GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

  • #381
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St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain said the charges were amended to second-degree kidnapping for the purposes of the hearing so the two girls would not have to testify. Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe was the sole witness to testify at the hearing.

Ms. Vaisey was sent back to the St. Lawrence County jail without bail pending further court action.:jail:

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650

photo courtesy of JASON HUNTER • WATERTOWN DAILY TIMES

so ironic... Yet so typical...

NV advertised as a "slave" or sub or etc...

she is accessory to a heinous plan to kidnap two young innocent girls ....Put them in restraints... And make them her (and SH's) slaves...

yet... She wishes to be free... Out of jail...

:no:
 
  • #382
My understanding from the article is...

I believe there was one car in the abduction...

SH shoved the girls in the car... And NV was the "get away" driver...

However... In the release... They drove separate cars so that NV (in the white vehicle) could scope out for road blocks... While SH drove behind in another vehicle with the girls...

JMO....

I see the O/P corrected his/her post...:seeya:
 
  • #383
Where do these people come from? Where!!!!!!!

Hell itself!

Anyone that can even think of wanting to harm a child must not be human. That is all.
 
  • #384
And why the bullet vest?? Heck if someone wanted you dead, they'd go for the head!

This whole thing just pisses me off, and makes me physically ill for the kids.

And you know what keeps me up at night??? If there's two like this, there's more!!! There's more out there just lying in wait for the chance to pounce. Sick MO@)SFSKDHtOW!!!
 
  • #385
:underbus: I need two of these :underbus:

Now, let the parents of these precious children be the driver. Done and done!!!

But Amish are much more forgiving than I am. Maybe I'll recruit some drivers to help me out. Just disgusting. Animals show more compassion. My Rotti has more compassion!! Heck, she tried to help raise pot belly piglets when they sow abandoned them!! Yup, just bury them under a jail. Build another jail right ontop of them, and forget they existed.

Trial or not, these folks are GUILTY!!! No one STEALS precious children, keeps them handcuffed, chained, don't feed them, etc., under ANY innocent means!!! GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

Anyone that even has thoughts of doing such, role playing or not, needs to go seek help NOW before you act on those feelings. It is NEVER, EVER ok to include VICTIMS into your sex life. NEVER! Stay away from the children, the animals, and anyone that is unwilling to be there. Do NOT make anyone a VICTIM!!! :tantrum:

Why don't aliens take THIS kind of thing??? :ufo:
 
  • #386
IHAVENOCLUE... I'll be needing one of your funny posts soon. Too many times I've had to clean my keyboard, and screen because of you. But I need it!! Go ahead, post one soon before I go bonkers on these perps!!!
 
  • #387
It's a confusing statement, but I believe what is meant by "search" here is when the search was on for the kidnappers, not the girls. It wouldn't make sense for NV to go into LE and confess, and then go back and help SH drop the girls off.

ETA: "During the hearing, Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe said he first spoke to the girls at 8 p.m. last Thursday night, when they were found. He said he first met Ms. Vaisey at approximately 4 p.m. Friday after she drove to the sheriff’s office in a red two-door Pontiac Sunfire."
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650

Thanks for clarifying that...

:seeya:
 
  • #388
(I went back to thread #1 to piece times together, which are a bit approximate)

7:20 PM Wed, Aug 13 - girls kidnapped

Overnight, Aug 13-14 - over 50 police officers join in search, 7 different agencies, border patrol & FBI, roadblocks set up in St. Lawrence and surrounding counties, Amber Alert

7:30ish PM Thurs, Aug 14 - girls dropped off on roadside; they make their way to Stinson's home

8ish PM, Thurs, Aug 14 - Stinsons return the girls to their parents:happydance:; 2 kidnapper still at large

10 PM, Thurs, Aug 14 - police & FBI have questioned girls; looking for 2 kidnappers, one wearing a toque & red Dodge Caliber

Noon, Fri, Aug 15 - DA Rains says, "we have directions from the young ladies on where to begin our search for these people"

Afternoon, Fri, Aug 15 - LE swarms property of SH & NV. Set up a roadblock, police tape around house, escort a red car from home

4 PM, Friday, Aug 15 - Nicole Vaisey (and also SH???) arrives at sheriffs office to turn herself in

8:50 PM, Fri, Aug 15 - DA Rains confirms arrests have been made in the kidnapping :jail:

thanks for this helpful timeline! :tyou:

(and ... I am glad you included one of the perps was wearing a toque... :newyear:... Or is it more like this: :lepsmilie: :giggle:)
 
  • #389
Just want to add a HUGE SHOUT OUT to the man and woman on the door of whom these girls knocked! Remember he drove them home and the oldest girl recognized the perps' vehicles when they passed SH's home. She ducked down.

I thought I read one of the girls recognized the car on the side of the road when they drove past. Is there a link anywhere that says they drove right past SH's home?

ETA just answering my own question and asking a few more. A google search reveals all the articles to say the girls ducked down in the back seat after they noticed the red car parked on the side of the road, just after the Stinsons were driving them home.

So, this brings up more questions for me:

Can the girls or the Stinsons remember exactly where that car was parked?
Near a driveway?
Why that area? Why were they dropped off THERE?
Does SH and/or NV know that area?
Do they have friends in that area?
Did any friends see them that night or at any time during the time they had the girls?

I suspect the answer to some of these questions may have something to do with the "more charges expected". All just speculation, guessing & MOO, of course.
 
  • #390
I'm extremely interested in knowing whether SH accompanied NV to the sheriff's headquarters, or just NV went on her own. It's hardly like she suddenly decided to come clean and hopped in her car and drove down to the station. The sheriff's deputies had already swarmed their house and property, and set up a road block on their road. They escorted the red car away from the property. So...it could be one of two scenarios. Maybe the deputies simply asked them to come on down to headquarters for questioning -- didn't read them their Miranda Rights or put them in the squad car because they wanted to see how much they'd share before being arrested and/or requesting a lawyer. Or, like you said, NV saw the handwriting on the wall, and decided that her best chance was to throw SH under the bus, and told the deputies she'd drive down there and talk.
:underbus:

ETA: Just came across this statement from DA Rains that SH apparently also gave some sort of confession:
"“I was delighted that he remanded them after reviewing the statements of both this defendant and the codefendant, Howells, because I think what he saw in those statements was indicative of their culpability,” Ms. Rain said. “I know that Mr. Riendeau has indicated that his client wasn’t very culpable and that she was a slave. Her statement and his statement defeat that defense.”
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140822/NEWS05/140829582

BBM, But how could she? Why would he allow her out of the house to go down and ' rat them out' ? Is she under his control or not? He wasn't much of a master and she 's not much of a slave if she left him on her own to go to the PD . She's not very afraid of him either if she did that. Hmmm
 
  • #391
Also I notice in her statement to LE , there is a glaring GAP . They tied them up and next thing she says they got scared and let them go. So nothing happened at the house to further victimize the kids? Or is that where she's a little light on the details because she was doing and / or witnessing things she cannot really explain away? Basically to hear her tell it , it sounds like they were almost immediately released after being restrained and yet we know that many , many hours went by.
 
  • #392
thanks for this helpful timeline! :tyou:

(and ... I am glad you included one of the perps was wearing a toque... :newyear:... Or is it more like this: :lepsmilie: :giggle:)

I don't think that's a proper toque. I'll leave it to the Canadians to set it straight, though. :)
 
  • #393
BBM, But how could she? Why would he allow her out of the house to go down and ' rat them out' ? Is she under his control or not? He wasn't much of a master and she 's not much of a slave if she left him on her own to go to the PD . She's not very afraid of him either if she did that. Hmmm

The police were already there, at the house, before she left.
 
  • #394
I thought I read one of the girls recognized the car on the side of the road when they drove past. Is there a link anywhere that says they drove right past SH's home?

ETA just answering my own question and asking a few more. A google search reveals all the articles to say the girls ducked down in the back seat after they noticed the red car parked on the side of the road, just after the Stinsons were driving them home.

So, this brings up more questions for me:

Can the girls or the Stinsons remember exactly where that car was parked?
Near a driveway?
Why that area? Why were they dropped off THERE?
Does SH and/or NV know that area?
Do they have friends in that area?
Did any friends see them that night or at any time during the time they had the girls?

I suspect the answer to some of these questions may have something to do with the "more charges expected". All just speculation, guessing & MOO, of course.

You're absolutely correct OM! I posted that incorrectly. I think I was thinking of the picture where the two cars were both parked facing the highway in front of SH's home - right by the highway. Correcting my post. Your questions are excellent. It's very odd concerning the drop-off and location of where the girls were dropped off - still a mystery I believe.
 
  • #395
The police were already there, at the house, before she left.

I read they were there and also that she drove to PD. I wasn't sure which version became fact. tks :)
 
  • #396
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650
FOWLER — The woman accused of abducting two Heuvelton sisters from a farm stand and sexually abusing them with her boyfriend appeared in Fowler Town Court for a preliminary hearing Thursday afternoon.

Nicole Vaisey, 25, and Stephen M. Howells II, 39, of 1380 County Route 21, Hermon, were arrested Friday and initially both charged with two counts of first-degree kidnapping with the intent to inflict physical injury or sexually violate or sexually abuse. Authorities allege the pair kidnapped the two Amish girls, ages 7 and 12, on Aug. 13. The girls were recovered 24 hours later when they were dropped off in the hamlet of Bigelow, near Richville, and asked a resident to take them home.

St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain said the charges were amended to second-degree kidnapping for the purposes of the hearing so the two girls would not have to testify. The sole witness at the hearing was Det. Sgt. Brooks Bigwarfe of the St. Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department.

Fowler Town Justice Paul Lamson ruled after listening to testimony from Mr. Bigwarfe that enough evidence had been presented to hold the felony count over for superior court action. Ms. Vaisey was sent back to the St. Lawrence County Jail without bail pending further court action.

Ms. Vaisey’s attorney, Bradford Riendeau, has asked the court to release his client from custody. He said she is a lifelong county resident and contended that she could be at risk of harm from fellow inmates if she remains incarcerated. He said she would stay with family members.

Mr. Howells’s attorney St. Lawrence County Public Defender Amy Dona, previously waived his right to the hearing. She attended the Fowler courtroom on Thursday afternoon as an observer.

The purpose of a preliminary hearing is to determine if a felony has been committed and if there is reasonable cause to believe the defendant committed that crime. The standards are much lower than at trial.

During the hearing, Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe said he first spoke to the girls at 8 p.m. last Thursday night, when they were found. He said he first met Ms. Vaisey at approximately 4 p.m. Friday after she drove to the sheriff’s office in a red two-door Pontiac Sunfire.

Mr. Bigwarfe said Ms. Vaisey gave a statement to him and signed it during their interview. According to the statement, she said she and Mr. Howells referred to the incident as a “shopping plan” and said he bought vegetables from the stand before coming up with the plan to kidnap the girls.

She said Mr. Howells tied a puppy, a golden retriever-Doberman mix, to the driver’s side in the back seat of the car so the girls would have to lean into the car to pet the dog. Mr. Howells had dropped his three children off with his ex at 6:30 p.m. the night of the kidnapping, and the pair arrived at the vegetable stand at Route 812 and Mount Alone Road outside Heuvelton a short time later after returning home to get the puppy, according to Ms. Vaisey’s statement.

She said Mr. Howells shoved the two girls in the car and she drove. She said their plan was to make the two girls their slaves.

Mr. Bigwarfe said Ms. Vaisey told him the girls were handcuffed together as in a three-legged race and cuffed to a bed in the couple’s upstairs bedroom for most of the time they were in captivity. She said the girls were allowed to get up to use the bathroom and eat.

Ms. Vaisey told investigators she and Mr. Howells were scared by media reports and opted to release the girls in an isolated area. She said she drove the couple’s white vehicle to check for roadblocks and Mr. Howells followed her a short time later with the two girls.

Mr. Howells had scouted the stand days before the abduction, according to her statement. He told Ms. Vaisey he had seen the girls that day and wanted to go back and get them, according to the statement she provided investigators.

Ms. Vaisey told police that when she approached the vegetable stand she parked under a tree out of sight, and Mr. Howells exited the vehicle and asked the girls if they wanted to get a little closer to the vehicle and pet the puppy.

She said one of the girls was getting nervous as Mr. Howells started forcing them into the vehicle and the girls started yelling. She said she sped away and headed back to their home in Hermon. She told investigators she backed up to the house and was about 30 feet away from their driveway.

Ms. Vaisey declined to testify at the hearing.

Mr. Riendeau, Ms. Vaisey’s attorney, has suggested his client was also a victim of Mr. Howells. He said Ms. Vaisey was involved in a “master-slave” relationship.

“She was the submissive one,” Mr. Riendeau said last week. “I am currently researching on what happens when prisoners of war go through enhanced interrogation. What torture has done to her personality to determine just how compliant she was? Was it really voluntary? Can you really give consent to be tortured?” he said.

Mr. Riendeau said the master-slave relationship began as soon as the couple met.

He explored that theory briefly at the hearing, and Mr. Bigwarfe indicated Ms. Vaisey had suggested she was Mr. Howells’s slave.

BBM: First of all, YES, there are those who give someone permission to another to do whatever they want, I've seen and heard it in the lifestyle. There are masochists that get off on abuse, etc.

Let me say here, I am not on that side of the lifestyle at all, I'm more of the 'Female Led' relationship. But that's not to say, I've not heard it all.

I have no idea what went on in this home, and between the two of them, but it's my opinion, from what I've read and seen online, she had a choice, and made it.

JMO .... MOOO and all that.
 
  • #397
The gross part about that pic of NV, suited up in vest and shackled, is she probably enjoyed it. imo.

Funny, but not so funny, as there are many in the lifestyle, that enjoy the "prison" fetish.

MODS: please let me know if I'm going into too much detail with my posts, as I don't want to cause any problems, I'm just trying to help others understand.

I'm going to alert on this post, just to be safe.
 
  • #398
Oh I am sure he did. There's most likely enough video evidence that will show exactly his place in this. Though, I certainly hope that whomever brings any BDSM into the courtroom educates themselves prior.

I almost wish I still lived in New York ... so I could 'educate' them on the lifestyle! UGH!
 
  • #399
Vaisey drove the red car from the residence, escorted by the police.
 
  • #400
I think you're likely not alone in that observation/feeling. I suspect her attorney has no idea what he's talking about, and likens whatever she's told him to what he understands about prisoners of war. Frankly I think he'd do well to read up on this kind of lifestyle before he opens his mouth. OR... or, he actually does know a little bit about the lifestyle and he's hoping for public sympathy to get his client off, or charges reduced somehow. All MOO.

I'm wondering here, if her attorney IS in the lifestyle, there is a place to find just that, professionals who live and/or understand the lifestyle, and will assist you, such as doctors, lawyers, etc.

Either that, or as you say, he'd better educate himself on it!
 

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