NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

[Luna20]

50% of what? If PA owns nothing and earns nothing, what will VG get in a lawsuit? It is akin to suing some loser who lives in his Mama's basement. PA is pretty much the world's biggest loser.

I looked up PA's net worth, $45 million. That surprises me, and I bet, that his assets have been removed from him, he also receives about $400,000 a year from his Mama. It wouldn't surprise me, if stealth he has been putting things in his daughters names, giving them gifts of cash.

VG may win...but PA may not be a golden egg.

It’s going to be difficult to prove that they had a sexual relationship. Logs may show travel, etc but he already admitted he was friends with JE.

 

[tayaway]

It’s going to be difficult to prove that they had a sexual relationship. Logs may show travel, etc but he already admitted he was friends with JE.

PA also stated he's never met VRG before: "It didn't happen. I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever," he told BBC Newsnight. The BBC refers to the famous 2001 photo of PA with his arm around VRG's waist at GM's London home.

According to Lolita Express pilot, David Rodgers, in a court deposition, PA and VRG were on the same 2 flights he piloted. The revelation marks the first time allegations emerged that both Andrew and Virginia were on Epstein’s jet at the same time.

Multiple witnesses, including Steve Scully, who allegedly saw PA groping VRG by the poolside, and Shukri Walker, who claims she saw them together at the Tramp club in London.

If any of these accounts (and others) are proven true, it'll be a knock to PA's credibility.

 

[Luna20]

PA also stated he's never met VRG before: "It didn't happen. I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever," he told BBC Newsnight. The BBC refers to the famous 2001 photo of PA with his arm around VRG's waist at GM's London home.

According to Lolita Express pilot, David Rodgers, in a court deposition, PA and VRG were on the same 2 flights he piloted. The revelation marks the first time allegations emerged that both Andrew and Virginia were on Epstein’s jet at the same time.

Multiple witnesses, including Steve Scully, who allegedly saw PA groping VRG by the poolside, and Shukri Walker, who claims she saw them together at the Tramp club in London.

If any of these accounts (and others) are proven true, it'll be a knock to PA's credibility.

He definitely lied. He was busted on the photo of them together but unless someone has photos on the sexual charges it will be tough to prove.

 

[Estelle]

PA also stated he's never met VRG before: "It didn't happen. I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever," he told BBC Newsnight. The BBC refers to the famous 2001 photo of PA with his arm around VRG's waist at GM's London home.

According to Lolita Express pilot, David Rodgers, in a court deposition, PA and VRG were on the same 2 flights he piloted. The revelation marks the first time allegations emerged that both Andrew and Virginia were on Epstein’s jet at the same time.

Multiple witnesses, including Steve Scully, who allegedly saw PA groping VRG by the poolside, and Shukri Walker, who claims she saw them together at the Tramp club in London.

If any of these accounts (and others) are proven true, it'll be a knock to PA's credibility.

Just because a witness claims that he saw PA groping VRG at the poolside does not prove that they ever had a sexual relationship. What does the witness mean by "groping"? What type of "groping" could be done at the poolside. Apparently this witness is a disgruntled ex-employee so his evidence could be considered suspicious. The only person who could verify whether PA and VGR ever had sex would be GM.

PA has lied and this is now his problem. Did his lawyers advise him to deny everything? If I had been his lawyer, I would have advised him not to deny that he had been in VGR's company but that they had never had sex.

 

[tayaway]

Just because a witness claims that he saw PA groping VRG at the poolside does not prove that they ever had a sexual relationship. What does the witness mean by "groping"? What type of "groping" could be done at the poolside. Apparently this witness is a disgruntled ex-employee so his evidence could be considered suspicious. The only person who could verify whether PA and VGR ever had sex would be GM.

PA has lied and this is now his problem. Did his lawyers advise him to deny everything? If I had been his lawyer, I would have advised him not to deny that he had been in VGR's company but that they had never had sex.

Sorry for the confusion, the example of the groping witness was used only to show that PA has indeed met VRG before, which questions PA's credibility.

Yes, I agree completely with you on how PA's legal team needed to handle it - sure, he'd crossed paths with VRG at JE parties, but nothing ever happened, yadda yadda... He's made a grievous mistake in denying her acquaintance. Many famous people, for various reasons, have handlers and PR teams, so who let him do that interview? Not that I am putting any of the blame for his PR train wreck on anyone but him, but wow...

 

[mickey2942]

People lie all of the time, and don't go to prison. PA can state he doesn't remember.

My assumption is that the case will move forward through the courts, and there are several potential outcomes, PA is a "no show" and stays tucked away in a place where he can refuse any demands to show up for court. VR gets a "win" for "no show" PA. And can try to collect.

PA's handlers decide to address this prior to court, and settle this mess with a big check and confidentiality clause.

PA shows up, denies everything, V gets a win. PA shows up, denies everything, V loses.

Have I misses anything?

The wildcard here is GM, could she be used as part of this? Could the state of NY put in charges of statutory rape?

 

[tayaway]

People lie all of the time, and don't go to prison. PA can state he doesn't remember.

My assumption is that the case will move forward through the courts, and there are several potential outcomes, PA is a "no show" and stays tucked away in a place where he can refuse any demands to show up for court. VR gets a "win" for "no show" PA. And can try to collect.

PA's handlers decide to address this prior to court, and settle this mess with a big check and confidentiality clause.

PA shows up, denies everything, V gets a win. PA shows up, denies everything, V loses.

Have I misses anything?

The wildcard here is GM, could she be used as part of this? Could the state of NY put in charges of statutory rape?

Daily Beast Aug 20

This article sheds a bit of light on the PA/Mummy relationship. As soon as the lawsuit dropped, he ran behind Mummy's skirt:

Andrew bolted for Balmoral, the 1856 gothic fantasy of a castle in Scotland, where the queen traditionally retreats for the entire month of August (and a few weeks either side for good measure) to unwind.

Andrew’s flight to Scotland speaks eloquently to his mother’s indulgence of the man often described as her favorite son. Indeed, the queen went above and beyond the requirements of maternal duty, ordering her solicitors to warn British media outlets not to take or publish photos of any royals or their guests at the castle, as The Daily Beast exclusively revealed this week.

MOO: It appears he's never had to grow up and take responsibility and that's partly why he's damaged his own credibility. His actions are like that of a toddler. His legal team stonewalling VRG's lawyers and giving "zero cooperation" with American authorities shows behavior akin to a sullen adolescent treating his parent to the silent treatment.

More MOO: It doesn't matter how the case washes out, they can't extradite him to the US and if by some miraculous conclusion, the Am authorities get the UK to pressure him to pony up some money, Mummy will discreetly slip it into his pocket.

GM! Almost forgot about her, and it's her thread! Whether she flips on other players in the JE trafficking ring, IMO, it's doubtful she'll say a peep about PA.

 

[JDG]

There were pictures taken and published last week, of PA, his ex wife and Eugenie, her husband and baby arriving at Balmoral for ‘family vacation’ with the Queen.

The RF is always at Balmoral in the summer, seem to take it in turns to stay with the Queen. Not sure that counts as ‘bolted’. lol

PA won’t appear in an American court, perhaps he will have to pay for American lawyers though, as well as UK lawyers.

 

[tayaway]

There were pictures taken and published last week, of PA, his ex wife and Eugenie, her husband and baby arriving at Balmoral for ‘family vacation’ with the Queen.

The RF is always at Balmoral in the summer, seem to take it in turns to stay with the Queen. Not sure that counts as ‘bolted’. lol

PA won’t appear in an American court, perhaps he will have to pay for American lawyers though, as well as UK lawyers.

Maybe the queen goes there every year, but from 2009 to 2019, Fergie and PA vacationed together in Spain. In 2020, fearful of American authorities, PA canceled his annual summer vacation to Spain and stayed on British soil. Doesn't sound like PA took turns with other RF in staying at Balmoral. His daughters, however, do enjoy spending every summer holiday there, while the other grandchildren always go off and do their own thing elsewhere. As for Fergie, it's her first summer stay at B in 25 years. PA's brother, PC, has a cottage on Balmoral grounds and so hangs there. The only RF consistently at B in summer are PC, Cam, and PA's daughters.

Is it a coincidence that the day after the lawsuit news broke, PA ran to Balmoral where Mummy was? MSM, and, MOO, believe that no, it's not.

 

[Dotta]

Maybe the queen goes there every year, but from 2009 to 2019, Fergie and PA vacationed together in Spain. In 2020, fearful of American authorities, PA canceled his annual summer vacation to Spain and stayed on British soil. Doesn't sound like PA took turns with other RF in staying at Balmoral. His daughters, however, do enjoy spending every summer holiday there, while the other grandchildren always go off and do their own thing elsewhere. As for Fergie, it's her first summer stay at B in 25 years. PA's brother, PC, has a cottage on Balmoral grounds and so hangs there. The only RF consistently at B in summer are PC, Cam, and PA's daughters.

Is it a coincidence that the day after the lawsuit news broke, PA ran to Balmoral where Mummy was? MSM, and, MOO, believe that no, it's not.

You are a very well informed Royal correspondent haha Whatever happened between VG and PA is immortalized on some tapes Im sure. JE had cameras everywhere on his premises and they certainly kept rolling

 

[JDG]

The Queen has her calendar arranged months in advance. One does not just ‘pop in’ to see the Queen, not even the favourite son.

Balmoral visits are by invite only, the York’s were due to spend that time with the Queen for one of their many summer breaks.

Sarah was never forbidden from Balmoral visits with the Queen, she just always left before the arrival of Phillip.

Sarah and the Queen have always been very close.

Other family members come to Balmoral during their scheduled weeks with the Queen.

of course, COVID changed that in 2020.

The links posted are from ‘rags’ that sensationalize anything Royal to sell papers. Not sure that they are considered to be MSM in the UK. They would equate to the National Enquirer in the US. lol

 

[tayaway]

The Queen has her calendar arranged months in advance. One does not just ‘pop in’ to see the Queen, not even the favourite son.

Balmoral visits are by invite only, the York’s were due to spend that time with the Queen for one of their many summer breaks.

Sarah was never forbidden from Balmoral visits with the Queen, she just always left before the arrival of Phillip.

Sarah and the Queen have always been very close.

Other family members come to Balmoral during their scheduled weeks with the Queen.

of course, COVID changed that in 2020.

The links posted are from ‘rags’ that sensationalize anything Royal to sell papers. Not sure that they are considered to be MSM in the UK. They would equate to the National Enquirer in the US. lol

All the info you state in your response, except for dissing the 'rags', is common knowledge, some of which is found in the links I provided. None of your response deals your earlier assertion:

The RF is always at Balmoral in the summer, seem to take it in turns to stay with the Queen. Not sure that counts as ‘bolted’. lol

SBM

eta: Where are the reputable MSM links that disprove the 'rags' coverage of PA spending his summer vacays in Spain until the JE situation blew up in 2020? Please provide the MSM links that show PA spent more than just his 2021 vacay at B.

 

[Dotta]

Well, Im not an expert on RF but even to me as a foreigner it seems the Queen is trying to shield PA from the Press as much as she can in Balmoral. Is he going to live there permanently now I wonder? Queen moves to protect Andrew from media at Balmoral: report

 

[mickey2942]

As I said earlier, PA is pretty much the world's biggest loser man child. He is like those guys on "Wayne's World" who think that they are super cool, while living in their Mom's basement.

 

[Dotta]

Queen wants Prince Andrew to remain colonel of the Grenadier Guards | Daily Mail Online

 

[tayaway]

Queen wants Prince Andrew to remain colonel of the Grenadier Guards | Daily Mail Online

What about the Grenadier Guards, what do they want? Why does the queen even have any power over such a decision? Isn't absolute power of the monarch a thing of the past? PA: "Mummy said I'm the Col. of the GG!" Doesn't her demand make PA look even more the spoiled mama's boy, at a crucial time when it will damage his PR further? Sorry, MoD, but you've already been publicly shamed.

Prince Andrew will be allowed to stay on as colonel of the Grenadier Guards even though he most likely won't return to public duties after sexual assault accusations emerged against him.

The Queen has reportedly announced she will let her son the Duke of York, 61, stay on in his honorary role despite the allegations he denies.

But military chiefs fear that him not being able to perform public duties will embarrass the forces.

 

[Kemug]

Our poor Queen.

 

[Kemug]

I read somewhere many years ago that if an accused says absolutely nothing except "I don't know", "I can't remember", and "I wasn't there", then it is very hard to nail him for something.

 

[Dotta]

I read somewhere many years ago that if an accused says absolutely nothing except "I don't know", "I can't remember", and "I wasn't there", then it is very hard to nail him for something.

That sounds like some husbands' mantra.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Sorry for the confusion, the example of the groping witness was used only to show that PA has indeed met VRG before, which questions PA's credibility.

Yes, I agree completely with you on how PA's legal team needed to handle it - sure, he'd crossed paths with VRG at JE parties, but nothing ever happened, yadda yadda... He's made a grievous mistake in denying her acquaintance. Many famous people, for various reasons, have handlers and PR teams, so who let him do that interview? Not that I am putting any of the blame for his PR train wreck on anyone but him, but wow...

His daughter urged him to hold the interview. Disaster.