NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

[tayaway]

Warden Of Prison That Ghislaine Maxwell Has Accused Of Mistreatment Has Been Arrested For Allegedly Murdering Her Husband

Hopefully she'll be held there.

 

[Natch]

Warden Of Prison That Ghislaine Maxwell Has Accused Of Mistreatment Has Been Arrested For Allegedly Murdering Her Husband

That headline seems quite misleading. It's actually an "associate warden". This might be someone without a high rank, despite the "warden" word.
I'm irritated at the clickbait here. Many women who murder their husbands are victims of domestic violence.

 

[tayaway]

Daily Mail Aug 7

Virginia Roberts Guiffre has until next Saturday to file a lawsuit against Prince Andrew for alleged sexual encounters (on instructions from JE and GM) in 2001 when she was 17. Will she file?

 

[Legally Bland]

PRINCE Andrew has been advised by the ex-lawyer of rapist Harvey Weinstein.

The news emerged last night as sex accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre threatens to sue the royal.

Blair Berk, 57, known for solving stars’ legal scrapes, was consulted by representatives of the Duke of York, 61, The Sun can reveal.

Prince Andrew advised by Weinstein's ex-lawyer as accuser threatens to sue

 

[tayaway]

PRINCE Andrew has been advised by the ex-lawyer of rapist Harvey Weinstein.

The news emerged last night as sex accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre threatens to sue the royal.

Blair Berk, 57, known for solving stars’ legal scrapes, was consulted by representatives of the Duke of York, 61, The Sun can reveal.

Prince Andrew advised by Weinstein's ex-lawyer as accuser threatens to sue

I'm sorry, but they need to fire PA's PR team. BBM shows what leaped out of the article at me.

Blair Berk, 57, known for solving stars’ legal scrapes, was consulted by representatives of the Duke of York, 61, The Sun can reveal.

She was hired by shamed film mogul Weinstein in 2017 before he was jailed for rape and sex assault following a string of #MeToo claims by film actresses.

Ms Berk has also worked for Kanye West, Lindsay Lohan and acted for Mel Gibson after he unleashed an anti-Jewish tirade when stopped by traffic cops.

It is not known if she is still working on Andrew’s behalf.

 

[sds71]

Epstein Accuser Sues Prince Andrew, Citing Sex Assault at 17

complaint:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.1.0.pdf

 

[Kemug]

That headline seems quite misleading. It's actually an "associate warden". This might be someone without a high rank, despite the "warden" word.
I'm irritated at the clickbait here. Many women who murder their husbands are victims of domestic violence.

True, but sometimes it's the other way round.

 

[tayaway]

Yahoo Aug 10 (sorry, The Telegraph's original article is behind a paywall): GM to PA's rescue! She'll gladly testify to PA's character if VRG's lawsuit goes to trial, but first, will GM be a credible witness?

 

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Yahoo Aug 12 (sorry, the original Times of London article is paywalled):

Prince Charles believes that Prince Andrew has no hope of returning to public life after the sexual assault allegations made against him, The Times of London reports.

An unnamed source close to the prince told the publication that Charles believes Virginia Roberts Giuffre's lawsuit has caused "unwelcome reputational damage to the institution."

The nerve of that Virginia woman, how dare she! No, Chucky, more like your bro, Randy Andy, caused the thorn in The Firm's side.

 

[mickey2942]

LOL "Randy Andy". He went into hiding after his disastrous "denial" show. Who ever put that together should have been fired. Now, everything he said in that show can be used as testimony.

Prince Andrew’s BBC Interview About Jeffrey Epstein Was a Disaster

 

[Estelle]

I don't think there is a problem with the age of consent.

VR was 17 with her first encounter with PA in London. The age of consent was 16yo. I read that she was paid $15,000.

The second encounter was in New York when she was 17 where the age of consent was 17yo and she was paid $400.

So why does her lawyer carry on about her being under 18yo? PA has never been charged with rape so it must have been consensual.

VR stayed with Epstein and Maxwell for four years if she suffered so much and even asked Maxwell to be her surrogate when she married and wanted to have a baby? VR's parents must have approved as she was with Epstein from the ages of 16-20yo and had the photo taken of herself with PA to show off to her mother.

 

[Kemug]

It's delicious, isn't it? GM and PA vouching for each other's good character!

 

[Legally Bland]

I don't think there is a problem with the age of consent.

VR was 17 with her first encounter with PA in London. The age of consent was 16yo. I read that she was paid $15,000.

The second encounter was in New York when she was 17 where the age of consent was 17yo and she was paid $400.

So why does her lawyer carry on about her being under 18yo? PA has never been charged with rape so it must have been consensual.

VR stayed with Epstein and Maxwell for four years if she suffered so much and even asked Maxwell to be her surrogate when she married and wanted to have a baby? VR's parents must have approved as she was with Epstein from the ages of 16-20yo and had the photo taken of herself with PA to show off to her mother.

In the UK I don't think it's as straightforward as that. Laws on Child Sexual Exploitation (inc. trafficking) class a child as under 18. Andrew could be guilty if it can just be shown he was involved in arranging VR's travel.

2 Human trafficking

(1)A person commits an offence if the person arranges or facilitates the travel of another person (“V”) with a view to V being exploited.

(2)It is irrelevant whether V consents to the travel (whether V is an adult or a child).

(3)A person may in particular arrange or facilitate V’s travel by recruiting V, transporting or transferring V, harbouring or receiving V, or transferring or exchanging control over V.

(4)A person arranges or facilitates V’s travel with a view to V being exploited only if—

(a)the person intends to exploit V (in any part of the world) during or after the travel, or

(b)the person knows or ought to know that another person is likely to exploit V (in any part of the world) during or after the travel.
​

(5)“Travel” means—

(a)arriving in, or entering, any country,

(b)departing from any country,

(c)travelling within any country.
​

(6)A person who is a UK national commits an offence under this section regardless of—

(a)where the arranging or facilitating takes place, or

(b)where the travel takes place.
​

(7)A person who is not a UK national commits an offence under this section if—

(a)any part of the arranging or facilitating takes place in the United Kingdom, or

(b)the travel consists of arrival in or entry into, departure from, or travel within, the United Kingdom.
​

Modern Slavery Act 2015​

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It also blurs the lines on consent.

Consent in Child Sexual Exploitation cases
In cases involving the alleged grooming of vulnerable complainants such as youths, apparent consent to sexual activity may not amount to consent in law. In these circumstances determining whether to select; consensual or non-consensual offences may be complex.

[...]​

In cases involving the alleged grooming of vulnerable complainants such as youths, apparent consent to sexual activity may not amount to consent in law. In these circumstances determining whether to select; consensual or non-consensual offences may be complex.

When reviewing cases of child sexual exploitation, prosecutors must consider:

• The age and maturity of the complainant especially in relation to the suspect;
• The history of the relationship between complainant and suspect;
• The presence of any other vulnerability of the complainant such as a learning disability;
• The existence of grooming through the provision of gifts, alcohol, insincere compliments, apparent security, a more exciting way of life, attention and false promises;
• The provision of alcohol and drugs and the effect on the complainant;
• The use and/or threat of violence and intimidation;
• The use of other means of control such as emotional or situation control.

Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 6: Consent | The Crown Prosecution Service​

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I think the bolded ones could be applicable, from VR's complaint:

C. Defendant’s Sexual Abuse of Plaintiff

36.Prince Andrew abused Plaintiff on separate occasions when she was under the age of 18 years old.

37.On one occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff in London at Maxwell’s home. During this encounter, Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew forced Plaintiff, a child, to have sexual intercourse with Prince Andrew against her will.

[...]

41.During each of the aforementioned incidents, Plaintiff was compelled by express or implied threats by Epstein, Maxwell, and/or Prince Andrew to engage in sexual acts with Prince Andrew, and feared death or physical injury to herself or another and other repercussions for disobeying Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew due to their powerful connections, wealth, and authority. Case 1:21-cv-06702 Document 1 Filed 08/09/21 Page 9 of 15

42.During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew acted with intent to compel Plaintiff’s submission.

43.Prince Andrew engaged in each of the aforementioned sexual acts with Plaintiff at Epstein and Maxwell’s invitation, knowing that she was a sex-trafficking victim being forced to engage in sexual acts with him.

44.During each of the aforementioned incidents, Plaintiff did not consent to engaging in sexual acts with Prince Andrew.

45.During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew knew Plaintiff’s age based on communications from Epstein and Maxwell. 46.During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff for the purpose of gratifying his sexual desires.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Prince-Phillip-sexual-assault-lawsuit.pdf​

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[Disclaimer: I'm not sure what the exact wording of the laws was back in 2000-2002, PA would definitely have a case to answer if it happened today.]

 

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A U.S. judge on Friday rejected Ghislaine Maxwell's bid to dismiss her sex-trafficking indictment, which the longtime associate of Jeffrey Epstein claimed was justified by the recent overturning of Bill Cosby's 2018 sexual assault conviction.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/MaxwellAug13order.pdf

Ghislaine Maxwell loses bid to dismiss sex trafficking indictment, despite Cosby claim

 

[tayaway]

Still unsure where to post the PA updates, so ...

The Sun Aug 14

One of JE's former employees, Steve Scully, is ready to testify about PA/VRG if VRG's legal team asks him to.

ETA: Daily Beast Aug 12 Suddenly, VRG's lawsuit encourages the Met to 'review' the allegations against PA.

England’s most senior police officer revealed Thursday that a new review of the sexual-assault allegations against Andrew has been launched by London’s Metropolitan Police, and she warned the prince: “No one is above the law.”

 

[RickshawFan]

VR stayed with Epstein and Maxwell for four years if she suffered so much and even asked Maxwell to be her surrogate when she married and wanted to have a baby? VR's parents must have approved as she was with Epstein from the ages of 16-20yo and had the photo taken of herself with PA to show off to her mother.

Snipped for focus

IMO it's important to tread warily when grooming, manipulation, and coercion are in the picture. Women generally—and perhaps VR in particular—are often made complicit in their victimization. But sometimes what looks like complicit behavior is actually survival behavior.
There's also the matter of Stockholm syndrome.
Whether or not VR's parents approved? This was a teenager. How would it not be problematic under the law to send your young daughter off—with your express permission—with middle-aged men and their middle-aged fixer? Their failure to protect their daughter... I feel for their child.

 

[Estelle]

I just found this:

But states not only differ in their approach on how to operationalize these functions, but also on who is eligible to be considered for “safe harbor” and who makes the decisions. For example, some states provide protections only to minors who are victims of sex trafficking and not to prostituted minors. Other states provide complete immunity* from prosecution for prostituted minors, while others do not. Furthermore, the cut-off age for who is a juvenile varies—in some states it is 16, in others it is 18 (Geist, 2012).

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/grants/253146.pdf

 

[Estelle]

US lawyer Spencer Kuvin, who represents several of convicted paedophile financier Epstein's victims, suggested that Andrew's legal team may claim the duke - who was a trade envoy in 2001, when Ms Giuffre claims he raped and sexually abused her - had diplomatic immunity.

He told the Mirror: 'Ms Giuffre's lawyers have huge barriers to overcome to get her lawsuit anywhere near a jury. If the Duke engages in the case at all, his legal team will undoubtedly file a motion to dismiss the complaint on numerous different grounds. For sure, they would argue diplomatic immunity. They would have a strong case.'

Prince Andrew's lawyers 'will say he has diplomatic immunity over sex abuse lawsuit' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

One of the alleged assaults took place in London when she was 17. In that jurisdiction, she was considered over the age of consent. The other two alleged attacks happened in New York and the US Virgin Islands where she would have legally been a child.

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[mickey2942]

Is there only a picture of them together, and her statement that she was "sex trafficked" to him? He has emphatically denied that he had sex with her. A picture doesn't mean that he slept with her.

Aside from VG's statement that Prince Andrew raped her, is there any other evidence that this occurred? Is it "he said, she said"?