NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #5

[RickshawFan]

Personally, I would learn sign language. But, unfortunately, I will never have hours of free time to study, read and learn foreign languages, because I have to work every day.

Ghislaine Maxwell should be mopping floors 8 hours a day. JMO. And too exhausted every night to work on learning new languages.

That’s a great idea about sign language. I still like your idea of Spanish. It might actually get you somewhere in prison, unless you went full-on snooty and memorized Saint Teresa’s “Way of Perfection.” Delusions, much.

Doing boring stuff like mopping floors often gives me creative ideas. GM might not be creative, though. And I’ll bet she figures out how not to work.

Appealing the verdict seems NUTS to me. Odds are, she’ll be convicted again, and she’ll have to be in that hell hole for months more, when she could be in the much more upscale surroundings of a fed prison, even though she’s not eligible for the camps because she’s a sex offender. She could also get started on her sentence.
She’s still gonna get flashlights in her face every 15 minutes in fed prison, though, correct? And she’s still gonna have to clean her own toilet… Why do I get so much joy….

 

[Dotta]

Ghislaine Maxwell should be mopping floors 8 hours a day. JMO. And too exhausted every night to work on learning new languages.

Mopping floors and listening to audio course of foreign language on headphones means combining "pleasure with usefulness"

 

[Kemug]

Obviously they had the yacht...i would say a lot of holidays would be spent around the Spanish Islands so would pick it up.

Plus the Greek islands, so she probably has some Greek.

 

[UK Girl]

That’s a great idea about sign language. I still like your idea of Spanish. It might actually get you somewhere in prison, unless you went full-on snooty and memorized Saint Teresa’s “Way of Perfection.” Delusions, much.

Doing boring stuff like mopping floors often gives me creative ideas. GM might not be creative, though. And I’ll bet she figures out how not to work.

Appealing the verdict seems NUTS to me. Odds are, she’ll be convicted again, and she’ll have to be in that hell hole for months more, when she could be in the much more upscale surroundings of a fed prison, even though she’s not eligible for the camps because she’s a sex offender. She could also get started on her sentence.
She’s still gonna get flashlights in her face every 15 minutes in fed prison, though, correct? And she’s still gonna have to clean her own toilet… Why do I get so much joy….

Considering the juror said they couldnt come to a decision til he persuaded them...i totally understand why she is going for a retrial and something else...its possible she could get transferred to a prison over here maybe.

 

[tayaway]

[SBM] and something else...its possible she could get transferred to a prison over here maybe.

She's lived in America as a naturalized citizen for 30 years so why would she be granted a treaty transfer to the UK?

 

[Dotta]

because she’s a sex offender. She could also get started on her sentence.
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Is she the only sex offender in this terrible case?
Where are those to whom she trafficked the minor girls?
To take advantage of a crime is also a crime, no?

Besides, I never knew that people who ask for a retrial should be called "delusional".
I always thought it was their lawful right.

 

[Forest_Wood]

that was some months ago yes Met decision to drop Prince Andrew inquiry ‘no surprise’, says ally | Prince Andrew | The Guardian

Does it come as “no surprise” because of lack of evidence or because it’s difficult to hold members of the RF accountable? IMO.

“Despite pressure from the media and claims of new evidence, the Met have concluded that the claims are not sufficient to warrant any further investigation. The duke has always vigorously maintained his innocence and continues to do so.”

*edited

 

[Forest_Wood]

Well, since, INMO, she already qualifies as being "insane", meaning completely ignorant of her criminal behavior and the affects of her actions on others, learning Russian isn't what she should focus on. She needs a complete understanding of her sociopathy, and Borderline Personality Disorder. An immersion training program in Dialectical Behavior Training (DBT) would probably be more appropriate.

Of course, that would require insight to her criminal behavior. Zero potential for rehabilitation here. INMO.

I would rather see GM as mentally healthy as possible so she will comprehend the charges and verdict against her by her peers. I don’t believe counselling/therapy is even provided to those who are awaiting trial in jail vs the prison system? I don’t imagine she has many options in her predicament to keep her mind sharp. imo.

 

[UK Girl]

Does it come as “no surprise” because of lack of evidence or because it’s difficult to hold the RF accountable? IMO.

“Despite pressure from the media and claims of new evidence, the Met have concluded that the claims are not sufficient to warrant any further investigation. The duke has always vigorously maintained his innocence and continues to do so.”

I can imagine several reasons why the Met didnt take it forward to be honest. Apart from anything else I know its been rumoured that they spoke to VG but...did she ever go to the police here and say she actually wants him charging in a criminal court? has she actually done that in America even? Over here many cases of rape and sex cases never make it to court let alone ones from twenty years ago. The CPS will only take it to court if theres a good chance of conviction...given that like it or not...there have been discrepancies at times...I get why they havent gone ahead but like I said...has she ever formally actually put a complaint in to our cops?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I can imagine several reasons why the Met didnt take it forward to be honest. Apart from anything else I know its been rumoured that they spoke to VG but...did she ever go to the police here and say she actually wants him charging in a criminal court? has she actually done that in America even? Over here many cases of rape and sex cases never make it to court let alone ones from twenty years ago. The CPS will only take it to court if theres a good chance of conviction...given that like it or not...there have been discrepancies at times...I get why they havent gone ahead but like I said...has she ever formally actually put a complaint in to our cops?

There seemed to be statute of limitations involved with VG’s filing criminal charges against GM (and possibly JE too) so I’m not certain if that came into play with a criminal case against PA. MOO

 

[UK Girl]

There seemed to be statute of limitations involved with VG’s filing criminal charges against GM (and possibly JE too) so I’m not certain if that came into play with a criminal case against PA. MOO

I honestly have no idea how it works there but for eg Bill Cosby and even Weinstein I assume had to be from decades ago also?

 

[Dotta]

I would rather see GM as mentally healthy as possible so she will comprehend the charges and verdict against her by her peers. I don’t believe counselling/therapy is even provided to those who are awaiting trial in jail vs the prison system? I don’t imagine she has many options in her predicament to keep her mind sharp. imo.

I understand that there are people who would like to see her chained to the wall howling madly.

But hey, we have already left Middle Ages.

Learning a new language keeps mind on "its toes".
Good!

 

[UK Girl]

I agree with your comment if I am understanding it correctly

Shes been convicted and will be in there the rest of her life maybe or for a long time at least. Yes I am sure she will be given a prison job but if she wants to learn a language or something like that assuming the article is correct I suppose I dont see the issue. Everyone needs something to occupy their minds sometimes whereever they are.

 

[RickshawFan]

Plus the Greek islands, so she probably has some Greek.

Yes, I would think at least a smattering, although that might not be the case now, and in that circle.

 

[RickshawFan]

Is she the only sex offender in this terrible case?
Where are those to whom she trafficked the minor girls?
To take advantage of a crime is also a crime, no?

Besides, I never knew that people who ask for a retrial should be called "delusional".
I always thought it was their lawful right.

So we're clear, there was no "delusional" juxtaposed with trial, retrial, guiltiness, not guiltiness....

This is the wording, responding to @mickey2942 . The context is Saint Teresa of Avila, a 16th century Spanish nun who was given to self-flagellation in her quest for perfection. She wrote the "Way of Perfection".
"I still like your idea of Spanish. It might actually get you somewhere in prison, unless you went full-on snooty and memorized Saint Teresa’s “Way of Perfection.” Delusions, much."

 

[Dotta]

So we're clear, there was no "delusional" juxtaposed with trial, retrial, guiltiness, not guiltiness....

This is the wording, responding to @mickey2942 . The context is Saint Teresa of Avila, a 16th century Spanish nun who was given to self-flagellation in her quest for perfection. She wrote the "Way of Perfection".
"I still like your idea of Spanish. It might actually get you somewhere in prison, unless you went full-on snooty and memorized Saint Teresa’s “Way of Perfection.” Delusions, much."

Context is everything

 

[RickshawFan]

I would rather see GM as mentally healthy as possible so she will comprehend the charges and verdict against her by her peers. I don’t believe counselling/therapy is even provided to those who are awaiting trial in jail vs the prison system? I don’t imagine she has many options in her predicament to keep her mind sharp. imo.

I'm 100% with you on wanting her to fully integrate what she's done. I'm not sure she'd get counseling or therapy in fed prison, though, in the sense we'd think. It's perhaps more along the lines of persuading the inmate to face reality and explore their effect on victims. I also don't believe it would be effective unless you're honest with yourself and others.
There are sex offender programs (IIRC one that is 24/7 towards the end of a long sentence), but I'm not sure about for women.

Here are the sex offender treatment programs: BOP: Sex Offenders

 

[Kiranerys]

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Such a talented international financial asset, wasted by Epstein on sex fetishes.

I'm sure she put her talents to good use to further Epstein's fortune. I can imagine being a talented linguist would come in handy to broker deals with foreign nationals using humans as a commodity just as well as it would for any other kind of business transaction.

 

[Dotta]

I'm sure she put her talents to good use to further Epstein's fortune. I can imagine being a talented linguist would come in handy to broker deals with foreign nationals using humans as a commodity just as well as it would for any other kind of business transaction.

But the problem is "good" versus "bad" use of gifts given by Fortune

 

[Kemug]

Re the possibility of bringing Ghislaine to an understanding of her wicked behaviour - many years ago, I read a book (yes, really ). I can't remember the slightest thing about it now, except for this: someone asked a child what they thought would be a good punishment for a man who had committed a certain crime, and the child's reply was that the man be turned into a good person. Thus he would experience great remorse and guilt for the rest of his life. Interesting.