Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[Roselvr]

The Jacket was part of a promotion, if I remember correctly. But there was no way to track down who all they had been given to. Some of the details are so sketchy that it is hard to be certain, but I do not see anything stand outish about her clothing. I think it was fairly common apparel in 1979. Just a general question, but.....what states in the midwest would you classify as having a diet high in corn? Remember......this is not going to exclude other foods......but corn based foods are going to be higher than average foods?

Indiana, Iowa & MN are known for corn. Corn in general tends to be very popular amongst Midwestern states.

I also assume she could have parents that own a farm where they grow corn.

 

[LucyOso]

I also assume she could have parents that own a farm where they grow corn.

Or she was in a group home/foster home that farmed. But, corn is pretty common in many diets because it is affordable and easy to process for consumption. I am not sure if corn products or wheat products where cheaper during the 1960 or 1970's, but, that could be part of the diet high in corn.

 

[Nikon]

Sounds like most are at her joints

Yeah, what's up with that?

-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger

Half of those scars sound like the result of a procedure. Perhaps some obsolete procedure.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Indiana, Iowa & MN are known for corn. Corn in general tends to be very popular amongst Midwestern states.

Thank you......but I am not just looking for corn per say......I am talking areas that diets high in corn based foods......things such as cornbreads.......taco shells.....but your help is appreciated and gave me a place to start.

 

[Wanting2Help]

Can anyone find any more information on "Tammy R Surdam"? She is listed on the attached site as missing but I cannot find any other info on her. She was last seen on 8/1/1979 and was 13 years old. She was from St Charles, MO. Not much to go on but I thought of Caledonia Jane Doe.

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/CJ51/Search?id=&column=date&page=1&personType=J&county=

 

[CarlK90245]

Can anyone find any more information on "Tammy R Surdam"? She is listed on the attached site as missing but I cannot find any other info on her. She was last seen on 8/1/1979 and was 13 years old. She was from St Charles, MO. Not much to go on but I thought of Caledonia Jane Doe.

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/CJ51/Search?id=&column=date&page=1&personType=J&county=

She was 12 when LKA.

There is an A---- Surdam who graduated from St. Charles HS in 1978 (According to Classmates.com). Maybe she is Tammy's sister.

ETA: A---- Surdam is not listed in any of the St. Charles HS yearbooks 1975-1978. She does have a facebook page under her married name. But no photos dating back to the 1970's.

 

[CarlK90245]

Can anyone find any more information on "Tammy R Surdam"? She is listed on the attached site as missing but I cannot find any other info on her. She was last seen on 8/1/1979 and was 13 years old. She was from St Charles, MO. Not much to go on but I thought of Caledonia Jane Doe.

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/CJ51/Search?id=&column=date&page=1&personType=J&county=

ETA: Here's her (apparently half) brother's FindAGrave memorial. Tammy and A---- are listed as "Surviving" sisters. I would guess by the different surname that they have different fathers.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104195246

 

[Wanting2Help]

ETA: Here's her (apparently half) brother's FindAGrave memorial. Tammy and A---- are listed as "Surviving" sisters. I would guess by the different surname that they have different fathers.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104195246

Thanks for looking. I wish they had a flyer for her at least so we had more details.

 

[Tulessa]

I just found this case. I am a Cherokee and a traditional southerner. Let's not forget the cornmeal gravy! It's still a staple in my diet. Also, we had well water until I married my HS sweetheart at age 18. I never had problems with my teeth, (still have them), but the Health dept. would distribute fluoride tablets once a year to our school district. Just throwing some things out there. I never knew about Native Americans not being able to tolerate cow's milk. I have the same problems, as did my mom. Interesting work you guys are doing here. Kuddos to all of you.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I just found this case. I am a Cherokee and a traditional southerner. Let's not forget the cornmeal gravy! It's still a staple in my diet. Also, we had well water until I married my HS sweetheart at age 18. I never had problems with my teeth, (still have them), but the Health dept. would distribute fluoride tablets once a year to our school district. Just throwing some things out there. I never knew about Native Americans not being able to tolerate cow's milk. I have the same problems, as did my mom. Interesting work you guys are doing here. Kuddos to all of you.

Who could ever forget corn pon? It was/is a staple in many diets in the US..... actually a diet high in corn based foods could very well be due to a Native American heritage.

 

[Tulessa]

Who could ever forget corn pon? It was/is a staple in many diets in the US..... actually a diet high in corn based foods could very well be due to a Native American heritage.

Corn pon, was slang to a pon of cornbread, or a PAN of cornbread, baked in an iron skillet. Corn was a treat to us in the winter time. Mom would raise a big garden and cut corn from the cob and either pickle it, or put it in the freezer. Another staple was what mom called leather britches. That was green beans strung up with a needle and thread and dried. Corn in November, wasn't common and was saved for Sunday dinners. Hope these little tidbits from my childhood in the 60's help in some small way.

 

[dogperson]

That's really interesting about the cow's milk not being tolerated well by Native Americans because I have never been able to tolerate it, even had to have soy formula as a baby, and most of my relatives can't drink it either. One of my great-grandmothers was full Cherokee and the other great-grandmother was half Cherokee. My allergist says I test positive for milk allergy, however I can have it in processed form like cheese, but not ice cream or cottage cheese, etc. He says it's not really lactose intolerance but an actual allergy to the milk protein, casein.
Anyway, in SW Virginia where I grew up everybody had huge cornfields and a pan of cornbread was an everyday thing, also corn on the cob, corn off the cob, etc. We even sometimes baked corn on the cob in the oven with butter and salt. But as another poster mentioned, our UID was not necessarily southern as she could have been from states where tacos, tamales and so forth are eaten as well.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Corn pon, was slang to a pon of cornbread, or a PAN of cornbread, baked in an iron skillet. Corn was a treat to us in the winter time. Mom would raise a big garden and cut corn from the cob and either pickle it, or put it in the freezer. Another staple was what mom called leather britches. That was green beans strung up with a needle and thread and dried. Corn in November, wasn't common and was saved for Sunday dinners. Hope these little tidbits from my childhood in the 60's help in some small way.

LOL......I guess different cultures and/or areas call different things by different names. Here all corn bread is baked in a hot iron skillet....I still do that even today......makes the bottom and sides a little more crusty. Corn pon was a pan gravy made out of corn meal instead of flour.....and sometimes a little sugar was tossed in to just add a little sweet flavor. Not to be confused with the corn meal mush....which was also a gravy made from pan meat drippings such as bacon or sausage...and then served on top of biscuits or cornbread........this was never sweetened. My Mom canned our corn. I spoke to a few of my elderly neighbors and they all told me the same thing.....pon is the gravy......and corn is easy to can if you toss a thick slice of green tomato on top.....lol. I am sure none of this is helpful to little Cali.....but that is WV type food.. corn based foods were common in our home.....BUT....
The only thing that showed higher than average in Cali was corn based foods. So that leaves out many other staples....potatoes....flour....IMHO....that is pointing to a specific area, or culture. I am going to start looking around Native American areas. That is also going to include meat that was grain fed. Here we alternate hay and grain.....but in some places cattle/pigs are corn fed and are often also fed the stocks.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

That's really interesting about the cow's milk not being tolerated well by Native Americans because I have never been able to tolerate it, even had to have soy formula as a baby, and most of my relatives can't drink it either. One of my great-grandmothers was full Cherokee and the other great-grandmother was half Cherokee. My allergist says I test positive for milk allergy, however I can have it in processed form like cheese, but not ice cream or cottage cheese, etc. He says it's not really lactose intolerance but an actual allergy to the milk protein, casein.
Anyway, in SW Virginia where I grew up everybody had huge cornfields and a pan of cornbread was an everyday thing, also corn on the cob, corn off the cob, etc. We even sometimes baked corn on the cob in the oven with butter and salt. But as another poster mentioned, our UID was not necessarily southern as she could have been from states where tacos, tamales and so forth are eaten as well.

That is also true......and many people are confusing corn.....with corn based foods... ..So, I did some research....Maize is produced in higher amounts in the US than in anywhere else.... if you look at this map, the dark green areas represent the area that Maize/Corn is produced in large amounts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Corn_belt.svg
I can't speak for everyplace....but here, we eat a lot of area grown foods. If you google corn based foods, the results might amaze you.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

She was 12 when LKA.

There is an A---- Surdam who graduated from St. Charles HS in 1978 (According to Classmates.com). Maybe she is Tammy's sister.

ETA: A---- Surdam is not listed in any of the St. Charles HS yearbooks 1975-1978. She does have a facebook page under her married name. But no photos dating back to the 1970's.

I can't find her in NAMUS, NCMEC or NAMPN. It is possible I missed her.....but I think her file needs updated. Having her listed as a surviving sibling does not say much.....we listed Deb as a surviving child in both my parents obits.....because we have no proof she is dead.

May be nothing, but I think a call to check her status is at least in order......unless someone already has?

 

[CarlK90245]

I can't find her in NAMUS, NCMEC or NAMPN. It is possible I missed her.....but I think her file needs updated. Having her listed as a surviving sibling does not say much.....we listed Deb as a surviving child in both my parents obits.....because we have no proof she is dead.

May be nothing, but I think a call to check her status is at least in order......unless someone already has?

She is not listed anywhere except the State of Missouri website.

 

[Tulessa]

That's really interesting about the cow's milk not being tolerated well by Native Americans because I have never been able to tolerate it, even had to have soy formula as a baby, and most of my relatives can't drink it either. One of my great-grandmothers was full Cherokee and the other great-grandmother was half Cherokee. My allergist says I test positive for milk allergy, however I can have it in processed form like cheese, but not ice cream or cottage cheese, etc. He says it's not really lactose intolerance but an actual allergy to the milk protein, casein.
Anyway, in SW Virginia where I grew up everybody had huge cornfields and a pan of cornbread was an everyday thing, also corn on the cob, corn off the cob, etc. We even sometimes baked corn on the cob in the oven with butter and salt. But as another poster mentioned, our UID was not necessarily southern as she could have been from states where tacos, tamales and so forth are eaten as well.

It really is! My son had to drink Prosobe(sp) as a infant. Soy milk.

 

[Tulessa]

LOL......I guess different cultures and/or areas call different things by different names. Here all corn bread is baked in a hot iron skillet....I still do that even today......makes the bottom and sides a little more crusty. Corn pon was a pan gravy made out of corn meal instead of flour.....and sometimes a little sugar was tossed in to just add a little sweet flavor. My Mom canned our corn. I spoke to a few of my elderly neighbors and they all told me the same thing.....pon is the gravy......and corn is easy to can if you toss a thick slice of green tomato on top.....lol. I am sure none of this is helpful to little Cali.....but that is WV type food.. corn based foods were common in our home.....BUT....
The only thing that showed higher than average in Cali was corn based foods. So that leaves out many other staples....potatoes....flour....IMHO....that is pointing to a specific area, or culture. I am going to start looking around Native American areas.

You never know when these little things we are discussing, can trigger a memory, that might lead to new leads. I admire you guys so much for your dedication to this individual.

 

[taramarie]

Namus recently added a 15 year old girl, Linda M. Adams, missing from Washington since June of 1978. I found through a quick google search that she was a chronic runaway, so it would be quite possible for her to still be alive until 1979 when Callie was found. I can't find a photo though. Thoughts?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21953/11/

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

The size is right and the hair/eyes. Her dentals are blocked, so can't tell much from them. Will have to see if some of the mystical powers that be......can find her in a yearbook. A photo can make a world of difference in a MP/UID case.....I see no mention of her having any scars.....but maybe they just did not mention it. Hard to say until we see if a pic can be found. Very nice catch.