NY NY - Irondequoit, WhtFem 14-23, 122UFNY, skeletal in shallow grave, front teeth overlap, Jul'88

[iamshadow21]

	Irondequoit Jane Doe UP2607	Janice Kathryn Pockett MP2555
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	14 - 23	7
DLC/DOD	1958 - 1978 (Likely before early 60s)	July 26, 1973
Height	4'10 - 5'5	4'
Weight	Unknown	65 pounds
Hair Color	Unknown	Blonde
Eye Color	Unknown	Blue
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Unknown/None
Circumstances	Found in a shallow grave in the back yard of a home.	Left home on bicycle, which was found near a wooded area.
Distance	Irondequoit - Tolland	351 miles

I can't see this being Janice. I feel that investigators would be able to tell a 7-year-old and 14 - 23-year-old apart fairly easily. Also, Irondequoit Jane Doe was nearly a foot taller than Janice. Distance also isn't favourable. I think we can safely rule out Janice on the inconsistencies alone.

Janice looks to have very distinctive teeth. I know she is young, but that is a big, uneven gap with angling between her adult front teeth, that I can't imagine would have closed completely and straightened with other adult teeth growing in. If they have dentals on both, it could be an easy rule out.

MOO

 

[ziggystarshay]

Janice looks to have very distinctive teeth. I know she is young, but that is a big, uneven gap with angling between her adult front teeth, that I can't imagine would have closed completely and straightened with other adult teeth growing in. If they have dentals on both, it could be an easy rule out.

MOO

While the teeth of Janice do make an eyebrow raise for a minute, Jane Doe had extensive dental work performed including gold foil restoration on many of her teeth. I don't imagine at 7 that Janice not only had all of her adult teeth, but also to the point where dental work was necessary on them? I am always open-minded, and don't put too much stock in age ranges, but between the teeth, distance, and year Janice went missing, I agree with @SimsGuy67 and would also confidently rule her out.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

If you go back a few pages in this thread, you'll see that a Irondequoit Town Board meeting in March 2022 greenlit funds for genealogy testing for IJD, and she would be most likely be worked on by NCMEC and Parabon Nanolabs.

Found another Irondequoit Town Board meeting agenda, -this one from October 2022- where "the Irondequoit Police Department would like to use the resources of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) to upload a DNA profile to attempt to identify a Jane Doe case from 1988 (...) NCMEC has a working relationship with Bode Technology which allows it to facilitate DNA testing and genealogy at no charge to the law enforcement agency submitting the sample to be tested."

It basically says the same as the March Town Board meeting agenda, except it's Bode Technology instead of Parabon Nanolabs (NCMEC is partnered up with several FIGG services).
The issue is described on page 72.

https://www.irondequoit.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_10182022-94

NCMEC has also narrowed down her estimated age to 15-19 years old.

Have you seen this child? Jane Irondequoit Doe 1988

Missing From: Irondequoit, NY. Missing Date: July 31, 1988. An unidentified female was found in Irondequoit, New York on July 31, 1988. Her skeletal remains were found buried in a small knoll, located in a residential neighborhood that overlooks Irondequoit Bay in Monroe County. It is estimated...

www.missingkids.org

 

[ziggystarshay]

Found another Irondequoit Town Board meeting agenda, -this one from October 2022- where "the Irondequoit Police Department would like to use the resources of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) to upload a DNA profile to attempt to identify a Jane Doe case from 1988 (...) NCMEC has a working relationship with Bode Technology which allows it to facilitate DNA testing and genealogy at no charge to the law enforcement agency submitting the sample to be tested."

It basically says the same as the March Town Board meeting agenda, except it's Bode Technology instead of Parabon Nanolabs (NCMEC is partnered up with several FIGG services).
The issue is described on page 72.

https://www.irondequoit.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_10182022-94

NCMEC has also narrowed down her estimated age to 15-19 years old.

Have you seen this child? Jane Irondequoit Doe 1988

Missing From: Irondequoit, NY. Missing Date: July 31, 1988. An unidentified female was found in Irondequoit, New York on July 31, 1988. Her skeletal remains were found buried in a small knoll, located in a residential neighborhood that overlooks Irondequoit Bay in Monroe County. It is estimated...

www.missingkids.org

Good find! That's encouraging that an additional agency is being used as another resource in this case! Answers are coming..

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Irondequoit Jane Doe was discovered 36 years ago today.
No new NamUs exclusions.

 

[youngsleuth95]

What about Rhonda Labbe? Her description, appearance matches Doe, even her teeth seem to match.

 

[ziggystarshay]

What about Rhonda Labbe? Her description, appearance matches Doe, even her teeth seem to match.

Nice find, not familiar with her. I'd be curious to know if she Rhonda had any gold fillings, like the IJD was found to have. However, since it is believed the IJD had been deceased for around 30 years, and buried before the housing tract was built (1964), it's not likely Rhonda could be our gal. Not impossible, but it seems the more work that is done on this case, the more fine tuned the specifics have become (her date of death, height (5'1, despite the range being a bit under and over this), etc).

Believe me, this case has stumped me since I became aware of it, and I am SO anxious to find out the identity of IJD!

 

[youngsleuth95]

This is a VERY big stretch, but what about Cathy Moulton?

 

[iamshadow21]

This is a VERY big stretch, but what about Cathy Moulton?

I think that PMI is pretty good, but in all likelihood, Cathy died close to where she was last seen, on the other side of the country. I think chances are good that that hunter who couldn't retrace his steps found her remains in 1983.

MOO

 

[youngsleuth95]

I think that PMI is pretty good, but in all likelihood, Cathy died close to where she was last seen, on the other side of the country. I think chances are good that that hunter who couldn't retrace his steps found her remains in 1983.

MOO

It's always possible, but I think there are other theories to consider about where she died.
Reed Perley could have abandoned her near the reservation. She was trying to find her way and hitched a ride, but the driver killed her.
I also think Reed and his friend could have killed her himself and driven with her to another part of New England.

 

[iamshadow21]

It's always possible, but I think there are other theories to consider about where she died.
Reed Perley could have abandoned her near the reservation. She was trying to find her way and hitched a ride, but the driver killed her.
I also think Reed and his friend could have killed her himself and driven with her to another part of New England.

Ah, I've gotten turned around, forgive me. The fact that both Maine and Oregon both have Portlands always catches me out. Maine isn't half a country away from New York, it's close enough to be of interest.

I still think she's out in the woods near she went missing, personally, though. But that's just my opinion.

MOO

 

[thinair]

I have a question that I hope someone more familiar with this case can answer: Is there any reason to believe that Jane could not have been buried before 1958? I know the housing tract being built in 1964 makes her death likely to have occurred before then, but I haven't found anything that conclusively sets a marker for the earliest she could have died.

If this was discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it, could someone repost it?

 

[ziggystarshay]

I have a question that I hope someone more familiar with this case can answer: Is there any reason to believe that Jane could not have been buried before 1958? I know the housing tract being built in 1964 makes her death likely to have occurred before then, but I haven't found anything that conclusively sets a marker for the earliest she could have died.

If this was discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it, could someone repost it?

The medical examiner is the one who estimated her postmortem interval, dying likely in the late 50s. Other than the interval, there's nothing to indicate she couldn't have died EARLIER than the 50s. There's not much to go on, clue-wise. We have the neighborhood, her unique teeth overlap/pattern, the gold foil restoration dental work. Gold foil work began in the late 1800s and was phased out in the 1960s+, at least not taught in dental school beyond then.

I think it's entirely possible, or at least worth being open minded about, that she could have died long prior to the 50s. Gold foil restoration work was very expensive at the time, and again, it's stated that she had extensive work. Then why not also have braces? If you have money? To fix the front overlap and straighten out her teeth. Braces were around in the 20s-40s, more popularized after the 60s, but around nonetheless. But that could also be indicative of her age..I was super young when I had braces (put on at the end of 5th grade and removed middle of 7th grade), but I'd say that's not common. More so mid-later teen years, right? And if they were waiting until that age, then I think she's on the lower end of the age range, 14, 15, maybe 16. This is what I have running through my mind! Never-ending little avenues of thoughts.

 

[thinair]

Thank you so much! I've been having similar thoughts about gold foil vs braces, and to summarize my current thoughts: I agree that she was likely on the younger end of the age range and died quite a bit earlier than previously thought. Although reconstructions are not meant to be perfect matches to the likeness of the decedent, I've found them to be helpful in gauging an age range and the reconstruction of this girl appears quite young. I'm going to try to do some more research into her case and missing girls from the area prior to 1964.

Some possibilities for matches I've found are Paula Jean Welden and Denise Sullivan but I'm going to do more searching.

 

[HmmMysterious]

Thank you so much! I've been having similar thoughts about gold foil vs braces, and to summarize my current thoughts: I agree that she was likely on the younger end of the age range and died quite a bit earlier than previously thought. Although reconstructions are not meant to be perfect matches to the likeness of the decedent, I've found them to be helpful in gauging an age range and the reconstruction of this girl appears quite young. I'm going to try to do some more research into her case and missing girls from the area prior to 1964.

Some possibilities for matches I've found are Paula Jean Welden and Denise Sullivan but I'm going to do more searching.

I doubt this girl is either of these two. Welden's body is likely still within the forests of Vermont's Long Trail and Sullivan's body was buried by her killer, Abel Aragaon, in the Polar Mesa area of Utah.

 

[UncoolNegated]

I just looked thru this thread to see if Erica Franolich was ever thought of as a possible match to this Jane Doe. In 2015, it was mentioned - she still isn't on the rule out list, so I don't know if Erica was ever ruled out. I saw this one picture of Erica on her Charley Project profile and thought is looked similar to this Jane Doe.

Here is Erica's NamUs page. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Here Charley Project Profile Erica Jayne Franolich – The Charley Project

What do you think? I know they say the Jane Doe could have been deceased for up to 30 years prior, but I would have hoped by now these two would have been compared by law enforcement.

I submitted this several years ago as a potential match to the authorities. Somebody on Websleuths had spotted it several years ago. Can PM me for info if you want but nothing really came back. I recently ran the two cases through my AI assistant. It says that there is a 20% chance that they are the same person. I consider that high as we're often dealing with shots in the dark for these cases. When I suggested to AI that the photo and composite sketch had striking resemblances, the match percentage was raised to a hypothetical 50%. All just food for thought of course. But I really think they need to look at these two cases, if only to list them as rule outs so no one goes down this rabbit hole again -- because several people have.

 

[Falling Down]

Bump with the NCMEC page for this case:

Have you seen this child? Jane Irondequoit Doe 1988

Missing From: Irondequoit, NY. Missing Date: July 31, 1988. An unidentified female was found in Irondequoit, New York on July 31, 1988. Her skeletal remains were found buried in a small knoll, located in a residential neighborhood that overlooks Irondequoit Bay in Monroe County. It is estimated...

www.missingkids.org

 

[Vern]

@othram, is this perhaps one of the kids' cases that you are undertaking?