GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

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Adam Klasfeld
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Judge Nathan is addressing this letter now, saying it was filed in the "wee hours."

The prosecutor urges against any change. She says it was a "thorough and carefully considered" legal instruction.

There's nothing wrong with referring them to the correct legal instruction, which was the jury charge they received before deliberations.

Judge Nathan notes that the defense's jury instruction addresses Count Two—which the jury didn't ask about.

She also says the defense's final proposed instruction is "just wrong"; jurors can consider conduct outside of New York in deciding on conduct in New York, she says.

Judge Nathan also puts on the record that COVID infections are rising "astronomically" in New York, in explaining the need for extending deliberation an hour.
 
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How long before we start today?
 
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Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports


Judge Nathan is addressing this letter now, saying it was filed in the "wee hours."

The prosecutor urges against any change. She says it was a "thorough and carefully considered" legal instruction.

There's nothing wrong with referring them to the correct legal instruction, which was the jury charge they received before deliberations.

Judge Nathan notes that the defense's jury instruction addresses Count Two—which the jury didn't ask about.

She also says the defense's final proposed instruction is "just wrong"; jurors can consider conduct outside of New York in deciding on conduct in New York, she says.

Judge Nathan also puts on the record that COVID infections are rising "astronomically" in New York, in explaining the need for extending deliberation an hour.
Judge Nathan /Jury...She can explain it to them, but she can't understand it for them.
 
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One of the big three cable networks, this morning, has been reporting extensively on the trial.
 
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The jurors have clearly demonstrated as a unit, they are their own boss. If they want to recess for the day at 4 p.m., I believe they will. (even if Judge Nathan wants them to deliberate until 6 p.m.) In my opinion, the jury dislikes being pressured.

I also believe had the jury not been permitted to go home each day this would have wrapped up a lot sooner. It’s getting ridiculous.
 
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The jurors have clearly demonstrated as a unit, they are their own boss. If they want to recess for the day at 4 p.m., I believe they will. (even if Judge Nathan wants them to deliberate until 6 p.m.) In my opinion, the jury dislikes being pressured.

I do understand where the judge is coming from though to be honest. Over here Omicron is literally every where.
 
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I also believe had the jury not been permitted to go home each day this would have wrapped up a lot sooner. It’s getting ridiculous.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this only day 4 of deliberations? And the first day wasn't a whole day?
 
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I also believe had the jury not been permitted to go home each day this would have wrapped up a lot sooner. It’s getting ridiculous.
It's a complicated case, and although I'm eager to see an outcome...I'll take slow and thorough. I was doing a little homework on statute of limitations in NY, and I'm unclear as to whether the victims could proceed with a class action civil suit against her given timelines. Any Barrister's please weigh in with your interpretation. TIA.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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The first day was like only about a half hour…after closings and jury instructions.

I think I read somewhere (before today started) they have deliberated 24 hrs.

When you add the time up and see 24 hours, it's really not a lot of time for such a big case.
 
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When you add the time up and see 24 hours, it's really not a lot of time for such a big case.

Out of curiousity the defence lawyer is complaining that the Judge is trying to get them to come to a decision quicker. Could they use that as a reason for an appeal?
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this only day 4 of deliberations? And the first day wasn't a whole day?
Yes, and considering the number of charges, number of victims and complexity of jury instructions...add in the days off which require memory refreshing, it is understandable the jury needs plenty of time to make an informed decision.
 
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Judge at Ghislaine Maxwell trial warns ‘astronomical’ surge in NYC COVID cases could disrupt proceedings

Maxwell appeared to be smiling when she entered the courtroom at 9:48 a.m. wearing black on black, her green folio tucked under her arm.

As a prosecutor disputed her defense’s latest argument about instructions to the jury regarding how to debate one of the charges, Maxwell sat back and threw her right arm over the back of her chair, exuding an air of resignation.

The alleged chief recruiter of Jeffrey Epstein’s teenage victims said something inaudible to her siblings before a Marshal escorted her back to the holding cells behind the courtroom walls.
 
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No demonstrated remorse, just a cocky presentation throughout this case.

We don't like that woman, eh?
 
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Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

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As the jury still deliberates in the Maxwell case, Prince Andrew tries to stave off Virginia Giuffre's civil lawsuit by arguing that the U.S. court may not have jurisdiction. The prince is attacking Giuffre's ties to Colorado, claiming she's "actually domiciled in Australia."
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^^^^^^ A whimper from PA? Interesting timing. To our UK friends: Have you seen recent reporting in your press on this?
 
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