Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[Roselvr]

Bruises are what we always referred to as health marks.....my son's pediatrician once told me.....if a child comes in here and is never bruised, I become concerned that something is wrong because that child is not active enough......bruises do not scar......if the scars were localized, I'd not think them so unusual......
children gets cuts and scrapes all the time while running and playing, most of them do not scar.....and if they do scar, given the amount of skin growth still to occur, they will vanish quickly......take a minute and really look at that list......even considering my own childhood, we had acres of woods to run.....we have climbed fences, jumped from haylofts....rode horses and bikes, created many contraptions using washing machine motors.....to just name a few.....and when my sister vanished at age 13, she had one half inch scar on her knee, which she earned from a sled runner......as I said... kids will be kids, and everyone is different BUT......to me, she appears to have excess scars......and yes, not taking care of an injury can result in scaring......all my mind reads out of that is....this child sure had allot of injuries that were not attended to.....

I have thin skin that cuts easy. My daughter probably has more then me
I have a scar under my chin from an ice skate blade connecting with it (went with school; someone was pushed)
I had a hole in my head from making a sea saw; landing on a rock; bet there is a scar under my hair
left thigh; scar from slicing it on a 70 Mustang Grande bumper
3 holes on right ankle; 3 holes left shoulder
multiple scars on arms
Back then; my knees could have bruises or cuts from roller skating
My top front teeth had a crack in them from hitting them on Rainbow Rapids water slide; pretty sure I was 14; happened when I was with the Mustang guy.

Also; back then; guys over 18 could date girls younger then them; there were no laws.

Cali's scars
-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger

 

[annegrete]

Print screens- sorry I'm so late posting

That first sketch does not do justice for our Cali. She looks like a caricature!

 

[Hexe]

2. Shot first in the head then dragged face down into the field. No effort to hide her. Jacket was red. Road was busier then as the interstate was not built yet.

That. She wasn't very big, so why to drag her (by her feet, I assume, as she was dragged face down)? An average built man would have no problem with lifting her, so the murderer, whoever he (or she) was, had to be rather small and weak.

 

[BaxterDE42]

That. She wasn't very big, so why to drag her (by her feet, I assume, as she was dragged face down)? An average built man would have no problem with lifting her, so the murderer, whoever he (or she) was, had to be rather small and weak.

Interesting theories posted here.As to the size of the perp, I wouldn't necessarily make an assumption he was of slight build because he dragged his victim. He was at his "dump" site and made no effort to choose a seculeded area. She was nothing more than a garbagage bag to him and to pick up a foot and drag her would be consistant with a person trating her as such. May he be rotting away at this point.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

That. She wasn't very big, so why to drag her (by her feet, I assume, as she was dragged face down)? An average built man would have no problem with lifting her, so the murderer, whoever he (or she) was, had to be rather small and weak.

I would guess he drug her by the feet to avoid getting blood all over himself as he had just shot her in the head.

 

[annegrete]

I would guess he drug her by the feet to avoid getting blood all over himself as he had just shot her in the head.

Didn't think of that, but yeah, good point, Still Seek Answers. I'm recently fixated on him dragging her face down by the feet, like she was an inconvenient piece of trash.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Didn't think of that, but yeah, good point, Still Seek Answers. I'm recently fixated on him dragging her face down by the feet, like she was an inconvenient piece of trash.

And realistically....that could be the reason also. I was just making another suggestion. Sometimes when killers place their victims in way to avoid seeing their faces ( face down, or face covered) it can also indicate a sign or remorse. Though I doubt that is the case in this instance...... I was only making a suggestion. The fact that he drug her face down, and then shot her again.....IMO rules out remorse.

 

[Venom]

Dragging her may have just been easier and less messy. If he carried her he may have gotten blood on him. :dunno:

I don't like that sketch of her at all. It doesn't do her any justice.

 

[alreetlike]

I've been following this thread for a long time but haven't contributed before. I've just caught up with about the last 10 pages and I just wanted to say thanks for all of your hard work towards identifying this girl.

 

[CarlK90245]

I posted the revised version a couple of weeks ago, and it is already seven pages back. :bump: Bumping this up to the current page.

:bump: for revision to my facial reconstruction of Cali:

 

[BaxterDE42]

And realistically....that could be the reason also. I was just making another suggestion. Sometimes when killers place their victims in way to avoid seeing their faces ( face down, or face covered) it can also indicate a sign or remorse. Though I doubt that is the case in this instance...... I was only making a suggestion. The fact that he drug her face down, and then shot her again.....IMO rules out remorse.

BBM

Very good point! Also worth noting is that in cases where the murderer cared for or was related to the victim and did feel some level of remorse or regret, he/she would likely have carried the victim - a sign of "closeness" verses dragging. Some cover their victim with clothing or leaves and branches as an unconscious way of burying the victim. That's not to say many are covered to hide the body.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

BBM

Very good point! Also worth noting is that in cases where the murderer cared for or was related to the victim and did feel some level of remorse or regret, he/she would likely have carried the victim - a sign of "closeness" verses dragging. Some cover their victim with clothing or leaves and branches as an unconscious way of burying the victim. That's not to say many are covered to hide the body.

Exactly.....every case has many possibilities.....and a person has to leave themselves open to the fact that there are several possible scenarios.....truth is even once she is identified, even if the killer is caught...we may never know the real truth behind why she was killed, or why he treated her so horribly ( shooting her in the face, dragging her face down, then shooting her again) Because we wll never know her side of things.....the facts in this case do indicate she was not a stranger to him......and they do indicate that a few hours before she was killed there was nothing that would indicate he was about to kill her......but who knows

 

[Nameless Helper]

Exactly.....every case has many possibilities.....and a person has to leave themselves open to the fact that there are several possible scenarios.....truth is even once she is identified, even if the killer is caught...we may never know the real truth behind why she was killed, or why he treated her so horribly ( shooting her in the face, dragging her face down, then shooting her again) Because we wll never know her side of things.....the facts in this case do indicate she was not a stranger to him......and they do indicate that a few hours before she was killed there was nothing that would indicate he was about to kill her......but who knows

Unless he killer was a different person than the guy at the diner

 

[CarlK90245]

Since the Dental and DNA sections for NamUs UP cases are now closed to the public, I'll put the screenshot of Cali's dental and DNA sections here.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Unless he killer was a different person than the guy at the diner

As I said.......many possibilities.......and that could certainly be one of them......it was 9 miles from the diner to where she was killed......anything could have happened in those 9 miles.......and by killing her.....whoever her killer was......made sure we would never know her side.

 

[zinc]

VERIFIED INFORMATION
Per Nameless Helper phone call 10/1 to LE
[...]
3. Dental isotopes were done in 05 and last year. First suggested Carolina to Texas. Second south west. Indication I a lot of corn in the diet.
[...]

"Carolina to Texas" is pretty different from the Southwest! Would be nice to know if they did strontium to refine the probable infancy/childhood location.

"A lot of corn in the diet" makes me believe they probably did do multiple isotopes, likely at least carbon and nitrogen in addition to the already verified oxygen, but are not releasing the specifics.

"A lot of corn in the diet" also hints at possible Hispanic/Latina or "paisano" background, if not the suggested Native American or American Indian background. By "paisano" I mean the mixed Spanish/European, Native American Indian, Mexican (often Spain-dominant) background of the descendants of Spanish families that settled in the Southwest, especially New Mexico and parts of California. "Paisano" is sometimes considered an insulting term and I apologize if my use here causes any offense.

A question beyond my ken is whether the amount of corn in her diet or the origin of that corn would have been consistent with a white, American, Southern (particularly, impoverished Southern) upbringing around 1960.

[...]
10. TRUCKER RELATED - How many truckers actually remembered seeing her hitching? Where was the truck stop that the trucker saw her at (at 20 and 5 or somewhere else?)? How many thought her destination was Boston Mass Vs NY? How many truckers actually admitted seeing her the night before?

A - We checked every restaurant and truck stop headed east between Hopewell, NY (Ontario County) and Caledonia. We did not locate anyone other than the waitress at the Lima Diner who had any information. I am not aware of any truckers that saw her.
[...]

So we don't know whether she was encountered by any truckers or not. That information was always of dubious veracity, I guess...

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I'm no southerner, but cornbread, grits, etc., are pretty standard southern fare, aren't they? Maybe even moreso back then?

 

[momrids6]

A question beyond my ken is whether the amount of corn in her diet or the origin of that corn would have been consistent with a white, American, Southern (particularly, impoverished Southern) upbringing around 1960.


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RSBM: That Southern diet is almost identical to a poor rural diet in upstate NY in the 1960's as well.

NIH has already discounted isotopic analysis in adolescence. (see upthread)

The FBI mentioned eralier states the POI was driving a tan station wagon with wood sides. I would like to know how much checking they did as to whom owned one/ had one inspected ( NYS requires yearly inspections), etc.

I have found only 2 truly tan station wagons produced back then so far. The white and blue station wagons with wood trim were very popular in upstate NY in that era.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

"Carolina to Texas" is pretty different from the Southwest! Would be nice to know if they did strontium to refine the probable infancy/childhood location.


A question beyond my ken is whether the amount of corn in her diet or the origin of that corn would have been consistent with a white, American, Southern (particularly, impoverished Southern) upbringing around 1960.



So we don't know whether she was encountered by any truckers or not. That information was always of dubious veracity, I guess...

The trucker information tended to indicate she was headed to a certain location (Boston) and it also gave an indication that she was on her own. By removing the false factors, it allows more time to focus on the true facts.

He did not give us a specific breakdown of the test. However given that with the last article, LE flooded the SW with flyers......seems to indicate.....IMO.....they have reasons to believe that is where she was from. That however raises the question of how she managed to travel all that distance, and nobody remember seeing her......yet if she was not hitchhiking, but had left home with the same man she was seen with at the diner in Lima....then that would make it less likely of her being noticed along the way.

IMO......a lot of corn in the diet.....does not really restrict her location much. I'm from WV and we eat many corn products.....she was killed in NY and dumped in a cornfield.....I think a persons diet is more a matter of preference than it is of region.......personally I spent several years in Alabama, and did not change my diet to the foods popular in that region......and with my son.....he is going to eat pizza, cheeseburgers, and hotdogs.....and I don't care what state we are in.

 

[zinc]

NIH has already discounted isotopic analysis in adolescence. (see upthread)

I appreciate the many useful links you've provided in this thread. You're referring to this, I think?

We concluded that the δ(2)H-values obtained from tooth enamel could not be used as proxy for a person's geographical origin during adolescence.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21416527

I hope it's all right if I clarify:

The paper you linked refers to hydrogen isotopes. (2)H is an abbreviation for deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen sometimes called "heavy hydrogen."

The paper says that (2)H in hair, fingernails, and bone collagen and (18)O (an oxygen isotope) in bones and tooth enamel can be used to investigate geographic origin and migration, but that (2)H in tooth enamel appears not to be useful because the values are fairly stable over different geographical regions. In other words, isotope analysis for adolescence is not discredited as a whole, but according to these researchers you probably don't want to use (2)H1)H from tooth enamel for it.

The information we have on Cali Doe's possible origin from her teeth came from oxygen isotope analysis, probably (18)O16)O.

I'm no southerner, but cornbread, grits, etc., are pretty standard southern fare, aren't they? Maybe even moreso back then?

We certainly think of cornmeal-heavy starches as being pretty Southern. But I'm wondering about clear data on what proportion of the diet cornmeal actually comprised for Southerners (or anyone else) at that time. Most Southerners would have had access to wheat flour for biscuits and light bread by 1960 if they were not buying supermarket loaves, and would have consumed a fair amount of wheat within their means. By contrast, some people of southwestern, Hispanic, or Native American origin during that era would have eaten a diet almost entirely reliant on corn as the main grain food.

Anyway, that was just a side line of thought and probably not a very useful one. Better to lean more on the data itself rather than on hand-wavey interpretations of the data.

Edited to add: The average American diet would measure "pretty high in corn" via isotope ratio analysis because our meat/dairy animals eat a lot of corn, and then we eat them or their milk/eggs*. I assumed above that "a lot of corn" meant "more than in the average American diet," but it occurs to me that maybe that's wrong.

* For example, see the following article about the studies that were done to identify the Mammoth Lakes, California UID female, Barbara Pachego Santiago, including isotope analyses for diet and geographical origin:
Forensic Magazine: Four Years to Day One: A Saga of Science and Inquest
http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2007/01/four-years-day-one-saga-science-and-inquest