NY NY - East Islip, WhtFem 15-23, UP11774, in shallow grave, ring w/ D.E.C, clog shoe, belt, 2 April 1978

[snooptroop88]

Am seeing that "DEC" is/was? used as a maker's mark, possibly of Curtis Jewelry Manufacturing Co. Inc, Providence RI, which made sterling and gold-filled jewelry. First used 1950. Is that what it is in this case? No idea would have to see it, but maybe.

Seeing their jewelry was produced into the 1960s. Some say it's "dce," others "dec." On the clasp for the necklace there, that does look like "dec."

 

[Beekarina]

Am seeing that "DEC" is/was? used as a maker's mark, possibly of Curtis Jewelry Manufacturing Co. Inc, Providence RI, which made sterling and gold-filled jewelry. First used 1950. Is that what it is in this case? No idea would have to see it, but maybe.
View attachment 650620View attachment 650621Seeing their jewelry was produced into the 1960s. Some say it's "dce," others "dec." On the clasp for the necklace there, that does look like "dec."

I found this!
How to Identify Curtis Rings
If you have a ring you believe is a Curtis piece, look for these specific markings on the inside of the band:

• "DCE": The most common hallmark for Curtis Jewelry Manufacturing Co., used officially starting in 1950.
• "CC": Often used for the Curtis Creations line (sometimes appearing as "CC" inside a circle or on a small hand symbol).
• "DEC": A variation of the manufacturer's mark found on various pieces from the mid-century era.
• "Curtman": Some early pieces may be signed with the full "Curtman" name or "Curtis Creations".
  

 

[Beekarina]

This is interesting. Apologies if it was mentioned earlier in the discussion and I somehow missed it. I do not remember reading there was another woman found in the same park in 1986. I was just searching to see if there was a photo of the ring, and came across this:

The Heckscher State Park Murders

Could Two Women Found Murdered in the Park Been Slain by the Same Killer

coldconnecticut.substack.com

Then in June of 1986 another murdered woman was found in the same park. This time she was identified. The victim was 26-year-old Patricia Costello of Brentwood.

At around 5 or 6 p.m. a horseback rider found Patricia’s body near a bridle path 200 feet from the shoreline of the bay.

Patricia was nude except for a piece of clothing that had been wrapped around her neck and looped around the low lying branch of a nearby tree, in what police theorized was an attempt to make her death appear to be a suicide.

 

[Beekarina]

I'm thinking more too, how her she has the broken clavicle on one side, and what could be a rib injury on the other. I wonder if we are looking for someone who was in a car accident a few years prior? There could be other explanations, more than one event, etc. but maybe something else we can research?

 

[Beekarina]

ugh have any of you been locked out of NAMUS? I tried to unlock my account without success. Not sure what is going on?

 

[snooptroop88]

This is interesting. Apologies if it was mentioned earlier in the discussion and I somehow missed it. I do not remember reading there was another woman found in the same park in 1986. I was just searching to see if there was a photo of the ring, and came across this:

The Heckscher State Park Murders

Could Two Women Found Murdered in the Park Been Slain by the Same Killer

coldconnecticut.substack.com

Then in June of 1986 another murdered woman was found in the same park. This time she was identified. The victim was 26-year-old Patricia Costello of Brentwood.

At around 5 or 6 p.m. a horseback rider found Patricia’s body near a bridle path 200 feet from the shoreline of the bay.

Patricia was nude except for a piece of clothing that had been wrapped around her neck and looped around the low lying branch of a nearby tree, in what police theorized was an attempt to make her death appear to be a suicide.

Yep, and both victims had something (reports do clash on this, though) around the neck. I believe this 1978 Doe is said by some sources to have had a leather belt around her neck (looking at one such report right now). Patricia Costello eight years later had a piece of clothing wrapped around her neck. These cases could be strongly connected.

So this has got to tap into why Tierney's "zeroing in" on this case. It's older, it may hold answers and probably in some way relate to the RH cases. But how, exactly, since it is so much older, and I find it difficult to believe 12yo RH was out slaughtering? So tried going in again to see if I could find a couple of more possible matches on this, with this "dec" info on the ring, which may be completely irrelevant. Checked Rhode Island first and spread outwards in the region back into NY.

Lynda Joan Hanley, Pawtucket RI, 23yo 5'1" 120lbs Nov 1971, brown leather coat & white boots

Lynda Joan Hanley – The Charley Project

She got a call while she was at a tavern in Pawfucket from an unknown male and left. Her car was later recovered in the Holiday Inn parking lot in South Attleboro MA. She hasn't been seen since she left the tavern. While it's interesting, I can't picture this Doe who had that clog/sandal being murdered in November; however, with the hotel in the mix, it could still be possible. I don't see how RH could be involved at 8yo. (Would also wonder on the Irondequoit Doe as a match for Lynda because of white buttons found with that Doe and what looks like it may be a match on the teeth.)

Mary C. Robinson, 22yo, June 10 1976 Rochester NY 5'2" 115lbs auburn hair, possibly wearing a silver ring; the "DEC" on the Doe's ring may be a maker's mark for sterling silver jewelry.

https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/mp-main.html?id=4487dfny

Was a sex worker, making it more likely victim could somehow have moved into LISK's orbit. There's an overturned conviction in this case. Mary remains missing.

Also, starting to move into listings that might coincide with the 08 06 1972 numbers/dates RH used on his fake emails because that date does fall within this Doe's projected range for date of death. Mary Robinson's date comes close on mo/day. Here are some cases where the DLC hovers around 8/6/1972:
Barbara Hilton, Montrose IL, wearing sandals, 23yo Aug 4 1972 Barbara Ann Hilton – The Charley Project
Georgia Allen, missing from Holiday Inn Lake Jackson TX 23yo Aug 6 1972 The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Charlotte Loomis, Eatentown NJ 14yo Sept 1 1972 (travel involved) Charlotte Jean Loomis – The Charley Project
Sherry Jones, Greer SC, 24yo Sept 1 1972 (Greer SC is an hour and a half from Chester SC, where RH had purchased land)

https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/mp-main.html?id=3296dfsc

There is an image online of Charlotte Loomis that shows her blonde hair almost looking black, very dark brown. I don't know if that photo is verified, but if that's a legitimate photo, she just looks very much like the Doe to me. The only photo I have of her that's verified is more blonde, but I would say a darker stranwberry blonde.

Kathy Wilcox 15yo last seen July 1972 in Otsego MI looks quite a lot like this Doe, jmo, Kathy on left, Doe on right:

While it's a long drive to NYC from Otsego, it's a pretty direct one via I-80.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Beekarina]

As far as we know, no one associated with him was ever found to have been violent, right? He never said anything about it since being arrested? I remember posting about his father dying in the mid 1970s. I agree killing at 8, 12, etc all seems so far fetched as to be absurd, but maybe he was abused by someone, witnessed something locally and it impacted the murders he committed later in life? Just brainstorming. It is probably unrelated, and just bad luck with multiple predators out on Long Island.

 

[Beekarina]

Charlotte Loomis' case has always interested me. It feels like one where the last people to see her know more than they let on? Charlotte did have a previously broken arm. Normal enough, but since you suggested her, I wonder if she may have also had a broken collarbone? Or any other injuries left out of her write up? That is, what was the cause of the broken arm, and when did it happen?

I have seen a very blurry 1973 yearbook photo from Michigan which people say is Charlotte Loomis. That seems possible to me if the actual photo was taken earlier, OR if the actual date and place of her disappearance is wrong. I could see either being correct as her case has always felt messy to me. If that is the image you mean, I have never seen a cleaned up version. I cannot even begin to make out facial features and the copies I have found are not high enough quality for me to clean up with the limited tools I have. If you want to PM me, would be interested.

 

[snooptroop88]

As far as we know, no one associated with him was ever found to have been violent, right? He never said anything about it since being arrested? I remember posting about his father dying in the mid 1970s. I agree killing at 8, 12, etc all seems so far fetched as to be absurd, but maybe he was abused by someone, witnessed something locally and it impacted the murders he committed later in life? Just brainstorming. It is probably unrelated, and just bad luck with multiple predators out on Long Island.

Wondering the exact same thing, seriously. Don't know that he witnessed it, but got wind of it somehow.

 

[snooptroop88]

Charlotte Loomis' case has always interested me. It feels like one where the last people to see her know more than they let on? Charlotte did have a previously broken arm. Normal enough, but since you suggested her, I wonder if she may have also had a broken collarbone? Or any other injuries left out of her write up? That is, what was the cause of the broken arm, and when did it happen?

I have seen a very blurry 1973 yearbook photo from Michigan which people say is Charlotte Loomis. That seems possible to me if the actual photo was taken earlier, OR if the actual date and place of her disappearance is wrong. I could see either being correct as her case has always felt messy to me. If that is the image you mean, I have never seen a cleaned up version. I cannot even begin to make out facial features and the copies I have found are not high enough quality for me to clean up with the limited tools I have. If you want to PM me, would be interested.

That's the same pic, right, and I can't even tell if it's her. I don't see how you could blow that image up because it's blurry to begin with. If it were her, it's creepy that her hair photographs that dark because it would make me more wonder if she's the Doe. The only verified pic I've seen of Charlotte is pretty blonde, fairly dark blonde, but still blonde enough where I'd find it hard to believe anyone would label it "brown." Gonna paste the image in here/blonde, verified image:

Charlotte Jean Loomis – The Charley Project

 

[Beekarina]

I asked AI to clean up the yearbook image found here Charlotte Loomis: Leaving on a Jet Plane

And also the image of Charlotte pasted above and found on Charley Project, etc. Charlotte's case is really odd, but I'm not sure how I feel about her as this UID. Not impossible, as NJ is not far. She might have had a broken collarbone instead of the arm. The date of death and age could both be slightly off--or we have Charlotte joining the biker gang or someone else for awhile? I think some foul play by her sister/sister's husband seems a bit more likely though?

Anyway, this is what AI churned out. Just for something to consider. Caveat that it is far from perfect and I can personally not make out any features from the yearbook photo. It is black and white so while I agree her hair does look a little dark, I think the entire image is a blurry mess lol.

 

[snooptroop88]

I asked AI to clean up the yearbook image found here Charlotte Loomis: Leaving on a Jet Plane

And also the image of Charlotte pasted above and found on Charley Project, etc. Charlotte's case is really odd, but I'm not sure how I feel about her as this UID. Not impossible, as NJ is not far. She might have had a broken collarbone instead of the arm. The date of death and age could both be slightly off--or we have Charlotte joining the biker gang or someone else for awhile? I think some foul play by her sister/sister's husband seems a bit more likely though?

Anyway, this is what AI churned out. Just for something to consider. Caveat that it is far from perfect and I can personally not make out any features from the yearbook photo. It is black and white so while I agree her hair does look a little dark, I think the entire image is a blurry mess lol. View attachment 651070

Totally agreed on the yearbook photo, I couldn't make out any features at all, but did notice the hair looked really dark compared to these images. And as far as I know, you can have a broken collar bone without knowing it, I mean... I don't know if that's true, but when I google, it says yup, you may have it and not know it. To this day, I'm pretty sure I had a fractured rib way, way back when, I just kept an eye on it and let it heal.

There are so many MPs that kind of resemble that Doe's sketch. I tend to think this Doe is a listed MP, might be wrong.

I'm wondering why Tierney honed in so much on this particular case, and figuring he's got to be looking for pretty significant LISK connection. I keep thinking of that 8/6/1972 with RH's fake emails. And it might actually be 6/8/1972 because military, international... they often put the day first instead of the month.

My fear would be that he just changed the year to align with a realistic fake birth date for himself. So the 1972 may mean nothing at all. Maybe it was '82 or '92, he can't realistically use such a year setting up fake accounts. But maybe there really is something really going back that far, something he was interested in, involved in... who knows?

Do think Charlotte looks like her. The image on the left might actually be "light brown," so "brown" on the hair. And the 8/6... that might not be the DLC, that might be the date the killer spotted her, made initial contact with her...