GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

[StasiaUK]

But if this juror was asked about his abuse and he was honest in his answer, could this still cause problems. OH why can't jurors just not give interviews.

I think it’s more that he’s quoted as saying that it helped inform his decision to find her guilty. Which in itself could be an issue MOO. I’m hoping he did declare it at selection.

 

[BUF]

But if this juror was asked about his abuse and he was honest in his answer, could this still cause problems. OH why can't jurors just not give interviews.

Oh I agree @grammieto5 !!!
I know we all want to know how deliberations went, but I hate when they give interviews.

 

[PrairieWind]

But if this juror was asked about his abuse and he was honest in his answer, could this still cause problems. OH why can't jurors just not give interviews.

If he was honest and disclosed past abuse, then its ok. But if he did not disclose it, we have a problem. The fact that he is coming forward so quickly with an interview is suspicious. I don't know what is going to happen here.

 

[StasiaUK]

If he was honest and disclosed past abuse, then its ok. But if he did not disclose it, we have a problem. The fact that he is coming forward so quickly with an interview is suspicious. I don't know what is going to happen here.

Ah I feel a tiny bit better. BUT what if he disclosed the abuse but then the following question IIRC was along the lines of if yes, would it effect your decision in this case more, the same or less? And he’s then announced in MSM being a victim himself is what informed his decision? Could this be a problem? Or am I reading too much into it because I’m an over thinker?

ETA: MOO

 

[Gardenista]

He'd have to be pretty dumb to have lied during jury selection and then tell all in an interview.

 

[PrairieWind]

But if this juror was asked about his abuse and he was honest in his answer, could this still cause problems. OH why can't jurors just not give interviews.

If he was honest and disclosed past abuse, then its ok. But if he did not disclose it, we have a problem. The fact that he is coming forward so quickly with an interview is suspicious. I don't know what is going to happen here.

 

[mickey2942]

Well. Even if this verdict is set aside, GM won't be set free, the government will just file again, and have another trial. This really doesn't matter much for GM. She will just be in her "suite" longer.

I saw this same issue with a trial in Florida, for a DUI for millionaire Polo player, John Goodman, who has nothing but pour money into lawyers and trials.

"John Goodman Wins New Trial in DUI Manslaughter Case | Law Offices Of Robert David Malove" John Goodman Wins New Trial in DUI Manslaughter Case

 

[minusfour]

Tricky- numerically it is much more likely that a group of twelve people contains as least one person who has been sexually abused, and a jury is meant to be a group of peers. But a fair trial and jury is so important. Urgh, I hope this isn't a problem.

 

[RickshawFan]

Hmm, is having a victim of sexual abuse on a jury for sex trafficking an appellate issue? Did the juror disclose this during selection? If I had been a defense attorney, that question would have been a huge flag for dismiss!

They'd not be able to seat a jury without a sex abuse victim.... there's too many out there.
I'm not sure why a sex abuse victim would automatically vote based on their survivor status, either.

 

[RickshawFan]

Ghislaine Maxwell 'could file for mistrial' after juror reveals he suffered childhood sexual abuse

The link is behind a paywall but it gives the preview of what we all expect is about to come any day now…MOO

A third of the jury (any jury!) likely suffered from child sex abuse, for gosh sake. This is nuts! There's no reason why a sex abuse survivor would vote one way or the other in this case. For instance, they didn't vote to convict on the Jane count.
IMO you only have to worry about sex abuse history of a juror if you're guilty.

 

[RickshawFan]

I think it’s more that he’s quoted as saying that it helped inform his decision to find her guilty. Which in itself could be an issue MOO. I’m hoping he did declare it at selection.

We wouldn't say conversely that a non-sex-abused juror was wrong to use their experience and judgment, so this argument seems very strange.

And GM's defense questionnaire seemed to want to get at not just a potential juror's sex abuse experience, but also significant others. That's, like, everyone!

 

[tayaway]

Here are the stats for sexual abuse in America, via NSVRC

81% of women and 43% of men reported sexual harassment or assault. Only 25% of sexual assaults and rapes were reported in 2018. False reports range from 2 to 10%. 24.8% of American men have been victims of physical sexual assault.

Do what you will with these stats.

 

[Ontario Mom]

He'd have to be pretty dumb to have lied during jury selection and then tell all in an interview.

Unfortunately, WS exists because there is no shortage of dumb people who do stupid (and usually evil too) things and then think they can get away with it.

I'd like to think that this is not the case, with this juror.

jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

BBC criticised for giving Ian Maxwell airtime to defend sister Ghislaine

The BBC has faced further complaints over its coverage of GM’s conviction for recruiting and grooming teenage girls after interviewing her brother, Ian Maxwell on Radio4’ flagship news programme. He made the case for her innocence, casting doubt on the testimony from victims. He said while the trial had heard “heart-rending testimonies”, his view was “that Ghislaine had nothing to do with it”. Who cares what his view is. The jury found her guilty on 5 of the 6 charges and it’s now time for her to pay the piper.

Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor for north-west England, tweeted, “How is it that those supporting the convicted child sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell are being given air time on national media?” In another tweet he wrote, “I cannot understand why #r4today is providing a platform for family and friends of Ghislaine Maxwell to proclaim her innocence and undermine the jury’s verdicts. Is this service to be made available to all convicted sex offenders?”

He also had this to say:

https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1476873565538553857

“Now that Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of selling children for sexual abuse, don’t you think we should investigate whom she sold the children to?

I don’t want to hear another word about how tragic her life is, only want to hear about the devastation caused to victims”.

I agree with all his comments 100%.

I agree 1000%

 

[Spartygirl]

Yes that is true. To support your claim, rather thsn get off topic, my single mother was thrilled by it starting when I was raped at 16 by a local celebrity . She thought my looks were my “best asset”.

I am so sorry that happened to you. YIKES

 

[Spartygirl]

Exactly. And GM, had an opportunity to tell the jurors, personally, her side of the story, from her perspective. GM chose not to use that opportunity. She could have confronted her accusers, and completely shut down their stories...oh, except, they were all telling the truth!

And her arrogance --she thought the prosecutors did not have enough evidence against her. LOL
Ghislaine Maxwell, declaring prosecutors didn’t prove anything, says she won’t testify
Ghislaine Maxwell won’t take stand as defense case rests | Miami Herald

 

[Spartygirl]

Well well well… After reading that, if what he’s quoted as saying is true, it sounds as if he was biased and had decided GM was guilty before he even went in do you agree? I’m hoping I’m wrong, but this could be a huge spanner in the works MOO

Well, crap !!!
I sure hope this doesn't turn the tables.

 

[mickey2942]

Here are the stats for sexual abuse in America, via NSVRC

81% of women and 43% of men reported sexual harassment or assault. Only 25% of sexual assaults and rapes were reported in 2018. False reports range from 2 to 10%. 24.8% of American men have been victims of physical sexual assault.

Do what you will with these stats.

Truth. And it is generally a very personal matter. Even if someone had been sexually abused, it is unlikely that every single person who had been abused would even disclose this very personal information on a jury selection form.

If this juror, had been asked about prior abuse, hopefully it had been disclosed and adjudicated by the attorneys. The problem will be if it was asked, directly, and not disclosed.

The other potential issue...is possible jury tampering? Nothing should be off the table if this becomes an appellate issue.

 

[StasiaUK]

A third of the jury (any jury!) likely suffered from child sex abuse, for gosh sake. This is nuts! There's no reason why a sex abuse survivor would vote one way or the other in this case. For instance, they didn't vote to convict on the Jane count.
IMO you only have to worry about sex abuse history of a juror if you're guilty.

Completely understand that, it’s the fact he’s stated that being a victim himself is what caused him to find her guilty.

 

[StasiaUK]

Truth. And it is generally a very personal matter. Even if someone had been sexually abused, it is unlikely that every single person who had been abused would even disclose this very personal information on a jury selection form.

If this juror, had been asked about prior abuse, hopefully it had been disclosed and adjudicated by the attorneys. The problem will be if it was asked, directly, and not disclosed.

The other potential issue...is possible jury tampering? Nothing should be off the table if this becomes an appellate issue.

Exactly this! If disclosed, as an attorney said, no problem, if not then we have a problem!

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To clarify, I’m looking at it from a legal point of view not a “he’s an abuse victim so he shouldn’t be there” point of view. I’m pretty sure most of us here want GM to stay in jail. MOO