My friend, so pretty and shy when she was alive
NY NY - Cynthia Constantine, 15, Oakdale, 11 July 1969
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I think these are her parents:
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Charlotte Constantine (1925-2014) - Find a Grave...
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Yes it is the graves of Cynthia’s and Bill’s parentsI think these are her parents:
Charlotte Constantine (1925-2014) - Find a Grave...
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Military Information: PFC, US ARMY AIR CORPS
Yes Cynthia was my childhood friend… quiet and shy and would never have run away like some believe..
I have same pictures, seeing her pic again brought sadness to my heart
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Much thanks for that Vanished episode. So they lived on the Montauk Highway, which ultimately runs into Sunrise Highway, I believe, from looking on the map. She sounds like she was on the introverted side and a very thoughtful, contemplative type of person. Very outdoors-oriented. The location she was interested in with the muskrat had served as a skating pond at times. The family dog, labrador, came back soaking wet, but she'd had him in the ponds. The brother believes she was taken at the railroad tracks, and you could have seen her from the highway at that time. The dog evidently had to cross the busy highway to return. Not an aggressive animal, evidently very friendly and would not have menaced an interloper. According to that episode, the way the family acquired the dog was dog was wandering around the area of the family home and they took the dog in.
A labrador is a large dog, how'd this person that approached Cynthia know the dog wouldn't attack? It may have been someone she knew, but it may also have been someone that came up asking if he could pet the dog. It may have been near the point where she'd have been visible from the highway, so perhaps she felt safer at that point, visible to others. She disappeared at the height of summer, July 11. She didn't voluntarily get in a vehicle without the dog, moo. They're discussing the possibility of Bundy on the episode, I see someone mulling over Cottingham. Definitely possible. I wonder about the railroad tracks aspect of it. Tracks, both when in and out of use for purposes of transportation, seem to be a draw for explorers of all stripes.
I see a newspaper clipping from 1972 noting ongoing planning of a bicycle path that was supposed to run from West Sayville to Oakdale. Cynthia's father owned a bike shop, so I'm wondering if that may have drawn someone to his shop, for some reason. I'm also seeing something about some club that was about a 6 minute drive from the area where Cynthia would have been in the woods, a place called South Side Sportsmen's Club. Catered to wealthy gentlemen in the area for hunting and fishing, closed in the 70s after a name change. This whole area was HUGE for hunters and outdoorsmen from all over New York, from what I can see on sources. At one time way back when, LIRR had a stop between Oakdale and Great River especially for the club. I see one gentleman who the club acknowledges on their webpage as being prominent I guess in the club, he raised championship labradors in the 50s and 60s. Am also seeing that many from the club decided to make Oakdale the site of their homes early in the club's history, so there's an incredibly strong association between Oakdale itself and this club. I'm wondering if the Constantine family dog may have originally wandered off those club grounds. And then could someone have seen Cynthia walking and recognized the dog, either specifically or as the "type" of dog associated with the club? They had kennels at that club, they used labrador retrievers in the hunting. The family dog according to Cynthia's relative would go after any animal, but the relative was sure the dog would NOT have gone after any human being, I'm gathering even in a threatening situation. That sounds like a dog very well trained almost exclusively for hunting. Am very much wondering about this club, and I believe they held weddings and other events there. July 11 1969 was a Friday, people coming in for the weekend. And that club employed many, many people as guides, cooks, etc. The state owns that club's grounds now, and I guess was leasing it for a time to the owners when the club's name was changed. The relative is noting the dog had left "scatter marks" where Cynthia's tracks end, so at this point, I think the killer may have brandished a weapon and made physical contact with Cynthia at that point. Maybe an SK, but one with some big card he had to play because he'd have had to dispose of the body and it even now has never been found, this doesn't always happen even with proficient SKs. Maybe his "big card" was familiarity with the area, maybe he came through that area specifically associated with the club and knew of a good place to hide the body, or maybe he came through often just generally for hunting trips. Maybe someone who took the LIRR. If I had to guess on this case at this point (which is difficult jmo with no body, no witnesses, not much left at the scene), I'd guess some kind of association with that club.
A labrador is a large dog, how'd this person that approached Cynthia know the dog wouldn't attack? It may have been someone she knew, but it may also have been someone that came up asking if he could pet the dog. It may have been near the point where she'd have been visible from the highway, so perhaps she felt safer at that point, visible to others. She disappeared at the height of summer, July 11. She didn't voluntarily get in a vehicle without the dog, moo. They're discussing the possibility of Bundy on the episode, I see someone mulling over Cottingham. Definitely possible. I wonder about the railroad tracks aspect of it. Tracks, both when in and out of use for purposes of transportation, seem to be a draw for explorers of all stripes.
I see a newspaper clipping from 1972 noting ongoing planning of a bicycle path that was supposed to run from West Sayville to Oakdale. Cynthia's father owned a bike shop, so I'm wondering if that may have drawn someone to his shop, for some reason. I'm also seeing something about some club that was about a 6 minute drive from the area where Cynthia would have been in the woods, a place called South Side Sportsmen's Club. Catered to wealthy gentlemen in the area for hunting and fishing, closed in the 70s after a name change. This whole area was HUGE for hunters and outdoorsmen from all over New York, from what I can see on sources. At one time way back when, LIRR had a stop between Oakdale and Great River especially for the club. I see one gentleman who the club acknowledges on their webpage as being prominent I guess in the club, he raised championship labradors in the 50s and 60s. Am also seeing that many from the club decided to make Oakdale the site of their homes early in the club's history, so there's an incredibly strong association between Oakdale itself and this club. I'm wondering if the Constantine family dog may have originally wandered off those club grounds. And then could someone have seen Cynthia walking and recognized the dog, either specifically or as the "type" of dog associated with the club? They had kennels at that club, they used labrador retrievers in the hunting. The family dog according to Cynthia's relative would go after any animal, but the relative was sure the dog would NOT have gone after any human being, I'm gathering even in a threatening situation. That sounds like a dog very well trained almost exclusively for hunting. Am very much wondering about this club, and I believe they held weddings and other events there. July 11 1969 was a Friday, people coming in for the weekend. And that club employed many, many people as guides, cooks, etc. The state owns that club's grounds now, and I guess was leasing it for a time to the owners when the club's name was changed. The relative is noting the dog had left "scatter marks" where Cynthia's tracks end, so at this point, I think the killer may have brandished a weapon and made physical contact with Cynthia at that point. Maybe an SK, but one with some big card he had to play because he'd have had to dispose of the body and it even now has never been found, this doesn't always happen even with proficient SKs. Maybe his "big card" was familiarity with the area, maybe he came through that area specifically associated with the club and knew of a good place to hide the body, or maybe he came through often just generally for hunting trips. Maybe someone who took the LIRR. If I had to guess on this case at this point (which is difficult jmo with no body, no witnesses, not much left at the scene), I'd guess some kind of association with that club.
We had a peeping Tom who lived in the neighborhood called Idle Hour the rich part of Oakdale, he was questioned by the police as he was caught in the act several times. I remember an incident from when I was young… this peeping Tom liked to look in windows on first floors specifically bathrooms and bedrooms.- Cynthia reported to Bill but never told her parents that she saw someone looking in her bedroom window the week before she was taken … When one does research on peeping Tom’s ..it is a first step to becoming a SK.
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Seeing this article in Suffolk County News, August 10 1972:
Could that be connected? Map of PJ Grady's (assuming same address) to Oakdale train:
Could that be connected? Map of PJ Grady's (assuming same address) to Oakdale train:
As always BEAUTIFUL! Thank you Diane!
Cynthia Dawn Constantine, 15 MISSING
1969 July 11 15 1400 Montauk Hwy, Oakdale, Suffolk County, NY.
Missing Since 07/11/1969 Oakdale, New York
White Female 15 years old DOB: 04/14/1954
Height and Weight 5'3, 117 pounds
Clothing/Jewellery Description:
A white blouse, black Bermuda shorts, orange sneakers and possibly a yellow metal chain with a cross pendant.
Distinguishing Characteristics
Caucasian female.
Blonde hair, blue eyes.
Cynthia has a mole on her throat and a discolored front tooth.
She wears eyeglasses.
She has previously fractured her lower right arm.
Cynthia was last seen in Oakdale, New York on July 11, 1969. She went to take the dog for a walk along the railroad tracks of the Montauk branch train of the Long Island Railroad. The dog returned home without her just a few minutes later, with its collar and leash still on. Earlier on the day of her disappearance, Cynthia and her brother had gone into the woods and seen a muskrat den, and she said she wanted to go back and find the muskrat.
Three young boys said they'd seen Cynthia going into the woods with her dog, and when her brother lead authorities to the muskrat hole, they found tracks consistent with Cynthia and the dog. The tracks were wiped out by rain before they could be closely examined or preserved, however. Cynthia has never been heard from again. She didn't take any belongings with her, and at the time of her disappearance her rabbit was about to give birth and she was looking forward to seeing the babies. Her family never believed she ran away; they thought she was abducted. The police considered Cynthia's father a possibly suspect in her disappearance. He had a bicycle shop on Montauk Highway in Oakdale, and laid a new cement floor in the basement around the time of Cynthia's disappearance. Several local people were suggested as potential suspects, but no one has been charged or named publicly. It's worth noting that she disappeared near the train station, and could have encountered numerous people there who weren't local to the area. Cynthia's parents are both dead, but her brother is still alive. Her case remains unsolved.
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1969 July 11 15 1400 Montauk Hwy, Oakdale, Suffolk County, NY.
Missing Since 07/11/1969 Oakdale, New York
White Female 15 years old DOB: 04/14/1954
Height and Weight 5'3, 117 pounds
Clothing/Jewellery Description:
A white blouse, black Bermuda shorts, orange sneakers and possibly a yellow metal chain with a cross pendant.
Distinguishing Characteristics
Caucasian female.
Blonde hair, blue eyes.
Cynthia has a mole on her throat and a discolored front tooth.
She wears eyeglasses.
She has previously fractured her lower right arm.
Cynthia was last seen in Oakdale, New York on July 11, 1969. She went to take the dog for a walk along the railroad tracks of the Montauk branch train of the Long Island Railroad. The dog returned home without her just a few minutes later, with its collar and leash still on. Earlier on the day of her disappearance, Cynthia and her brother had gone into the woods and seen a muskrat den, and she said she wanted to go back and find the muskrat.
Three young boys said they'd seen Cynthia going into the woods with her dog, and when her brother lead authorities to the muskrat hole, they found tracks consistent with Cynthia and the dog. The tracks were wiped out by rain before they could be closely examined or preserved, however. Cynthia has never been heard from again. She didn't take any belongings with her, and at the time of her disappearance her rabbit was about to give birth and she was looking forward to seeing the babies. Her family never believed she ran away; they thought she was abducted. The police considered Cynthia's father a possibly suspect in her disappearance. He had a bicycle shop on Montauk Highway in Oakdale, and laid a new cement floor in the basement around the time of Cynthia's disappearance. Several local people were suggested as potential suspects, but no one has been charged or named publicly. It's worth noting that she disappeared near the train station, and could have encountered numerous people there who weren't local to the area. Cynthia's parents are both dead, but her brother is still alive. Her case remains unsolved.
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I had contact with her brother a few years ago and he highly suspected a local.
Today is Cynthia’s heavenly birthday!
Iam sure he knows the truth. My heart goes to her brother, all these years not knowing….
I also wonder if that “local” did this again???
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I tried to find information etc but couldn't. I'll might have to try again.
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