Found Deceased NY - Dr. Tamara Saukin, 44, Staten Island, 18 Nov 2020

  • #321
How hard this is for her mother, who went to wait in her car, for her to take a last lap. Only to know now that it was her permanently last lap. How does she ever get past this?
Nothing but unanswered questions now. How can pain and despair be that overwhelming?
 
  • #322
How hard this is for her mother, who went to wait in her car, for her to take a last lap. Only to know now that it was her permanently last lap. How does she ever get past this?
Nothing but unanswered questions now. How can pain and despair be that overwhelming?

Every year, more than 40,000 Americans commit suicide. And hundreds of thousands more are suicidal, but do not follow through. Some of those will seek treatment.

I'm glad to know that many people have never experienced or encountered such mental pain, but for those that do, suicide can definitely seem like the "way out." Mental illness is a real, biologically based illness and depression is very painful.

People who are also anxious, in addition to depressed, may be more likely to follow through with suicide...severe anxiety is really hard to tolerate...
 
  • #323
NYPD Detective, K9 'Timoshenko' share special bond

Hero dog K9 Timoshenko named for fallen NYPD Officer Russell Timoshenko, a Staten Islander, was the dog who alerted to the remains

ETA - NYPD has another K9 in honor of the officer as well, K9 Russell
 
  • #324
Where is the ice rink located within that frame, please Amanda?

the ice skating rink is a separate structure however it is right next to the water & also the basketball courts that have been previously mentioned - all are on the same side of the road
 
  • #325
the ice skating rink is a separate structure however it is right next to the water & also the basketball courts that have been previously mentioned - all are on the same side of the road
Is it likely they already searched that area at the beginning, do you imagine, as that is so close to where she was last seen?

Thanks.
 
  • #326
How hard this is for her mother, who went to wait in her car, for her to take a last lap. Only to know now that it was her permanently last lap. How does she ever get past this?
Nothing but unanswered questions now. How can pain and despair be that overwhelming?
I can understand the despair and the pain.
and I can understand the wanting to end it all.
What I do not know is whether this was a sudden impulse that she felt she absolutely had no choice but to follow through or a simple progression..
There was, of course, always the possibility that she had been attacked and that was the path I chose to pursue while searching, in as far as it is possible to search from the other side of the world...
Suicide is almost an epidemic worldwide.
Violent suicide is indicative of great despair, particularly if autopsy shows she died by breath control on a freezing cold morning in November following a healthy walk...in shallow water.
That took some willpower and strength to follow through
 
  • #327
Is it likely they already searched that area at the beginning, do you imagine, as that is so close to where she was last seen?

Thanks.
I know they searched that area but idk if they searched w/ the k9's.
Sadly, she was found close to the shoreline, in somewhat shallow water , her phone and cash were still with her. If this isn't allowed to share, please delete w my sincerest apologies. This is per a family member who is NYPD & although she's not on the team searching, she has personally spoken to the lead detective - terribly, terribly tragic.
Deepest condolences to all who loved her, may she RIP
 
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I read the saddest story last week about a k9 getting shot in a police vehicle. His handler was devastated.
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i believe i also read that sad story - K9 Timoshenko is a legend here in NY, especially Staten Island
 
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So much this. That’s why I get so frustrated when people seem to refuse to believe that a MP committed suicide. Especially when it’s kind of glaringly obvious imo

My older brother was a very successful nurse, loved by patients, colleagues, and pretty much anyone he ever crossed paths with. At some point he sunk into a deep depression and addiction. He ended up moving back in with my parents, where he ultimately ended up overdosing and dying. My mom was the one who found him. His death was ruled an accidental overdose, but I have my doubts. Sometimes I think there’s no way he would ever commit suicide in a place where my mom could find him, because they were extremely close. But depression, mental illness, and addiction can take over your mind and life. He was in such a dark place. My mom hasn’t been the same since he died. I really feel for her mom. Hopefully in the future her mom can feel some semblance of comfort knowing that Tamara is no longer suffering.
Just an alternate perspective:
  • I was hospitalized as a minor and the medical staff thought I was trying to kill myself based on my blood alcohol and wanted to transfer me to a mental hospital. I was not suicidal at all. At all. But I was very depressed. And drank that night to escape, but not permanently. I would be HORRIFIED if anyone convinced my family I meant to take my own life. I did not!
  • My dear friend was put on the wrong medication for bipolar and entertained thoughts of suicide for the first time. She also gained weight the only time in her life. She swears up and down it was not her. It was the drug. Brain chemicals. I have known her for decades through Everything. I believe her. She is thankful that she survived this “lobotomy” as she calls it. She is thankful she stopped this poisoning from taking her life and insists she was not suicidal. FWIW.

  • It’s complicated. I am so sorry for this Doc and her family. It’s a really hard time right now. (Heart broken)
 
  • #332
i believe i also read that sad story - K9 Timoshenko is a legend here in NY, especially Staten Island
She was known to have a love for dogs.
I think maybe that when her spirit is freed that she will take joy that it was a 4-legged that brought her home.
Especially a K9.
Just a feeling, speculating.
 
  • #333
Just an alternate perspective:
  • I was hospitalized as a minor and the medical staff thought I was trying to kill myself based on my blood alcohol and wanted to transfer me to a mental hospital. I was not suicidal at all. At all. But I was very depressed. And drank that night to escape, but not permanently. I would be HORRIFIED if anyone convinced my family I meant to take my own life. I did not!
  • My dear friend was put on the wrong medication for bipolar and entertained thoughts of suicide for the first time. She also gained weight the only time in her life. She swears up and down it was not her. It was the drug. Brain chemicals. I have known her for decades through Everything. I believe her. She is thankful that she survived this “lobotomy” as she calls it. She is thankful she stopped this poisoning from taking her life and insists she was not suicidal. FWIW.

  • It’s complicated. I am so sorry for this Doc and her family. It’s a really hard time right now. (Heart broken)

I'll counter that with stories of cases where severely depressed and suicidal patients got much better on the right meds (which are not "poisons.")

There is definitely some experimentation to see what works. Bipolar is very hard to treat and often mistaken for depression, which requires different meds. It sounds like your dear friend received an antipsychotic (commonly given to bipolars in their manic phase) and it apparently does feel like a "lobotomy" especially at first.

OTOH, for some patients, it's the only option if they want to get out of the locked ward...but in the best scenarios, the patients are in fact supervised and given a chance to try various medications.

Unfortunately, some substances (like alcohol) can kill you if you take enough, whether or not you were actually suicidal. That's part of what's driving the opioid epidemic and its self-slaughter (most people who die of opioid overdoses weren't planning to die - but the behavior is still considered suicidal, just like drunk driving...suicidality is a scale, and sadly it doesn't have to be completely conscious).

Depression and anxiety are often worse in the morning, especially if it's major depression. It's so hard for family members to supervise an adult with severe depression, which is how I picture Dr. Saukin. Chronic pain and major depression are also strongly associated.
 
  • #334
Sometimes it is because you cannot face what you know you will hear every stinking day of your stinking life, from people who love you.
 
  • #335
Just an alternate perspective:
  • I was hospitalized as a minor and the medical staff thought I was trying to kill myself based on my blood alcohol and wanted to transfer me to a mental hospital. I was not suicidal at all. At all. But I was very depressed. And drank that night to escape, but not permanently. I would be HORRIFIED if anyone convinced my family I meant to take my own life. I did not!
  • My dear friend was put on the wrong medication for bipolar and entertained thoughts of suicide for the first time. She also gained weight the only time in her life. She swears up and down it was not her. It was the drug. Brain chemicals. I have known her for decades through Everything. I believe her. She is thankful that she survived this “lobotomy” as she calls it. She is thankful she stopped this poisoning from taking her life and insists she was not suicidal. FWIW.

  • It’s complicated. I am so sorry for this Doc and her family. It’s a really hard time right now. (Heart broken)

You nailed it Girl.
There is actually no way to know until you know absolutely.
Now we know, but we don't know absolutely.
And even when we know absolutely, we still all perceive it through our own unique filters.
Ultimately all we can ever do is take a guess at where her filters were at.

Respect to you Dr Tamara Saukin, in Spirit.
 
  • #336
I'll counter that with stories of cases where severely depressed and suicidal patients got much better on the right meds (which are not "poisons.")

There is definitely some experimentation to see what works. Bipolar is very hard to treat and often mistaken for depression, which requires different meds. It sounds like your dear friend received an antipsychotic (commonly given to bipolars in their manic phase) and it apparently does feel like a "lobotomy" especially at first.

OTOH, for some patients, it's the only option if they want to get out of the locked ward...but in the best scenarios, the patients are in fact supervised and given a chance to try various medications.

Unfortunately, some substances (like alcohol) can kill you if you take enough, whether or not you were actually suicidal. That's part of what's driving the opioid epidemic and its self-slaughter (most people who die of opioid overdoses weren't planning to die - but the behavior is still considered suicidal, just like drunk driving...suicidality is a scale, and sadly it doesn't have to be completely conscious).

Depression and anxiety are often worse in the morning, especially if it's major depression. It's so hard for family members to supervise an adult with severe depression, which is how I picture Dr. Saukin. Chronic pain and major depression are also strongly associated.
Pharmaceuticals can fix chemical problems no doubt.
Yes and my dear friend mentioned just this week it was an anti psychotic added to her usual meds that caused her problems as you suggested. And one that is heavily advertised as a supplement to the usual meds. She feels strongly she lost a year and a half of her life to this drug.

We both feel feel defensive of others where it’s suggested they were suicidal - because we know it’s not necessarily really the intention or even their own brain chemicals directing this! but we are certainly thankful for the drugs that ARE the right fit.
 
  • #337
She was known to have a love for dogs.
I think maybe that when her spirit is freed that she will take joy that it was a 4-legged that brought her home.
Especially a K9.

Just a feeling, speculating.
BBM, that is a very beautiful thought
 
  • #338
Ohhh man! Just came to check for any new updates. This is so heartbreaking :( Rest in peace Dr. Saukin. Peace and comfort to the Saukin family.
 
  • #339
Very sorry for the family. Thanks for the authorities not giving up.
 
  • #340
I was afraid of this news. Poor Dr. Saukin. She sounded amazing. I feel for her family, especially her mother who was with her just moments before...
 

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