NY NY - Irondequoit, WhtFem 14-23, 122UFNY, skeletal in shallow grave, front teeth overlap, Jul'88

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

Same as in post #383. You know, you can easily check if the pages have been modified in NamUs yourself. You don’t have to be registred or anything, just use the search engine. Just a tip.

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

31 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[SleutherGirl]

I got a message back from Doe Network, that they'll have their panel take a look! Woo!

 

[SimsGuy67]

I got a message back from Doe Network, that they'll have their panel take a look! Woo!

How were you able to submit? I don't think Helga has a Doe Network page.

 

[SleutherGirl]

I submit people without Doe Network pages all the time. I just put N/A in the form. No one has ever commented on it, not once.

 

[SimsGuy67]

I submit people without Doe Network pages all the time. I just put N/A in the form. No one has ever commented on it, not once.

Thank you! Now I'll be able to submit a possible match that's been bugging me for a while.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Thank you! Now I'll be able to submit a possible match that's been bugging me for a while.

Cool! Sometimes, if you submit a person, you'll come back a few months later and they've been added in, so it's helpful in that way too.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Ok I emailed that State Trooper again and told her about the possible Canadian match.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Ok, I'll submit for Helga. It could be a match, who knows?

Edit: Helga went missing from only fifty miles away !!

2nd edit: I submitted it to Doe Network, and hopefully there will be some inter-country cooperation and something can be compared.

Ok, I don't know what delusion prompted me to believe that Ogdensburg and Irondequoit are only 50 miles away, but they are definitely not. Ah, well. I still got an email saying that they will look into it anyways.

 

[HBelusky]

Yes, please know that you can submit a potential match that is not listed on Doe. Just leave that question blank.

 

[kimmy227]

As someone who lived across the bay from where this body was found, this case has always interested me. After reading all of the threads, I too started to do some digging. In the local newspaper, I found a 19 yr old woman, Evelyn Cohen, that goes missing on her way to work while living in a boarding house in Irondequoit in 1928, link to the newspaper article below. Her age and description do match the Irondequoit Doe. I can not find another article where she is "found". I believe that I found her and her parents (George and Millie) in the 1920 census records but I could not find her nor her parents in the 1930s or 1940s census records. I know that the date might seem a little bit too early but I thought that it might be worth a mention.

Newspaper Article: https://www.proquest.com/docview/19...ountid=47680&sourcetype=Historical Newspapers

 

[SleutherGirl]

As someone who lived across the bay from where this body was found, this case has always interested me. After reading all of the threads, I too started to do some digging. In the local newspaper, I found a 19 yr old woman, Evelyn Cohen, that goes missing on her way to work while living in a boarding house in Irondequoit in 1928, link to the newspaper article below. Her age and description do match the Irondequoit Doe. I can not find another article where she is "found". I believe that I found her and her parents (George and Millie) in the 1920 census records but I could not find her nor her parents in the 1930s or 1940s census records. I know that the date might seem a little bit too early but I thought that it might be worth a mention.

Newspaper Article: https://www.proquest.com/docview/1926837738/9C9944DC08FD448CPQ/12?accountid=47680&sourcetype=Historical Newspapers

That does sound a bit early, by about 20 years, but there have been stranger matches made. She was in Irondequoit which is a BIG positive.

Edit: Irondequoit Jane | Marianna Boncek I found this little write up by a true crime author who lives in the Catskills. I don't know if it's worth anything, but it does seem to summarize the facts of this Doe as we know them rather nicely.

 

[Daphne1972]

The drawing always reminds me of a person photographed by Rodney Alcala. Presumably made in period September 1968/August 1971 because I think this was in the East Greenwich apartment.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Irondequoit Jane Doe's NamUs was recently modified, but the exclusions remain the same as in post #442.

 

[carbuff]

The drawing always reminds me of a person photographed by Rodney Alcala. Presumably made in period September 1968/August 1971 because I think this was in the East Greenwich apartment.

She would certainly be a possibility. I agree there's quite a resemblance.

 

[Earth]

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Janice Pockett hasn't been ruled out. Should we suggest her just in case?

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Janice Pockett hasn't been ruled out. Should we suggest her just in case?

@SimsGuy67 could you make a comparison table between Janice Pockett and Irondequoit Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Little Janice Pockett seems far too young and far too recent to be this Doe. This Doe was a teenager who according to the most recent information I can find, was presumed to have died before the housing tract was built in the early sixties. Meanwhile little Janice Pockett was only seven years old and died, presumably, in 1973.

'Every child deserves a name': Revisiting a 1988 Irondequoit cold case

IRONDEQUOIT, N.Y. A decades-old cold case in Irondequoit is still open and authorities are still looking for answers.Skeletal remains were found almost 40 years ago behind a home on Bay Knoll Road in Irondequoit. Investigators are still trying to figure out who this person was and what happened...

www.whec.com

 

[Earth]

Little Janice Pockett seems far too young and far too recent to be this Doe. This Doe was a teenager who according to the most recent information I can find, was presumed to have died before the housing tract was built in the early sixties. Meanwhile little Janice Pockett was only seven years old and died, presumably, in 1973.

'Every child deserves a name': Revisiting a 1988 Irondequoit cold case

IRONDEQUOIT, N.Y. A decades-old cold case in Irondequoit is still open and authorities are still looking for answers.Skeletal remains were found almost 40 years ago behind a home on Bay Knoll Road in Irondequoit. Investigators are still trying to figure out who this person was and what happened...

www.whec.com

It's best to rule her out just in case.

 

[SimsGuy67]

@SimsGuy67 could you make a comparison table between Janice Pockett and Irondequoit Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

	Irondequoit Jane Doe UP2607	Janice Kathryn Pockett MP2555
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	14 - 23	7
DLC/DOD	1958 - 1978 (Likely before early 60s)	July 26, 1973
Height	4'10 - 5'5	4'
Weight	Unknown	65 pounds
Hair Color	Unknown	Blonde
Eye Color	Unknown	Blue
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Unknown/None
Circumstances	Found in a shallow grave in the back yard of a home.	Left home on bicycle, which was found near a wooded area.
Distance	Irondequoit - Tolland	351 miles

I can't see this being Janice. I feel that investigators would be able to tell a 7-year-old and 14 - 23-year-old apart fairly easily. Also, Irondequoit Jane Doe was nearly a foot taller than Janice. Distance also isn't favourable. I think we can safely rule out Janice on the inconsistencies alone.