Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[LivingJuicy]

So let me understand... He wanted out, yet she begged him to stay and now SHE is missing? Makes no sense at all. I'm sick.

 

[Londonrraine]

I'd also like to know if the psychic has verified ANY of this with LE. I honestly worry for her.
Children will say anything when their world is falling apart. It's very possible that they have been warned that if they don't confirm what their Dad is saying, he will be taken away and they will be without BOTH of their parents. That is a terrifying feeling when you are a child. Sometimes it doesn't even take much effort on the part of the parent to influence their child when they are in such an unstable situation.
As an example (just an example, lets not get OT with this, this thread isn't about me) my stepdad drove me and one of my sisters to our CPS interview, where they were questioning us about HIM abusing us. He stopped and bought us candy and a soda on the way. Even that wasn't necessary, just him driving us there was intimidating enough to keep us quiet.

I hate to be able to confirm this, but I sure can.
When a child's world is shaken, or threatened, it's easy to get them to say what a parent wants them to. I got to see this first hand, and it was horrific. It would be absolute cake to get these kids to go along with whatever, IMO. I hope that's not the case, because these poor kids are already experiencing trauma that no child should have to.

 

[enzeder]

Good to see that this media release has 144 shares on Facebook thus far.

Chenango Sheriff

9 hours ago

CHENANGO COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE

MEDIA RELEASE

The Sheriff’s Office is still investigating the disappearance of Jennifer L. Ramsaran, age 36, of Sheff Road in New Berlin. Jennifer was last seen by family members on the morning of December 11, 2012 at her residence. She was possibly headed to Destiny USA in Syracuse to shop. Her husband reported her missing later that night to the Town of New Berlin Police Department. Jennifer’s cell phone was found on December 12, 2012 near the intersection of State Route 23 and Moon Hill Road in the Town of Plymouth. On December 16, 2012, the Ramsaran’s 2007 Chrysler Town and Country mini-van was found on Plymouth Street in the City of Norwich.
The Sheriff’s Office is continuing to investigate and is following up on any information it receives. The Sheriff’s Office asks anyone with information to call at 607 337 1924. All calls will be kept confidential.

http://www.facebook.com/chenango.sheriff

 

[Piperdog]

I've been reading the posts, and following this case with great interest. There are many things about it that don't add up with me either. One that comes to mind is the circumstances surrounding the "discovery" of her cell phone. The lacation that it was found is a 55MPH highway. I'm lead to believe that it was tossed out of a car heading towards Syracuse. I understand that it is an iPhone. It has been my experience that iPhones are pretty delicate devices. I just don't see how it could withstand a drop on the hard pavement, let alone being tossed out of a car traveling at highway speeds. More likely, it was "placed" there.... maybe to throw off LE?

The other thing that stands out is the "quietness" of the whole case. Very little discussion around town. I do agree with a previous poster who pointed out the many empty houses, barns, and trailers in the area near Plymouth that the phone was found, but, again, I get the feeling that it was planted there, not dropped there. JMHO, of course.

 

[enzeder]

Jennifer’s cell phone was found on December 12, 2012 near the intersection of State Route 23 and Moon Hill Road in the Town of Plymouth.
http://www.facebook.com/chenango.sheriff

Maybe someone threw the phone out of the car window as they were crossing the bridge hoping the phone would end up in the in the river below?

State Highway 23/ Moon Hill Road, Plymouth, NY
http://goo.gl/maps/Fa1DM

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I've been reading the posts, and following this case with great interest. There are many things about it that don't add up with me either. One that comes to mind is the circumstances surrounding the "discovery" of her cell phone. The lacation that it was found is a 55MPH highway. I'm lead to believe that it was tossed out of a car heading towards Syracuse. I understand that it is an iPhone. It has been my experience that iPhones are pretty delicate devices. I just don't see how it could withstand a drop on the hard pavement, let alone being tossed out of a car traveling at highway speeds. More likely, it was "placed" there.... maybe to throw off LE?

The other thing that stands out is the "quietness" of the whole case. Very little discussion around town. I do agree with a previous poster who pointed out the many empty houses, barns, and trailers in the area near Plymouth that the phone was found, but, again, I get the feeling that it was planted there, not dropped there. JMHO, of course.

:welcome4: Piperdog. :wagon:

Thank you for joining us in trying to find Jennifer! :seeya:

 

[OldSteve]

Maybe someone threw the phone out of the car window as they were crossing the bridge hoping the phone would end up in the in the river below?

Thanks for the photo of where phone was found - yes, I agree 100% looks like toss attempted to throw over the bridge, and being not that heavy the motion/wind of car moving carried elsewhere.

 

[enzeder]

NEW BERLIN – On Thursday, the husband of a missing Town of New Berlin woman confirmed reports that he was the one who discovered his wife’s iPhone in the area of State Route 23 and Moon Hill Road in the Town of Plymouth, and that his father-in-law, Thomas Renz, located his wife’s maroon 2006 Chrysler Town and Country minivan at Plank Road Manor, Plymouth Street, in the City of Norwich.
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2013-01-04/16576/New-details-emerge-in-case-of-missing-woman/

I've just realized that there are two Plank Road Manor apartments in Norwich. JR's car was found at the Plank Road Manor in Plymouth Street Norwich which is approx. 5.5 miles further along Highway 23 from where the phone was found. You would pass these apartments if you were on State Highway 23 so I can understand how JR's father could have spotted the car outside the apartments if he was searching for her along this route.

Plank Road Manor, 95 Plymouth St, Norwich, New York
http://goo.gl/maps/7jf7n

Plank Road Manor
95 Plymouth St, Norwich, New York 13815
http://www.apartmentsmart.com/New-York/Norwich/Plank-Road-Manor/55320

 

[Piperdog]

Maybe someone threw the phone out of the car window as they were crossing the bridge hoping the phone would end up in the in the river below?

State Highway 23/ Moon Hill Road, Plymouth, NY
http://goo.gl/maps/Fa1DM

My point was how the heck would an iPhone survive being thrown out of a car onto pavement. My daughters phone wouldn't survive a drop from the kitchen table let alone being heaved out of a moving vehicle. I still think the phone was planted there.

 

[enzeder]

My point was how the heck would an iPhone survive being thrown out of a car onto pavement. My daughters phone wouldn't survive a drop from the kitchen table let alone being heaved out of a moving vehicle. I still think the phone was planted there.

I see what you mean and I totally agree with what you say.

 

[fringles]

I do agree about the phone likely not surviving being thrown from a car - it was something that bothered me instantly. At first I wondered whether it was snowy up there, because if it landed in snow it might've fared better, momentarily (until it got wet!).

The one thing I am almost certain of is that the phone would no longer have been switched on by the time it was found. Either damp, damage from the drop, or simply loss of battery life. Even if it was fully charged when she left the house, and she lost it shortly after, I'm not sure that by 8pm the following day it would still have had charge.

I researched the find my iphone app quite a lot a few days ago, and discovered that while it will not update a location if it is switched off or out of battery, it will show the last location the phone was recorded to be at. So it is definitely possible that despite the phone being broken or out of battery it could still have been traced to this location, as long as that's where it was when it died.

One of the handiest aspects of the app is the ability to make the phone make a sound (I use it in my own home fairly regularly to discover my phone under a pile of laundry, in an odd corner or inside the couch!) and this function would NOT have worked if the phone was not powered on.

By all accounts the app can be extremely accurate (<10 feet from recorded location), particularly outdoors. However, I am slightly iffy on whether even with an accurate GPS reading, something as small as an iphone could be located on the side of a road, in the dark, after more than 24 hours.

 

[WestCoastLady]

Just a thought - I always buy an OtterBox case for my phone....it's much cheaper than replacing a cracked screen and they are pretty indestructible!

As an example, I left my phone on my back bumper and drove off. The phone fell in the middle of a VERY busy street and sat there for at least an hour. Other than a little road dirt, no damage - gotta' love an OtterBox

So maybe Jennifer had a great case on her phone...??

Don't get me wrong - I'm still very skeptical about the whole "finding the phone" thing.

MOO and all that....

 

[Londonrraine]

I do agree about the phone likely not surviving being thrown from a car - it was something that bothered me instantly. At first I wondered whether it was snowy up there, because if it landed in snow it might've fared better, momentarily (until it got wet!).

The one thing I am almost certain of is that the phone would no longer have been switched on by the time it was found. Either damp, damage from the drop, or simply loss of battery life. Even if it was fully charged when she left the house, and she lost it shortly after, I'm not sure that by 8pm the following day it would still have had charge.

I researched the find my iphone app quite a lot a few days ago, and discovered that while it will not update a location if it is switched off or out of battery, it will show the last location the phone was recorded to be at. So it is definitely possible that despite the phone being broken or out of battery it could still have been traced to this location, as long as that's where it was when it died.

One of the handiest aspects of the app is the ability to make the phone make a sound (I use it in my own home fairly regularly to discover my phone under a pile of laundry, in an odd corner or inside the couch!) and this function would NOT have worked if the phone was not powered on.

By all accounts the app can be extremely accurate (<10 feet from recorded location), particularly outdoors. However, I am slightly iffy on whether even with an accurate GPS reading, something as small as an iphone could be located on the side of a road, in the dark, after more than 24 hours.

I would really like to know the condition of that iphone.

 

[amberdawn723]

GR's psychic - if you are reading this, please feel free to join WS and add your input/opinion! We'd love to have an "insider" so to speak. And if you could please clear up this changing-appearance thing about Jennifer.....I don't think we really understand what that is all about. In the very beginning it was mentioned that she "may have" changed hair color and style before leaving.....what led LE to think this? Did she leave hair products out in the bathroom that she didn't usually use or something?

 

[WestCoastLady]

Today is a month that Jennifer has been missing.

Has there been any type of vigil or gathering planned yet for her???

 

[ksprincess]

I have to wonder if besides changing her hair color, which is very common for women, if the changes in Jennifer's weight are what is being referred to in regards to appearance changing. I noticed on the missing page for Jennifer and her own facebook page that there are pictures of her heavier and thinner and she does look different at different weights. However I don't see that as Jennifer purposefully attempting to change her appearance. I know on a message board she had written that she has some medical conditions and I know one was a thyroid condition (graves disease maybe). With a thyroid condition I'm sure her weight fluctuated a lot. Also since her husband is so into fitness I'm sure she was always trying to lose weight. I do not however believe she was purposely changing her appearance before she went missing in order to be be recognized after she disappeared.

 

[LivingJuicy]

Thinking of JR today and wishing she is safe and warm somewhere.

Here's my quick thoughts as I'm at work..

I'm bothered by GR's need to defend himself constantly. Ok, you're innocent, stop talking and find your wife.

The conflicting stories about their relationship. Now, it's him that wanted out. Ok then why are you all over FB as if the love of your life is gone. Seems odd to me.

Then the whole psychic gig. I'm sure she may even believe him - as per her comment upthread, she seems harmeless and in need of the cash. Heck, GR could even be throwing a little extra.

GR is not a stupid person by any means. I'm sure he's reading here too.

Anyways, she didn't just vanish into thin air and I don't think she met up with someone from online and met with foul play. The police have her computer records and IMO, we would know more. I think if that were the case, GR would be more descriptive in his pleads of his wife.

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

Thinking of JR today and wishing she is safe and warm somewhere.

Here's my quick thoughts as I'm at work..

I'm bothered by GR's need to defend himself constantly. Ok, you're innocent, stop talking and find your wife.

The conflicting stories about their relationship. Now, it's him that wanted out. Ok then why are you all over FB as if the love of your life is gone. Seems odd to me.

Then the whole psychic gig. I'm sure she may even believe him - as per her comment upthread, she seems harmeless and in need of the cash. Heck, GR could even be throwing a little extra.

GR is not a stupid person by any means. I'm sure he's reading here too.

Anyways, she didn't just vanish into thin air and I don't think she met up with someone from online and met with foul play. The police have her computer records and IMO, we would know more. I think if that were the case, GR would be more descriptive in his pleads of his wife.

The whole thing smells to me.. The whole thing. I hope le smells it too.

 

[Londonrraine]

Re:Facebook pgs: I'm not feeling good about the 2 different Jennifer Ramsaran pages on FB. Obviously, one is adverse with the other.

I think that the people who created both pages means well, but there's an obvious conflict and I hate to see all this adversity, from people who should be working for the same goal. I don't mean to criticize, but lets keep our eye on what's important, which is finding Jennifer and what happened to her.
I'm so worried for Jennifer, and someone's busy blocking me from the one page, because I hit "like" on the other? C'mon...there's a woman's life at stake here.

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

Re:Facebook pgs: I'm not feeling good about the 2 different Jennifer Ramsaran pages on FB. Obviously, one is adverse with the other.

I think that the people who created both pages means well, but there's an obvious conflict and I hate to see all this adversity, from people who should be working for the same goal. I don't mean to criticize, but lets keep our eye on what's important, which is finding Jennifer and what happened to her.
I'm so worried for Jennifer, and someone's busy blocking me from the one page, because I hit "like" on the other? C'mon...there's a woman's life at stake here.

Ita..