Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[nursebeeme]

So it looks as though the cell phone was found further along the the route than where her vehicle was found.

http://goo.gl/maps/M8eaA

here we go, have... I bumped this map up as well (thank you enzender)

 

[nursebeeme]

oh my...that map IS very different... and the car is close to the house... it clearly looks like the phone was tossed out after the car was ditched doesn't it?

 

[scorekeeper]

“As the last few days have been blurred into one long nightmare I have finally let myself reflect upon the past a bit, something I normally don’t allow myself to do,” the husband, an avid running enthusiast and marathon competitor, wrote on Facebook.

“Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,” the posting continued. “She has never left home and not keep in contact within 2-3 hours via phone or text. She would never miss our daughters’ Winter Concert last night or her birthday tomorrow. I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound. The kids and I miss her so much, her laugh, her quirkiness, just everything. Today I went to Walmart and I grabbed my cell to call home and ask her a question about which item I should purchase and reality smacked me in the face and I started crying uncontrollably! That was rough! I am strong and I know the kids and I will get through this.”

Elaborating on the ordeal, Ganesh Ramsaran went on: “All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case. The helplessness and the not knowing is an additional nightmare which I can’t escape from right now. The lack of sleep, the loss of appetite, the stress of not knowing, the worrying where and how she is doing is a burden that I never thought I would have to carry but life comes with some curve balls.”


http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

in today's paper 12/19/12

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

So there's no trace in the minivan of a struggle and LE say “There is no evidence other than she is missing, and we’re trying to find the answers”. To me that suggests no blood was found in the vehicle? At least not obvious (as they say it's a preliminary exam).

 

[scorekeeper]

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

Jennifer Renz Ramsaran, the 36-year-old stay-at-home mom missing for a week under suspicious circumstances, had begun discussing the possibility of separating from her husband and had made new online gaming friends through her iPhone account, a family friend said Tuesday.

“It sounded like she was developing an emotional attachment to somebody,” said a source who spoke to The Daily Star on the condition of anonymity. “If there was somebody showing her an awful lot of attention, I could see her being misled.”


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something doesn't add up here....

 

[nervous_nellie]

Just a thought...

Is it possible that it is taking longer so as to obtain the records of the person(s) in communication with Jennifer.....?

:dunno:

yes, i do think you have a very good point here....who ever they are -- if they exist -- if she ever knew them in real life...and getting subpoenas for all that takes time...

getting the kids interviewed properly takes time too....

i think it sounds like le is doing a superb job...no stone unturned...or so it seems at this point...moo

 

[nervous_nellie]

so the van was found just west of their home and the phone was found just a bit farther west that the van on route 23. am i understanding this? which way was her van when it was found? pointing east or west? if she were traveling back home for some reason and tossed the phone and kept going then for some reason didnt make it back home and left the van for some reason? otherwise the van was stopped/dumped prior to the phone being discarded?

if the new "interests" in her life were linked thru her iPhone i dont believe she would have just tossed her phone. and if she was running away with someone i dont think she would leave her van there...so many better places to "hide" a car, say like, Destiny USA? in the parking lot? or any lot between home and there? and couldnt she get a new sim card for her iPhone? i have an iPhone but i have never taken it apart like i have some of the burn phones....idk? i dont understand the mapping...or rather her itinerary or route of travel without knowing which way her van was found...

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

and couldnt she get a new sim card for her iPhone? i have an iPhone but i have never taken it apart like i have some of the burn phones....idk? i dont understand the mapping...or rather her itinerary or route of travel without knowing which way her van was found...

I don't think so - even if you change the SIM you can't change the IMEI number and I think the iPhone tracker app uses that. The only way to be sure would be to ditch it.

 

[LivingJuicy]

"Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,”

I agree with that statement. She seemed to be very family oriented and very hands on with baking, knitting, etc.

I feel that this wasn't a random attack of any sort. I ruled out robbery/car jacking because no activity has been traced to her credit cards or bank and the car was found. The cell phone being found also IMO feels very much like a staging of some sort. Sort of to make it seem like something happened in or around her vehicle, however; LE has said thus far, there has been no signs of struggle in the van. The perp. (who I believe knows Jennifer) probably didn't realize that leaving the vehichle and ditching the phone, only makes it look less real. Again, JMO.

I was quick in my initial thoughts to feel like husband wasn't involved but when you start reading about possible seperations and what not, you do have to wonder.

What really bugs me a lot are these comments:

I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.

All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case

I don't know why but those comments make me almost nauseous but again, JMO. Also, I could be a bit tainted because I was very taken by the Katrina Smith case.

 

[Londonrraine]

"Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,”

I agree with that statement. She seemed to be very family oriented and very hands on with baking, knitting, etc.

I feel that this wasn't a random attack of any sort. I ruled out robbery/car jacking because no activity has been traced to her credit cards or bank and the car was found. The cell phone being found also IMO feels very much like a staging of some sort. Sort of to make it seem like something happened in or around her vehicle, however; LE has said thus far, there has been no signs of struggle in the van. The perp. (who I believe knows Jennifer) probably didn't realize that leaving the vehichle and ditching the phone, only makes it look less real. Again, JMO.

I was quick in my initial thoughts to feel like husband wasn't involved but when you start reading about possible seperations and what not, you do have to wonder.

What really bugs me a lot are these comments:

I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.

All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case

I don't know why but those comments make me almost nauseous but again, JMO. Also, I could be a bit tainted because I was very taken by the Katrina Smith case.

" I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.
All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case"
Were these made by the husband?
Whether directly or indirectly, I don't rule him out here at all, JMO, of course.

Re: Jennifer's Iphone, I wonder if she tossed it herself, thinking that it would help LE find her?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

so the van was found just west of their home and the phone was found just a bit farther west that the van on route 23. am i understanding this? which way was her van when it was found? pointing east or west? if she were traveling back home for some reason and tossed the phone and kept going then for some reason didnt make it back home and left the van for some reason? otherwise the van was stopped/dumped prior to the phone being discarded?

if the new "interests" in her life were linked thru her iPhone i dont believe she would have just tossed her phone. and if she was running away with someone i dont think she would leave her van there...so many better places to "hide" a car, say like, Destiny USA? in the parking lot? or any lot between home and there? and couldnt she get a new sim card for her iPhone? i have an iPhone but i have never taken it apart like i have some of the burn phones....idk? i dont understand the mapping...or rather her itinerary or route of travel without knowing which way her van was found...

Jennifer's van was parked at (I am assuming in a parking lot?) Plank Road Manor which is on Plymouth Street in Norwich, NY... this apartment complex is a relatively short distance from where the 23 and some road comes together... and the phone was found off the 23 further north...

Cold Pizza's great map shows a shorter, more direct route to Destiny USA..bypassing Norwich....

and Enzeder's great map shows a longer route to Destiny USA.. which would have taken Jennifer (and/or whoever) through Norwich (where the car was found).. then up the 23.. (where the phone was found)..

Sooo....

There you have it... in a nutshell!

 

[nervous_nellie]

"Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,”

I agree with that statement. She seemed to be very family oriented and very hands on with baking, knitting, etc.

I feel that this wasn't a random attack of any sort. I ruled out robbery/car jacking because no activity has been traced to her credit cards or bank and the car was found. The cell phone being found also IMO feels very much like a staging of some sort. Sort of to make it seem like something happened in or around her vehicle, however; LE has said thus far, there has been no signs of struggle in the van. The perp. (who I believe knows Jennifer) probably didn't realize that leaving the vehichle and ditching the phone, only makes it look less real. Again, JMO.

I was quick in my initial thoughts to feel like husband wasn't involved but when you start reading about possible seperations and what not, you do have to wonder.

What really bugs me a lot are these comments:

I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.

All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case

I don't know why but those comments make me almost nauseous but again, JMO. Also, I could be a bit tainted because I was very taken by the Katrina Smith case.

i feel exactly the same. or rather i had the same feelings about katrina and this case is lining up much the same...EXCEPT the husband as far as we know is not some raging criminal that blew up his childhood home, and bilked millions from pensioners...and all that came from the news...i think if there was something lurking that the news would have it on...so i know we cant sleuth g right now.

its just that if everything was just so normal and everyday sort of couple that loved each other blah blah...but yet le is tearing the house and electronics apart and and giving the impression that there is NOT a crazed car jacker running loose in the area...and revealing that her bank cards have not been used and she has not been seen...all these things dont all fit together...kwim? somewhere something isnt kosher...but what or who is it? moo...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

"Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly,”

I agree with that statement. She seemed to be very family oriented and very hands on with baking, knitting, etc.

I feel that this wasn't a random attack of any sort. I ruled out robbery/car jacking because no activity has been traced to her credit cards or bank and the car was found. The cell phone being found also IMO feels very much like a staging of some sort. Sort of to make it seem like something happened in or around her vehicle, however; LE has said thus far, there has been no signs of struggle in the van. The perp. (who I believe knows Jennifer) probably didn't realize that leaving the vehichle and ditching the phone, only makes it look less real. Again, JMO.

I was quick in my initial thoughts to feel like husband wasn't involved but when you start reading about possible seperations and what not, you do have to wonder.

What really bugs me a lot are these comments:

I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.

All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case

I don't know why but those comments make me almost nauseous but again, JMO. Also, I could be a bit tainted because I was very taken by the Katrina Smith case.

I have to admit that GR's two comments accepting the loss of poor Jennifer in such a short amount of time (about 1 1/2 weeks?) ... is concerning to me, too!

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

I was quick in my initial thoughts to feel like husband wasn't involved but when you start reading about possible seperations and what not, you do have to wonder.

What really bugs me a lot are these comments:

I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.

All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case

I don't know why but those comments make me almost nauseous but again, JMO. Also, I could be a bit tainted because I was very taken by the Katrina Smith case.

I don't feel nauseous but I do feel puzzled - he seemed to give up on her very quickly. I'm sure I saw a comment about him losing hope when she was barely missing.

 

[LivingJuicy]

" I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound.
All I want is for Jen to come walking through our front door safe and sound and giving us all hugs, but I have lost all faith that will be the case"
Were these made by the husband?
Whether directly or indirectly, I don't rule him out here at all, JMO, of course.

Re: Jennifer's Iphone, I wonder if she tossed it herself, thinking that it would help LE find her?

Maybe - but only if we can assume that it was a perp. that didn't know her. IMO.

I wonder if it can be verified that her husband was at work that day, all day.

 

[rubync]

Maybe - but only if we can assume that it was a perp. that didn't know her. IMO.

I wonder if it can be verified that her husband was at work that day, all day.

What would you think if the husband normally worked from home?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1423436202/Officials-seek-leads-on-missing-area-woman

Quote:

"It sounded like she was developing an emotional attachment to somebody," said a source who spoke to The Daily Star on the condition of anonymity. "If there was somebody showing her an awful lot of attention, I could see her being misled."

This quote concerns me... an anonymous person reports to LE?/Reporter? a pretty loaded statement...remains anonymous.. and who knows how much...if any... of this is true?

However... IF it is true... then it can lead a couple of ways....

1.) Husband is jealous...and cannot see losing his wife to another...

Or...

2.) Jennifer has met a person in whom she is interested... so she goes to spend some time with that person.. and things turn sour...

... or Jennifer decides to run away with this person.....

So... who was this anonymous source who feels comfortable relaying intimate details of Jessica's life... and why do they feel a need to share it?

All JMO...

 

[nursebeeme]

What would you think if the husband normally worked from home?

did he??

 

[Portabella]

With hubby working at IBM, I think he should be able to prove or be disproven whether he was at work all day, on the day in question. I think they may even have security camera's within IBM, would not doubt it for a minute. I have this feeling, cannot put my finger on it just yet...but wonder if hubby was known to be friendly with other women. I can see hubby is self absorbed, and gave up fast on her, but I still don't get hinky vibes from him to be honest....IMHO

 

[nervous_nellie]

What would you think if the husband normally worked from home?

im not LJ, but that would blow my circuits for a bit...i would really have to think a lot more about different things.....moo