NY NY - Colin Gillis, 18, Tupper Lake, 11 March 2012

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The Wild Center east of Tupper Lake, the party was west of...FWIW

Google Maps

Wild Center

ETA: but only 5 miles (-ish) between there and route 3 west of P road where Colin was last seen walking!!
 
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Human bones found on Wild Center property

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...Kentile Excavating of Tupper Lake was moving dirt in a Wild Center overflow parking lot when the first bone was discovered. The parking lot is located between the nature museum, a baseball field at L.P. Quinn Elementary School and Beth Joseph Cemetery, which sits around 400 feet from the parking lot.
 
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Human bones found on Wild Center property

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...Kentile Excavating of Tupper Lake was moving dirt in a Wild Center overflow parking lot when the first bone was discovered. The parking lot is located between the nature museum, a baseball field at L.P. Quinn Elementary School and Beth Joseph Cemetery, which sits around 400 feet from the parking lot.

Sorry for quoting myself....adding map to show the above, BBM.

Google Maps
 
  • #866
The Wild Center east of Tupper Lake, the party was west of...FWIW

Google Maps

Wild Center

ETA: but only 5 miles (-ish) between there and route 3 west of P road where Colin was last seen walking!!
The bones may well be Colin's. If his body was not buried, he may have suffered a head injury at the hands of the bully from the party and then wandered off before collapsing. The cause of death could have been an epidural or subdural hematoma or hypothermia. In any event, I hope the bully can be charged with murder if the bones do turn out to be Colin's.
 
  • #867
If these remains are Colin, it would point to foul play as they had to be excavated. Sadly it sounds like the bones were very disturbed and no mention of clothing etc. This could very well be a native skeleton, too.

Police say bones found are actually human; bear bones found in separate Tupper Lake location | News, Sports, Jobs - Adirondack Daily Enterprise

The human bones were dug up by an excavating crew from Kentile Excavating of Tupper Lake while it was moving dirt from a Wild Center overflow parking lot, near L.P. Quinn Elementary School and Beth Joseph Cemetery.

Fleishman wrote in an email that more related bones were found around the same time in the front yard of a private residence, where fill dug up from behind the parking lot had been dropped.

Fleishman said the human bones were sent out for carbon dating.
 
  • #868
In the Google map tarabull posted above, Lakeview Cemetery is located at the corner of Hosley Ave and Museum Drive, in the area of the excavation. So, it's likely the bones are not recent. JMO
 
  • #869
Human remains found at Tupper Lake construction site
May 31, 2018

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...The discovery was made near Beth Joseph Cemetery.

Investigators believe the bones may have been from an old, unmarked grave.

The first burials at the Jewish cemetery were in the early 1890s.

DNA analysis will be conducted to determine if the remains belong to anyone who may have been reported as missing in the area.



 
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My computer hates me and I had trouble submitting there (been having lots of computer problems) but, I was able to submit to Crime Junkies...hopeful they will cover it!

Where is Colin?

Justice for Colin!
 
  • #871
When I first learned of Colin's disappearance, I initially believed that he had either succumbed to exposure or fallen through the ice, but the fact that authorities were able to identify tracks leading over the guardrail where he stopped for a moment makes me reconsider -- if they could see those tracks, then they would have been able to see any other tracks leading off the road into the forest or onto & across an iced-over pond/lake. I now believe in the theory that there was foul play, whether it was someone who intentionally set out to cause Colin harm or was a result of a confrontation that escalated.

I'm sorry, this is long and a little scattered but I wanted to share my two cents' worth (all of which is my own opinion...)

Just to clarify for future readers -- this is a small town tucked into the wilderness among extremely dense forests, remote bodies of water, and terrain that can challenge the most seasoned of hikers. Although downtown Tupper Lake is set up in a grid pattern, it's small enough to cover all of the "city blocks" in probably 20 minutes on foot. Wilderness takes over pretty quick as you reach the edges of town, and there are no real suburbs or developments along the outskirts. It's a busy little town, with a constant flow of tourists passing through in every season, but at the end of the day it's still a very small community where families know one another and are intertwined for generations. Colin was not in town when he disappeared -- the only "civilization" in the area is random seasonal camps and residences that are spaced a good distance apart. For those not familiar with the area, close your eyes and imagine nothing around you except trees and boulders and bodies of water with a road winding along -- it's a place you can experience true solitude without having to go far to find it.

The largest non-human predators in the area are black bear and coyotes (and moose can be dangerous during rut.) I don't for a minute believe that this was an animal v. human scenario, there would have been visible blood and drag marks.

I do not believe that Colin mistakenly turned in the wrong direction when he reached Route 3, nor do I believe that he was impaired enough to forget to put on a coat. Kids that grow up in an area like this know to respect the weather, it's second nature to them. You don't spend every winter of your life bundled to the eyes only to wander off in a t-shirt and sneakers on a night of sub-zero temperatures, and you don't live in an area for 18 years and forget the route to your house. I feel that he was headed to another friend's home, whether that involved the friend picking him up in a vehicle or him making his way there on foot. I tend to think he was without a coat because he left his pack in the car that brought him (and that subsequently left the party before he did), but I waver on that point as it would seem his friend would have turned the pack in as soon as they found it in the car...

My thoughts on the arm-waving is that he was either trying to stay warm, or trying to keep his balance -- not long ago I almost hit a woman who was walking the white line on the highway, heel-to-toe, and waving her arms to keep her balance. I also have countless times in my younger days waved my arms wildly to keep my balance while walking across the top of a bridge/fallen log/pavilion roof. I mean, I know there aren't set rules as to how to flag down another vehicle, but when you run into that situation, it's usually pretty obvious when someone is trying to get you to stop, obvious enough that you wouldn't question what they were trying to communicate.

He could very well have dropped his ID and pipe while fishing around in his pockets for a lighter or his stash -- cold fingers are awkward, denim jeans are tailored to fit and when you're fishing around for an item it's almost a given that you're going to pull out whatever else is in there, including lint. If you're doing that while you're walking, the items you're dropping are left in a trail behind you -- if someone is tossing those same items out of the window of a vehicle, they wind up further afield instead of just along the shoulder. Maybe not the ID because it doesn't have much weight to carry it far, but even a small wooden pipe would hit the pavement and either skid or bounce its way into the vegetation/snowbank beyond the shoulder.

My best guess is that this was a confrontation with someone Colin knew, and things went far enough where he was fatally injured. I think someone he had been arguing with earlier came across him walking and stopped to confront Colin again. He may have been knocked down in a fist-fight or shoving match, or intentionally bumped with a car, and hit his head when he fell. From there, it's anyone's guess as to where his body was hidden -- I can think of a frighteningly long list of places to hide something in my own neck of the woods, and we don't have even a fraction of the wilderness that they have in the Adks. I'm afraid that at this point, it's a matter of waiting for someone to let enough information slip about what really happened.

I think of Colin and his family often, and always keep my eyes open for anything when I'm hiking in the area.
 
  • #872
An excellent summation and a very likely scenario.
 
  • #873
Deadfoot13, Thank you!!
 
  • #874
When I first learned of Colin's disappearance, I initially believed that he had either succumbed to exposure or fallen through the ice, but the fact that authorities were able to identify tracks leading over the guardrail where he stopped for a moment makes me reconsider -- if they could see those tracks, then they would have been able to see any other tracks leading off the road into the forest or onto & across an iced-over pond/lake. I now believe in the theory that there was foul play, whether it was someone who intentionally set out to cause Colin harm or was a result of a confrontation that escalated.

I'm sorry, this is long and a little scattered but I wanted to share my two cents' worth (all of which is my own opinion...)

Just to clarify for future readers -- this is a small town tucked into the wilderness among extremely dense forests, remote bodies of water, and terrain that can challenge the most seasoned of hikers. Although downtown Tupper Lake is set up in a grid pattern, it's small enough to cover all of the "city blocks" in probably 20 minutes on foot. Wilderness takes over pretty quick as you reach the edges of town, and there are no real suburbs or developments along the outskirts. It's a busy little town, with a constant flow of tourists passing through in every season, but at the end of the day it's still a very small community where families know one another and are intertwined for generations. Colin was not in town when he disappeared -- the only "civilization" in the area is random seasonal camps and residences that are spaced a good distance apart. For those not familiar with the area, close your eyes and imagine nothing around you except trees and boulders and bodies of water with a road winding along -- it's a place you can experience true solitude without having to go far to find it.

The largest non-human predators in the area are black bear and coyotes (and moose can be dangerous during rut.) I don't for a minute believe that this was an animal v. human scenario, there would have been visible blood and drag marks.

I do not believe that Colin mistakenly turned in the wrong direction when he reached Route 3, nor do I believe that he was impaired enough to forget to put on a coat. Kids that grow up in an area like this know to respect the weather, it's second nature to them. You don't spend every winter of your life bundled to the eyes only to wander off in a t-shirt and sneakers on a night of sub-zero temperatures, and you don't live in an area for 18 years and forget the route to your house. I feel that he was headed to another friend's home, whether that involved the friend picking him up in a vehicle or him making his way there on foot. I tend to think he was without a coat because he left his pack in the car that brought him (and that subsequently left the party before he did), but I waver on that point as it would seem his friend would have turned the pack in as soon as they found it in the car...

My thoughts on the arm-waving is that he was either trying to stay warm, or trying to keep his balance -- not long ago I almost hit a woman who was walking the white line on the highway, heel-to-toe, and waving her arms to keep her balance. I also have countless times in my younger days waved my arms wildly to keep my balance while walking across the top of a bridge/fallen log/pavilion roof. I mean, I know there aren't set rules as to how to flag down another vehicle, but when you run into that situation, it's usually pretty obvious when someone is trying to get you to stop, obvious enough that you wouldn't question what they were trying to communicate.

He could very well have dropped his ID and pipe while fishing around in his pockets for a lighter or his stash -- cold fingers are awkward, denim jeans are tailored to fit and when you're fishing around for an item it's almost a given that you're going to pull out whatever else is in there, including lint. If you're doing that while you're walking, the items you're dropping are left in a trail behind you -- if someone is tossing those same items out of the window of a vehicle, they wind up further afield instead of just along the shoulder. Maybe not the ID because it doesn't have much weight to carry it far, but even a small wooden pipe would hit the pavement and either skid or bounce its way into the vegetation/snowbank beyond the shoulder.

My best guess is that this was a confrontation with someone Colin knew, and things went far enough where he was fatally injured. I think someone he had been arguing with earlier came across him walking and stopped to confront Colin again. He may have been knocked down in a fist-fight or shoving match, or intentionally bumped with a car, and hit his head when he fell. From there, it's anyone's guess as to where his body was hidden -- I can think of a frighteningly long list of places to hide something in my own neck of the woods, and we don't have even a fraction of the wilderness that they have in the Adks. I'm afraid that at this point, it's a matter of waiting for someone to let enough information slip about what really happened.

I think of Colin and his family often, and always keep my eyes open for anything when I'm hiking in the area.
Bullies are cowards. If the bully from the party is still alive, he probably walks around on the verge of wetting his pants, waiting for that loud knock on the door.
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Like most cowards, he has probably used veiled threats to keep people from informing on him, but people will only be cowed for so long. The bully knows his day of reckoning is coming.
 
  • #875
Bumping for Colin
 
  • #876
@deadfoot13 I agree with your entire post!

I wonder what the general consensus in the Town of Tupper is about who committed this crime....I am guessing there is a strong theory.

I wonder what is going on with the investigation....

Colin deserves justice, I am heartbroken for his family!
 
  • #877
So here we are, year 7, and no progress? I know the area from which Colin disappeared is heavily rural, making the search for him like a needle in a haystack. But what about the people he was hanging around with just before he went missing. The police can't get any intel at all? Or maybe they have but are keeping it close to the vest. I pray this isn't yet another case that languishes for decades before a "break" finally happens. So sad...and frustrating.
 
  • #878
So here we are, year 7, and no progress? I know the area from which Colin disappeared is heavily rural, making the search for him like a needle in a haystack. But what about the people he was hanging around with just before he went missing. The police can't get any intel at all? Or maybe they have but are keeping it close to the vest. I pray this isn't yet another case that languishes for decades before a "break" finally happens. So sad...and frustrating.

I think some people at that party have a good idea what happened to Colin. But, there was also alcohol and underage kids. I am sure these kids were scared talking to police and likely wanted to protect themselves. Would be interesting to go back and interview some of them again now. I hope the police will do that! Last I saw AT, one of the last to see CG, was in jail but it wasn't related to this case. I'd imagine they have questioned him again.
 
  • #879
I have been reading through these posting and this what I think happened.
1. We know he was at the party with friends. One or two people were there that who he didn't get along with. There was fighting at the party. Not sure if he was fighting or not.
2. His friends wanted to leave, once the fighting started. He didn't want to leave with him. That tells me he wasn't completely drunk. Otherwise his wouldn't have left him.
3. For him to stay at party, with the fighting going on, and his friends leaving, their must of been a girl there that liked, and was hoping to go out with.
4. At some point, he got scared and left the party in a hurry, not taking time to put coat on. I figured he was hustling up the road to get to rte 3.
5. He went left, instead of right towards home, was to hide from the danger. I don't think he was so drunk, he didn't know which way to go home.
6. The people who he was running from, went right at rte 3, knowing where he lived. Maybe after a few miles, they figured that they would have run into him by now. So they turned around.
7. Eventually they find him, and stopped, and that is when he jumb over the curve.(based on previous post, they saw 1set of tracks). They might have decided to rob him, and told him to empty his pockets, and that is when he dropped his license, and something else. This is assuming that is where the police find the license, next to those foot tracks. At that point he got in car, either by force or on his own. That girl might have been in the car.
 
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I have been reading through these posting and this what I think happened.
1. We know he was at the party with friends. One or two people were there that who he didn't get along with. There was fighting at the party. Not sure if he was fighting or not.
2. His friends wanted to leave, once the fighting started. He didn't want to leave with him. That tells me he wasn't completely drunk. Otherwise his wouldn't have left him.
3. For him to stay at party, with the fighting going on, and his friends leaving, their must of been a girl there that liked, and was hoping to go out with.
4. At some point, he got scared and left the party in a hurry, not taking time to put coat on. I figured he was hustling up the road to get to rte 3.
5. He went left, instead of right towards home, was to hide from the danger. I don't think he was so drunk, he didn't know which way to go home.
6. The people who he was running from, went right at rte 3, knowing where he lived. Maybe after a few miles, they figured that they would have run into him by now. So they turned around.
7. Eventually they find him, and stopped, and that is when he jumb over the curve.(based on previous post, they saw 1set of tracks). They might have decided to rob him, and told him to empty his pockets, and that is when he dropped his license, and something else. This is assuming that is where the police find the license, next to those foot tracks. At that point he got in car, either by force or on his own. That girl might have been in the car.

On # 7 - I don't remember there being tracks?

And, I am not sure if a girl was involved but I agree that a car stopped and that is a piece of this puzzle. In fact, we even know that a certain car stopped and supposedly asked him if he wanted a ride. I just don't buy the account of that. IMO
 
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