Found Deceased NY - Dr. Tamara Saukin, 44, Staten Island, 18 Nov 2020

[lonetraveler]

I have been thinking about this and see her as a very focused and intense individual who doesn't seem to have ever failed at anything, in fact has only excelled. Competitive figure skater, classical guitarist, physician, she didn't just do these things, she excelled at them. She has never been a failure in anybody's eyes.
She is also described as a caring, kind individual who worked hard at meeting other peoples needs.
I think she just snapped, and was not able to face her family or friends and just hit the streets.
I wonder if her missing poster is being distributed all over the Greater New York area homeless shelters and soup kitchens.
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MOO MOO MOO

She excelled at many things, I don't think she could face "failing", IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

double post

 

[PommyMommy]

NOV 30, 2020
Staten Island doctor missing for nearly two weeks; witnesses describe police activity in park where Dr. Tamara Saukin was last seen – Crime Online
[...]

CrimeOnline spoke to two witnesses who say they saw police activity in the park on Saturday afternoon, near Victory Boulevard not far from the ice skating rink. DG and KM, both Staten Island residents, said they saw multiple police vehicles and uniformed officers. One officer was seen carrying an item or items away from apparent search area, the witnesses said.

CrimeOnline cannot confirm if the reported police activity on Saturday was in connection to Saukin’s disappearance. The NYPD declined to answer our questions about the case and the witness accounts.

“There are no updates and the investigation remains ongoing,” an NYPD spokesperson wrote in an email.

[...]

 

[lonetraveler]

NOV 30, 2020
Staten Island doctor missing for nearly two weeks; witnesses describe police activity in park where Dr. Tamara Saukin was last seen – Crime Online
[...]

CrimeOnline spoke to two witnesses who say they saw police activity in the park on Saturday afternoon, near Victory Boulevard not far from the ice skating rink. DG and KM, both Staten Island residents, said they saw multiple police vehicles and uniformed officers. One officer was seen carrying an item or items away from apparent search area, the witnesses said.

CrimeOnline cannot confirm if the reported police activity on Saturday was in connection to Saukin’s disappearance. The NYPD declined to answer our questions about the case and the witness accounts.

“There are no updates and the investigation remains ongoing,” an NYPD spokesperson wrote in an email.

[...]

In this article the mother went back to THE car which makes me think that they were in the same car. I think if the mother went back to her car, it would have stated that. If this statement derived from her mother's words then I'm going with there was just one car. JMO

 

[Spider92]

I wonder how long Tamara had run her sole practice? It's probably completely irrelevant but I wonder if she considered selling her practice or inviting in another doctor to cover for her absence, assuming she thought it would be temporary? It may have been convenient for the patients to have a somewhat smooth transition to a doctor hand picked by Tamara. It would have benefitted her financially if that was at all afactor. And it may have made it easier for her to transition back to active practice once she resolved her issues. My GP-PCP quit his practice ten years ago, selling it to a younger doctor. It was easy for me - I just went to the same building, found I was comfortable with the new doc, and have been there ever since.
Shutting down an office, laying off the admin personnel, collecting on billings to insurance companies, negotiating the buy out of a lease and transitioning medical records to dozens of new doctors must have been stressful expensive and super depressing.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I wonder if family pressure to succeed was not her dream.

 

[Dre]

She excelled at many things, I don't think she could face "failing", IMO.

When you’ve only experienced being on an ever-upward trajectory, i fear that perceiving yourself in an unrelenting downward trajectory suddenly can push one over the edge. Success, happiness, failure are all relative and I think she couldn’t see herself fall any further
Moo

 

[ardean]

Welcome to Websleuths, @Sea Rider!

I’m sorry that it’s not under better circumstances.

Dr. Saukin’s story has touched many of us, even though we haven’t met her. She sounds remarkable.

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. We’re all hoping for the best and that she finds peace.

Thank you for the

Hi, I'm joining for this discussion after reading most of the posts and especially seeing the compassion and concern expressed for Dr. Saukin. I found the site while looking for updates.

I had been a patient of hers and can certainly confirm that she was an exceptional person. I have a lot of different thoughts so I'll just put them down the best I can.

I live on Staten Island and I found Dr. Saukin when I was looking for a nearby holistic doctor. She was listed as such. I didn't really find what I was looking for because she was a medical doctor and not a naturopath, but her sensibility was certainly more holistic. She took time talking to me and I mean she spent a lot of time with me and I am sure with all her patients. This was a few years ago and I went I think 4 times to her in a couple of years. The last time I went I left without seeing her because the wait was too long, she didn't rush people out, she spent time with them, answering all questions and trying to find solutions.

Two things I can also say -- she still had pain from her accident and she might have been on medication from it, I cannot say that for sure, but I know she still had pain and the accident was a huge thing in her life. The other thing is that she sympathized with my search for a holistic doctor and wanted to be that, and I think could have but I think she was under a lot of pressure to have a conventional practice and was overbooked. She didn't like the medical establishment and could understand why I didn't. She was open-minded and analytical, smarter and more caring than many other doctors.

Sorry to make this so long, but I also just want to say that I guess I'm afraid that maybe if she was walking with her mom she might have told her mom to go on ahead because she forgot something or even asked her mom to get something from the car and then she just might have taken off. I say it after knowing someone that got away from those who were watching over him so that he could end his life. I hope it's not true. I would like to think maybe she planned to meet someone and start a new life. But I get the feeling she was in a lot of pain physically and mentally, and having to close her practice was a tremendous loss. Knowing how she was with people I would imagine that it was excruciating to feel that she was letting them down. It was pretty shocking and bizarre to get that letter in the mail that she was closing it due to unforeseen circumstances, I had no idea what it could have meant.

Also, I would imagine that her mom must be so devastated that she probably has not been able to talk and maybe even blames herself. So that could be why the information about her mom being with her came out so much later.

These are just thoughts and I don't know what is true. And I can only pray.

The last thing I want to say is that the park is very big with a lot of different sections and from what I have seen there are a lot of hiding places. Plus I think some trails are linked to at least one of the Greenbelt trails, which means more wooded area to search, and other bodies of water.

I hope she is still alive and somehow will be able to heal.

Thank you for the insight. It is very relevant. This hits me in several ways as I have a group of medical issues no doctor seems to be able to figure out. I get the 5 minutes and overwhelm them. It is rare to have a doctor in this fast paced time who really works to find solutions. Sometimes the intelligence of a person would lend you to believe they wouldn't put others in danger by just going missing, via hiding and suicide, etc. It also is saddening knowing she had a family who was dealing with her issues from the outside. They probably knew what was going on and giving her space they thought she needed when really psychological help may have been required. Few really know how hard it is and how much time and effort it takes to become a medical doctor. Knowing you threw that away consciously or accidentally would have been very destructive. I can't imagine dealing with something like that alone or with potentially other destructive people downing her for that (not that I think that was happening). I hope she just ran off and is getting her mind right or figuring out a next chapter but I realize that possibility is slim now.

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder if family pressure to succeed was not her dream.

It is hard to know the answer to this without knowing them or her personalities or natures.
She is 44 and I'm still discussing her in the present tense without evidence of her demise from either murder or suicide.
A wee glimmer of hope still exists that she may have absconded or was kidnapped.
It's a reach but without confirmation directly from LE that she was endangered as well as missing the jury is still out on her mental status at the time of her disappearance.
We simply have no access to any of the info LE has in their possession.
They have a confidential tip line to work as well as conducting searches.
We are entering Day 13.
We know no more than we did on Day 1.
That feels really weird to me.
MOO
Edited typo

 

[lonetraveler]

When you’ve only experienced being on an ever-upward trajectory, i fear that perceiving yourself in an unrelenting downward trajectory suddenly can push one over the edge. Success, happiness, failure are all relative and I think she couldn’t see herself fall any further
Moo

Exactly.

 

[Rosiebones]

LE has said in MSM that there is no evidence of foul play. There is just speculation that it is suicide and to a much less degree, a walk-away. So, since she is an adult and can just walk away, why is LE still devoting such a high level of resources to an on the ground search. Although they don't say so, LE is devoting alot of time and resources to finding a body, and to me that is unusual. MOO MOO MOO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I hope the searchers are remembering to look up.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Although they don't say so, LE is devoting alot of time and resources to finding a body, and to me that is unusual. MOO

Quote RSBM.
Do you think it's unusual considering people have said she's not shown on the cameras exiting the park?
(Of course she still could have via a different route.)

 

[Rosiebones]

I hope the searchers are remembering to look up.

There has been no mention that she carried a backpack into the park (rope), unless that is something LE is holding back. Then, why have the expense of SCUBA divers and helicopters. I wish we knew why they engaged so quickly in looking at the shoreline and water. MOO MOO MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

NOV 30, 2020
Staten Island doctor missing for nearly two weeks; witnesses describe police activity in park where Dr. Tamara Saukin was last seen – Crime Online
[...]

CrimeOnline spoke to two witnesses who say they saw police activity in the park on Saturday afternoon, near Victory Boulevard not far from the ice skating rink. DG and KM, both Staten Island residents, said they saw multiple police vehicles and uniformed officers. One officer was seen carrying an item or items away from apparent search area, the witnesses said.

CrimeOnline cannot confirm if the reported police activity on Saturday was in connection to Saukin’s disappearance. The NYPD declined to answer our questions about the case and the witness accounts.

“There are no updates and the investigation remains ongoing,” an NYPD spokesperson wrote in an email.

[...]

Thanks for the article Pommy It says in this article that her mother went back to the car and Tamara wanted to continue walking.

Judging by her past dedication, commitments and compassion it makes me wonder if she would plan to do harm to herself knowing that her mother was in the car waiting for her. She would have plenty of time before/after their walk.

IDK, I just really hope she is found alive and safe. Tamara seems like a very accomplished and wonderful person. We just never know what's going on in someone's mind.

ETA: Was catching up on thread and saw others who mentioned this as well.

 

[steff13]

LE has said in MSM that there is no evidence of foul play. There is just speculation that it is suicide and to a much less degree, a walk-away. So, since she is an adult and can just walk away, why is LE still devoting such a high level of resources to an on the ground search. Although they don't say so, LE is devoting alot of time and resources to finding a body, and to me that is unusual. MOO MOO MOO

Maybe because of her outstanding legal trouble.

 

[ElementalLaura]

LE has said in MSM that there is no evidence of foul play. There is just speculation that it is suicide and to a much less degree, a walk-away. So, since she is an adult and can just walk away, why is LE still devoting such a high level of resources to an on the ground search. Although they don't say so, LE is devoting alot of time and resources to finding a body, and to me that is unusual. MOO MOO MOO

Speculation only: if she had her phone or any other traceable device on her, they may be zeroing in on a last known location?

It’s also an urban park, and they likely have a priority on locating any injured or deceased persons in the park or maybe identifying criminal activity. IMO.

Otherwise, your guess is as good as mine! I am glad that the response was rapid and seems to be ongoing.

 

[kittythehare]

NYPD Have just tweeted
https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/1333818544992231427?s=20

I'm wondering whether they believe she may still be alive?

 

[Rosiebones]

NYPD Have just tweeted
https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/1333818544992231427?s=20

I'm wondering whether they believe she may still be alive?

I'm thinking that with all their searching etc. they cannot prove she is dead. So, now what, do they keep searching?

 

[kittythehare]

I'm thinking that with all their searching etc. they cannot prove she is dead. So, now what, do they keep searching?

I don't know.
It's also possible they found evidence of a crime as per crimeonline post upthread. Unconfirmed.
But they are not saying.
We simply know nothing.
It's impossible to fathom whether this is a SAR op or a recovery op.
We know they are searching intensively.
That is all.