand behind and above the existing one.

For Dorothy Gay Howard (Boulder Jane Doe)'s gravestone, they did an interesting job of incorporating the old Jane Doe headstone right into the new one with her name on it.

 

[carbuff]

I don't think there is a reliable source for either the argument or the "suspect" sketch. Roselvr, do you think you could clarify that with LE next time you talk to them?

 

[Roselvr]

I don't think there is a reliable source for either the argument or the "suspect" sketch. Roselvr, do you think you could clarify that with LE next time you talk to them?

I highly doubt LE will confirm the argument, especially since this is a murder investigation. That came from work we did in my secret FB group where we have local members.

I think Roselvr is saying 2nd in addition to the "unidentified girl" headstone. It would stand behind and above the existing one.

For Dorothy Gay Howard (Boulder Jane Doe)'s gravestone, they did an interesting job of incorporating the old Jane Doe headstone right into the new one with her name on it.

Yes, you know me pretty well by now lol
I think it would be awesome to keep "Cali's" original head stone; but make a new one for Tammy. I was thinking either they could "drill" (not sure of the terminology) into the new headstone to cut out 6 or so inches; then slip Cali's stone into it to make Cali's look like it's part of the new one; or they could lay the original at her feet; or do something like Dorothy's.

DNA aided '50s Jane Doe case

A description and photo of a facial reconstruction was then posted on the Doe Network, an online listing of missing persons and unidentified remains. Two missing women were ruled out, paving the way for skilled Internet users to continue the search.

Extensive new media coverage brought forward a family member. In 2009, DNA extracted from Jane Doe's remains matched a woman with a long-missing sister, an 18-year-old who had left her second husband in Phoenix.

No one knows why, or how, Dorothy Gay Howard ended up in Colorado. But she's here to stay. In 2010, her original stone was combined with a new stone bearing her name

 

[carbuff]

I highly doubt LE will confirm the argument, especially since this is a murder investigation. That came from work we did in my secret FB group where we have local members.

Okay, thanks, I didn't think I had ever read it in any open source. Sorry for intruding on secrets I didn't know about.

 

[Roselvr]

Okay, thanks, I didn't think I had ever read it in any open source. Sorry for intruding on secrets I didn't know about.

You're not intruding. This link below was the 1st set of questions that we asked; I'm pretty sure we have more that asked about the sketch; I have to look in the group. I would assume that the domestic would fall under what they will not release because we had asked for tox screen, police and autopsy report under the Freedom Of Information Act

LAW ENFORCEMENT VERIFIED INFORMATION Caledonia Jane Doe List of questions to LE 10/3

1. Was a tox screen done? We'd like to request a copy of the tox screen, police report and autopsy report. Do we need to use the Freedom of Info act to request it?

A - Tox screen was done and there were no drugs or alcohol in her system. I would be happy to answer any questions you have, but releasing any documents in their entirety may prove detrimental to a prosecution should be ever get to that point. Even though this is most certainly a "cold case", it is still open and being actively investigated.

2. Was it determined where she ate her last meal?

A - It was not determined with certainty, but we believe her last meal was at the Lima Diner. They were the only restaurant within a reasonable distance that served ham and corn the evening before she was found. The witness remembered a male and female coming in and that the female wore a red jacket that appeared too big for her. This witness was unable to positively identify our Jane Doe.

9. DINER RELATED - What was the name of the Diner ( in LIMA?)? How far from where she was found? Was she wearing the same outfit when at the diner? Since the waitress described the guy she was with, did they act like they knew each other?

A - Lima Diner was the name. The distance from where she was found to the Diner is just under 9 miles. The waitress noted the red jacket that appeared too big for her. The waitress noted that she appeared younger than the male she was with and the waitress assumed maybe they were brother and sister. She did not note any unusual behavior between the two.

10. TRUCKER RELATED - How many truckers actually remembered seeing her hitching? Where was the truck stop that the trucker saw her at (at 20 and 5 or somewhere else?)? How many thought her destination was Boston Mass Vs NY? How many truckers actually admitted seeing her the night before?

A - We checked every restaurant and truck stop headed east between Hopewell, NY (Ontario County) and Caledonia. We did not locate anyone other than the waitress at the Lima Diner who had any information. I am not aware of any truckers that saw her.

 

[Roselvr]

Want to share this here; I just added it to Tammy's thread -

The interview was a bit disorganized. Tricia told me what questions she was going to ask, and so I prepared for those questions, and then she went off script with different questions. I got cut off mid sentence a few times for commercials, and we never were able to cover all the things we were planning on talking about.

And I rambled on too long on the things I did talk about.

His interview starts at 22:07; so forward to 22:05. I'm still listening; am at 32 minutes in; you're talking about how you started doing recons. 33 starts Cali/ Tammy Jo.

Beth Karas and Carl Koppelman Radio Archive Jan. 2015 - January 29 2015
Guests: Beth Karas and Carl Koppelman

On today’s True Crime Show with Tricia Griffith, we talk to Beth Karas to get an update on the Jody Arias case. As well as talking to Carl Koppelman and how he identified the body of a 16 year old girl from the 70’s!!

 

[CarlK90245]

Want to share this here; I just added it to Tammy's thread -



His interview starts at 22:07; so forward to 22:05. I'm still listening; am at 32 minutes in; you're talking about how you started doing recons. 33 starts Cali/ Tammy Jo.

Beth Karas and Carl Koppelman Radio Archive Jan. 2015 - January 29 2015
Guests: Beth Karas and Carl Koppelman

On today’s True Crime Show with Tricia Griffith, we talk to Beth Karas to get an update on the Jody Arias case. As well as talking to Carl Koppelman and how he identified the body of a 16 year old girl from the 70’s!!

Thanks, Roselvr. That's the first time I've gone back and listened to it.

I guess that wasn't as bad as I thought it was when I was doing the interview. I was very nervous because she wasn't asking the questions that she told me that she was going to ask, and I was talking with sort of halting and hesitant flow. But overall, I guess it wasn't that bad. LOL.

 

[Roselvr]

Thanks, Roselvr. That's the first time I've gone back and listened to it.

I guess that wasn't as bad as I thought it was when I was doing the interview. I was very nervous because she wasn't asking the questions that she told me that she was going to ask, and I was talking with sort of halting and hesitant flow. But overall, I guess it wasn't that bad. LOL.

I think you did well; better then what I would have done. It's one thing to be prepared with questions & another to have to wing it! lol
She should get Pam on too

 

[CarlK90245]

Democrat & Chronicle reporter Gary Craig wrote a second more detailed story for the weekend issue of their paper.

Very detailed and excellently written.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...-livingston-county-florida-jane-doe/22657719/

 

[Roselvr]

Full article is on Never Forget Me in case it goes away

Sister hoped 'Cali' escaped toxic life

But, Dyson said, she would not be surprised if Alexander was leaving a turbulent household, one in which a pill-addicted mother could fly into volatile rages and temper tantrums.

"She did prescription drugs," Dyson said of her mother, Barbara. "She was suicidal. I think she had issues back then that they didn't diagnose.

"My mother put Joan Crawford to shame," Dyson said, mentioning the actress, portrayed by her daughter as a domineering abusive alcoholic in the book Mommie Dearest.

In the immediate aftermath of Monday's announcement, Dyson found herself embroiled in online scuffles over the question of whether Alexander's parents reported her missing in 1979. Investigators at the Hernando County, Florida, Sheriff's Office insisted there was no record of a report, while Dyson believes Alexander was reported missing.

"I truly believe from the bottom of my heart that, because of my sister's history, they didn't take it seriously, that she was just another runaway," Dyson said.
Still, she said, her mother "worshipped" Tammy Jo. "My sister was my mom's golden child."
Because of that, Dyson said, she cannot fathom that her mother — despite her erratic mental health — would not report Tammy Jo's disappearance to the police.

 

[Roselvr]

Democrat & Chronicle reporter Gary Craig wrote a second more detailed story for the weekend issue of their paper.

Very detailed and excellently written.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...-livingston-county-florida-jane-doe/22657719/

From your article; which I'm also posting on Cali's FB page

I really wonder why no one recognized Tammy..

Dyson, who had a different father, moved away from the home when she was around 12 years old. After Alexander's disappearance, Dyson said, there was always talk at family get-togethers and reunions about her possible whereabouts. She said she feels sure a missing-person report was filed by the family.

York said Brooksville, Florida, had its own connection to Jane Doe, even before she was identified. A retired New York state trooper moved there, and plastered the area with the posters of Jane Doe's likeness, York said. Yet none of those posters apparently registered with residents. No one ever called to say Jane Doe looked like a teenager who had gone missing in the late 1970s.

"When I heard that it was Brooksville, Florida, (where Tammy Jo Alexander lived), I almost fell out of my chair," York said. "The irony of that."

 

[paul1980]

A reason could possibly be that people's faces and voices fade in memory after they are no longer around - that's why the Uncle Don urban legend was revived by that fake Kermit Schafer bloopers tape - few in the audience was able to remember what the *real* Uncle Don's voice sounded like, as he was now dead and had been off WOR radio for some time before that.

 

[carbuff]

The older sketches don't look very much like her.

 

[Roselvr]

He also doesn't say what year that was.

 

[Drphibes]

following all this with amazement. cannot believe what a year its been - suzanne sevakis, tammy, maybe soon grateful doe. just shows how important it is for sites like websleuths to keep going when law enforcement has come to a dead end. keep working hard everyone!