NY - Eutisha Rennix, 25, & fetus die as EMT dispatchers refuse to help, 9 Dec 2009

[mom2six]

Wow, how strange a followup!

As part of my doula training and midwifery apprenticeship I took the professional level CPR course. I was told as part of the course that as long as I had professional level certification, I was legally responsible to aid anyone that needed assistance. I can't believe that the individuals in the original article would be legally prevented from giving what aid they could in the event of an emergency.

 

[5stars]

This update was either payback or bad karma.

 

[angelwngs]

Police also say that they see no connection with Jason Green's murder this past weekend being a revenge killing for Green and his girlfriend/partner EMT ignoring a pregnant employee and her baby, both died in Dec 2009.
"It's karma, but it wasn't planned. It wasn't anyone retaliating," a police source said.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ow_motorist_on_soho_street.html#ixzz0uDw1Ywfe




Gunman still on the loose.

 

[angelwngs]

"It's karma, but it wasn't planned. It wasn't anyone retaliating," a police source said

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ow_motorist_on_soho_street.html#ixzz0uDxN2aUd

 

[Soulmagent]

A very unprofessional comment for a police source to make. True or not.

 

[Kat]

I have a hard time with the Karma statement made in the link above.

I don't know why it just doesn't sit well with me. It's as if the person is saying that it's a comeuppance or justified for his actions or behavior involving the poor woman who died and her baby too.

I dunno. He was still being investigated and charges hadn't been brought forth as of yet. For me, the man facing his charges for her death and her baby's death and his punishment would have been karma.

Nevermind me, I'm just feeling a bit off today. But for some reason this man being shot in the face and it being described as karma didn't sit well with me.

JMHO.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I have a hard time with the Karma statement made in the link above.

I don't know why it just doesn't sit well with me. It's as if the person is saying that it's a comeuppance or justified for his actions or behavior involving the poor woman who died and her baby too.

I dunno. He was still being investigated and charges hadn't been brought forth as of yet. For me, the man facing his charges for her death and her baby's death and his punishment would have been karma.

Nevermind me, I'm just feeling a bit off today. But for some reason this man being shot in the face and it being described as karma didn't sit well with me.

JMHO.

I agree - the karma talk is spiteful and unneccessary. If taken to its logical conclusion of being used this way, perhaps the EMT was right not to help the woman, as perhaps she "deserved to die," as well. (I certainly don't believe that, but if you believe certain people deserve bad things, then why worry about what happens to anyone?)

On a professional note as a religious studies specialist (though my specific field is not in Eastern traditions), it also bugs me that this word has become so pop, and is not used correctly - in Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism, karma is the spiritual residue of all actions, good and bad, and actually directs your reincarnation in the afterlife, which results from the karma your lives have accrued - it does not normally determine whether you get shot in the face trying to park your car.

And I would like to remind people that taking joy in the suffering of others is also likely to affect your own karma - and not in a good way.

MOO.


ETA: I don't mean to sound like a jerk here - I just think it's dangerous when people take pleasure in the misfortune of others.

 

[DBinMA]

I don't think believing in the concept of "what comes around goes around" or the concept of karma (in it's commonly misused form) is the same as taking pleasure in someones bad fortune. I think it's a common way to justify the otherwise senseless things we see. I certainly don't take pleasure when something bad happens to someone but I'm certainly not surprised when I hear about someone who has been less than warm and fuzzy having something bad happen.
IF this EMT was the kind of guy that was more concerned about how this medical situation would affect him rather than saving a life, well I'm certainly not surprised that he would scuffle over a parking spot.... but I take no joy in either situation.

 

[Melanie]

Hmm......this story lacks details and is somewhat inconsistent.

There is a difference between EMT's and paramedics in skill level. Add to that, the huge disparity from them being actual medics of either type or dispatchers who have never cared for patients in a hands on manner.

With no equipment, one of the few things they could do would be CPR. If she was seizing a big portion of that time you are even more helpless.

While they may not have broken any laws.....it sounds like their actions and attitudes may have been seen as callous and uncaring. And for that....the court of public opinion needs no laws.

I, too, find the article misleading. If 911 was called, what else could they have done in light of not having any equipment? If she required CPR that's one thing, but the article said "she fell ill". Perhaps they weren't aware of how ill she was. If this woman wasn't breathing and they were trained in CPR, it would absolutely wrong for them not to do anything.

I would just pray that if I was in need of help, there would be caring people nearby to help me.

MOO

Mel

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Cleared of Official Misconduct

"The Brooklyn EMT who callously refused to help a dying pregnant woman because she was on her coffee break saw her official misconduct charge dropped today after EMS chief Abdo Nahmod — who initially supported the case against her — flip-flopped, leaving frustrated Brooklyn prosecutors no choice but to dismiss the case."

"Melisa Jackson, 27, was in uniform and on-duty when she snuck away from her dispatcher job at FDNY headquarters in downtown Brooklyn in December 2009 to meet her EMT boyfriend in a nearby Au Bon Pain. But when pregnant Eutisha Rennix, 25, had a serious asthma attack, Jackson wouldn’t even walk into the back room to look at her."

"Outside court Jackson refused to apologize to the Rennix family or accept any responsibility — and said she would do the same thing again."

“I had no type of equipment to render aid, because I worked inside of a dispatch center behind a computer,” Jackson maintained – even though she never even stepped into the back room to see what type of help was needed."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...ial_misconduct_ignored_VdDS3QE9XQZTqIkwGFP5tK