Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 1

[MissieMt]

I would bet that the local media is following the FB page closely.
Most families of missing people WANT cameras in their faces in order to get their missing loved ones' story out so I don't think that was the deterrent.

 

[fringles]

Is it maybe because a certain person involved decided to attend and LE dont want them to be able to access evidence and be able to then explain away fingerprints/DNA?
Btw - can someone link me to missing person jennifer page? I cannot find it when searching, which tells me it may be set that way?

Oh good point! Your first sentence makes a lot of sense IMO.

As to the second, I have the same issue. Not sure what it means - Its been showing up today but not other days, for me.

 

[OffRoadRunner]

Is it maybe because a certain person involved decided to attend and LE dont want them to be able to access evidence and be able to then explain away fingerprints/DNA?

Interesting.. hadn't thought about that. Yes, someone who did it could walk right to where she is and then Disturb the crime scene...in a negative way. That would be an issue and a risk.

Thanks. It also makes the spot where the search was going to take place a possible hot spot as well.

 

[Jilllian]

For whatever reason, the family/community behavior's here are very different, IMO.

~respectfully snipped

My gauge on the community's reaction (and neighboring communities, as we're pretty rural up here) is that they're only partly torn. People have started talking. And sharing. A lot. Just a few weeks ago though? Not a peep. My sense is that aside from his close friends and family, the vast majority of people up here believe he has something to do with her disappearance.

As for the family's reaction, I can only guess that they're afraid by GR. I know I would be if I were them. Plus, since their are grandchildren involved, they may fear losing contact with them. They were on board with the search until he went publicly ballistic about the search. Then they backed away. His performances over the last two days have been absolutely Oscar worthy.

Today, he expressed his undying gratitude to friends and family for their support, while bashing me for going against police wishes for forming the search party, bashing our site because we're strangers, and the private investigator working with us, who searches for missing and abducted people all over the world. He believes we have no professionals working with us.

If my wife was missing, I would want that investigator working to help find her. Instead, he discredited him in a pretty blatant way.

He said something about everyone else wanting their 15-minutes of fame at his wife's expense. His answer to why LE hasn't held a press conference yet had to do with LE being busy doing their job.

For someone who says he's not against searches, he sure sounds like he is!

 

[Jilllian]

On New Year's Eve, a mom of 35 came up missing but was located the next day.

Any thoughts?

Yes! My thought is" "Holy crap! There's a mom with 35 kids who lives locally to us and this is the first I'm hearing of it?"

:floorlaugh:

 

[MissieMt]

The idea that LE caught wind that maybe a suspect would be helping with the search and so they decided to discourage the search is possible. There have been cases in the past where it was found later on that the offender did in fact help with the search.
But aren't most searches done in "groups"? I'm pretty sure people are usually with at least one other person and/or it's done where the searchers are only so far apart (well within eyesight of each other) so as to lower the risk of them getting lost etc.

ETA: I do find it odd that he would refer to the p.i. as wanting 15 minutes of fame. But the psychic was not? And can I just point out that there is no "fame" to be had in this case as of yet? It's still a very local story.

 

[OffRoadRunner]

Yes! My thought is" "Holy crap! There's a mom with 35 kids who lives locally to us and this is the first I'm hearing of it?"

:floorlaugh:

Mom, aged 35ish... sorry.. LOL

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

If my wife was missing, I would want that investigator working to help find her. Instead, he discredited him in a pretty blatant way!

his discrediting anyone amuses me when I consider his newest BFF.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

I idly wonder how much of the concern from LE is down to who has found previous evidence in this case....

Just hope they have something. The lack of any public statement from LE, any appeal by the family.. if the best case scenario - Jennifer ran away - is the right one, she sure as heck isn't going to feel as if they want her to stick her head up and say, look I'm ok, I just went off.

 

[Jilllian]

~ respectfully snipped

What I am trying to figure out is:

1) Planned (methodical, detailed, no mistakes, do things to throw people off, body where it won't be found) , or
2) Out of rage or some catalyst that caused it (no plan, hurried, mistakes, sloppy, body most likely is easily found)

Any thoughts?

Good questions, ORR.

I don't dismiss either scenario.

Given his narcissistic personality traits and the behaviors he publicly exhibits (impulsiveness, very little self-control, outward rage, targeting others, blaming others, playing the victim role almost completely independent of his children, sympathy seeking, hate for people he doesn't even know, his seeming need to be admired, and his manipulation tactics <taking advantage of others, like his kind and sensitive psychic, who he consistently fed words to share with others here on WS and on other public sites, in an attempt to clear his name>), I would think that rage could have been the catalyst that set him off to do something that he perhaps had planned on doing at some point, maybe not necessarily that day though. But then again, his "airtight alibi" includes allegedly being seen on camera at the Y (although probably for a very brief amount of time).

I believe that it's quite possible that after the kids went to school, GR and JR had an argument. Since there was talk of an on-going affair between GR and JR's best friend (GR's running partner), a possible divorce that GR asked for but JR apparently didn't want, it would make sense that he would react swiftly and violently, especially given the erratic and concernign behavior he's exhibited in public, so lord only knows how much worse it was in private.

Also, if he's as much of a sympathy seeker as I perceive him to be, and he desperately wanted to be with his mistress, the same mistress who reportedly went back to her own husband less than two weeks before JR went missing, I can see him doing something to Jennifer in a twisted attempt to regain the mistress.

These thoughts probably seem way out there, but I've seen some crazier stuff in my career, even worse than this. And by "worse than this," I don't mean to imply that this isn't as bad as it gets for Jennifer and her loved ones, I just meant that I've seen it on a larger scale (more than one person).

I think her body will be found. And I think it will be very soon.

 

[sreshowtime]

I think I asked wayyyy back- anyone ever hear if her purse/wallet/identification is missing? If so, Might be some items for locals to keep an eye out for in case they got tossed...

 

[cluciano63]

I find it hard to believe that no searches would take place just because a person LE does not want searching might show up. They have ways of dealing with that issue.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The idea that LE caught wind that maybe a suspect would be helping with the search and so they decided to discourage the search is possible. There have been cases in the past where it was found later on that the offender did in fact help with the search.
But aren't most searches done in "groups"? I'm pretty sure people are usually with at least one other person and/or it's done where the searchers are only so far apart (well within eyesight of each other) so as to lower the risk of them getting lost etc.

ETA: I do find it odd that he would refer to the p.i. as wanting 15 minutes of fame. But the psychic was not? And can I just point out that there is no "fame" to be had in this case as of yet? It's still a very local story.

Wow... Stating others want 15 minutes of fame... From someone who can't help but post pix of himself preening before the camera?

Just sayin'.....

:dunno:

 

[Clayton]

From New Berlin on King Settlement Road, County Route 29, to Button Hollow Road, then down West Brook Road. West Branch Great Brook is on the right side of this road. I then went up Humphrey road up to Chenango Lake.

 

[Clayton]

I saw a photo on Facebook tonight of search dogs taken today "near Norwich." I will have to try to find where I saw it!

 

[OffRoadRunner]

From New Berlin on King Settlement Road, County Route 29, to Button Hollow Road, then down West Brook Road. West Branch Great Brook is on the right side of this road. I then went up Humphrey road up to Chenango Lake.

Yeah, all those are remote. Button Hollow Road can get muddy. Hunt's Pond State Park is close by there... just had a nighttime ice rescue on the pond. Bida Road is up there too... lost of places for sure!!

 

[momrids6]

I've seen no proof of this. It would also depend on the definition he's using for "investigator." If he means 30+ deputies from the Chenango County Sheriff's Department, then no, because they're aren't that many, as far as I know (per their website). If he means 30+ deputies from Chenango and surrounding counties, then it's possible.

I don't see a high police vehicle presence on the roads, and I drive around a lot for work. I saw one sheriff's vehicle today on Rte 80 heading south, and that's the first sheriff's car I've seen in a while. BUT, I think that's a good thing if it means the vehicles are dispatched on back roads through dense forest that people travel less frequently.

Imo- maybe 30 in the very first days only. There simply is too much crime and not enough LE for 30 to "Lay out" for this amount of time on a missing ( runaway according to husband) adult.
Probably counting the number of cops that have a copy of her info.


:seeya: Got your number buddy....

 

[Jilllian]

LE does their best, but there is power in numbers...and really a community helping is priceless. We can look back at the example by Whitney Heichel's church members, friends and family...they got out right away and found almost all the evidence...had they not, there never would have been that quick of an arrest and knowing what happened.

I would like the same for JR....please family and friends....don't stay silent...she needs you!

Very well said.
As a lover of my community and surrounding communities, I KNOW without a doubt that had that search not been cancelled this weekend, probably at least 200 people would have shown up.

Schools were going to donate snow shoes if needed. Several people volunteered publicly to provide food and drinks. A local residential setting was going to donate the use of walkie-talkies. A fire department offered the use of their firehouse free of charge ~ kitchen facilities, tables/chairs, etc., which would have been perfect to come back to warm up before going back out again, as it's very close to one of the areas we were going to search. The person who organized the use of the firehouse is a community member. Older people who aren't able to enter wooded areas for health/mobility issues asked what they could do. And the above things were offered within just ONE day.

I would beg the family to reconsider their stance on a public search.

 

[momrids6]

Why has public caring, compassion and consideration of a missing person been silenced by a control freak? Of course LE will discourage it- purely from a CYA safety/lawsuit issue. They cannot endorse it-or even lead it- due to the potentially dangerous terrain....

 

[Jilllian]

Definitely not off the top of my head! I think the resistance to help is just plain bizarre. I'm going to pick through some cases and see...

Question for those more familiar with Jennifer's family - have her mother and other relatives discouraged a search somewhere besides Facebook? We're not relying on her husband's page for info, right?

They didn't discourage the search until after GR posted his tirades against it. I've received messages from a couple of JR's friends, as well as a few of the family's friends (not just JR's). All of them wanted the search to continue.




Not sure if they're posting anywhere other than FB though.